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Njung'e
#1 Posted : Sunday, August 01, 2010 1:18:25 PM
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I borrow from GW's article on SN,

"To me, the more important issue is the fate of the active politicos on the ‘No’ side who will want to continue being on the stage.

Ask yourself this: Can a minister or assistant minister who has venomously opposed the coming constitution continue to operate in any official capacity under a new constitutional order he does not in his bones believe in?"
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Amir
#2 Posted : Sunday, August 01, 2010 1:31:56 PM
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Such a scenario should separate Men From Mboys!!!!

The Brave may not live forever - but the cautious do not live at all: Richard Branson
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masukuma
#3 Posted : Sunday, August 01, 2010 3:05:48 PM
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guka...because he like the rest of us who oppose it have a duty according to chapter 3 of the DAFT they will have a duty to...everyone will, not just them....will you bar them from being ministers and presidents in future because they said NO? what about the church leaders? do they become less kenyan?
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Defence of this Constitution
3. (1) Every person has an obligation to respect, uphold and defend this Constitution.


not the above is not conditional to your voting pattern.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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guru267
#4 Posted : Sunday, August 01, 2010 4:06:45 PM
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I'm pretty sure ruto will lose his job after all this... Simply because if was there when this draft constitution was being made and has been quoted as saying that this proposed constitution was good...
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Njung'e
#5 Posted : Sunday, August 01, 2010 7:01:56 PM
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masukuma wrote:
guka...because he like the rest of us who oppose it have a duty according to chapter 3 of the DAFT they will have a duty to...everyone will, not just them....will you bar them from being ministers and presidents in future because they said NO? what about the church leaders? do they become less kenyan?
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Defence of this Constitution
3. (1) Every person has an obligation to respect, uphold and defend this Constitution.


not the above is not conditional to your voting pattern.


@Masukuma,
If it is "DAFT" as you have put it disrespectfully,would your conscience allow you to sit in the government then?
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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simonkabz
#6 Posted : Sunday, August 01, 2010 9:28:00 PM
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Mathukuma is one rizon they shouldnt. Watchout, this dude may just kill himself come fifth. With all the bitterness he is harbouring, I really pity him.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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slammers
#7 Posted : Monday, August 02, 2010 7:33:20 AM
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i think there wil be a cabinet reshuffle just like in 2005
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Robinhood
#8 Posted : Monday, August 02, 2010 1:45:56 PM
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@All,

When an MP you did not vote for is elected, do you become MPless? Does not Kibs rule over the whole of Kenya even though a huge lot of people did not vote for him? Will this not be our guiding law (all of us including those who vote against it?) Surely a lot of us who do not like certain parts of the constitution will have to live with it. It is the way democracies work - you have to abide by the decisions of the majority. I sincerely hope that Ruto and co are not dismissed from cabinet once the constitution passes. He and his lot should only be fired if he unwilling to take the new oath of allegiance as stated in the new constitution.
Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
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funnyguy
#9 Posted : Monday, August 02, 2010 2:02:37 PM
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Robinhood wrote:
@All,

When am MP you did not vote for is elected, do you become MPless? Does not Kibs rule over the whole of Kenya even though a huge lot of people did not vote for him? Will this not be our guiding law (all of us including those who vote against it?) Surely a lot of us who do not like certain parts of the constitution will have to live with it. It is the way democracies work - you have to abide by the decisions of the majority. I sincerely hope that Ruto and co are not dismissed from cabinet once the constitution passes. He and his lot should only be fired if he unwilling to take the new oath of allegiance as stated in the new constitution.


Good point. Double standards have been the rule of the day. The ones who cried from the roof-tops about mis-use of government resouces to advance a political agenda now are the perpetrators of the same crime. We're all turning a blind eye because the constitution has changed since?

As I always say, beware of the poly-trician, he's full of poly tricks! Discern that.
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extrablessed
#10 Posted : Monday, August 02, 2010 2:15:25 PM
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In the unlikely event the YES carries the day, there is most likely to be a reshuffle to diffuse the tension. After all, prezzy has nothing to loose. He might implement the MP-less cabinet right away, appoint RAO the VP (and let him run the gova) and do away with the power-sharing thing....
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