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Tired of Kenya Power and Nairobi Water & Sewerage
mkristo
#21 Posted : Friday, July 10, 2009 5:51:00 AM
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@mukiha,

You could not have been so right.

I heard it on Classic News this morning,eactly the synopsis of what to expect from both NWSC and Ken-Gen/KPLC.


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VituVingiSana
#22 Posted : Friday, July 10, 2009 10:41:00 AM
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According to Business Daily (just saying... I am NOT saying they are right) water/rain harvesting is ILLEGAL in Nairobi... (Stupid you say? This is Africa)

Greedy when others are fearful,Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase WB
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#23 Posted : Friday, July 10, 2009 10:44:00 AM
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http://www.businessdaily.../-/u92qw8z/-/index.html ***BDA article in 10 July paper.

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Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Kaigangio
#24 Posted : Saturday, July 11, 2009 1:59:00 PM
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@ mukiha,

I think the small windmill is being used for very small scale power generation to power the radio and navigation equipment which normally don&rsquo;t require a lot of electricity. The installation location is also convenient to ensure minimal obstacles to the required winds.

As a by the way,Consider this: a windmill&rsquo;s electricity generation capacity is directly proportional to the product of (speed of the wind)3 and (diameter of windmill propeller)2. The following formular holds for all windmills,
Power,P = windmill constant (K) x (speed of the wind,V)3 x (diameter of windmill propeller,D)2.
In short P = K x V3 x D2.
The latest generation of windmills,using the most modern technologies and construction materials,with a propeller diameter of 100m and in a wind speed of 10m/s would generate about 1MW of power.

Case 1: If my household requirements is only 3kw,for a windmill in a wind of average speed of 10m/s,the propeller diameter would be 5.5m. This would be perfect considering the size of the windmill and the space it would occupy.

Case 2: Unfortunately Nairobi and the surrounding areas are not meteorologically advantaged because in any ordinary day the wind rarely blows beyond a speed of 2m/s. in this case then under the same windmill efficiency,for the 3kW power requirement to be met,I would need a windmill of propeller diameter of about 62m! The windmill tower alone would have to be more than 70m and the height of the entire mill would be more than 100m (taller than KICC building),and the base would cover about &frac14; of an acre.

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#25 Posted : Saturday, July 11, 2009 3:31:00 PM
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Total respect to you @gizzard. I live in a flat so I have neither a roof for the panels nor ground for the underground tank....
Evolve
#26 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 6:47:00 AM
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I am contemplating fixing a solar water heating panel in my house. I believe this will save my household substantially as most of the energy consumption is by the water heating system. What else should I consider to include as I plan for this investment and which is the best company to engage for this type of work? In my mind,I am thinking of using Davis & Shirtliff and having a power back-up (inverter + back-up baterries). Your ideas/suggestions will be most welcome on the most appropriate company and features of the system I should go for.


Pablo
#27 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 9:50:00 AM
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For a project I am evaluating,a 3kw system costs about 1.6M - 1.8M inclusive of batterypacks for continued nightime operation. This however utilises 24 x 130W pannels.

@kaigangio

Where are the 330W panels available from. The highest capacity panels Ive seen locally and in China are 250W?. There are also hybrid (wind-solar) systems available.


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mukiha
#28 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 10:34:00 AM
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The best day will be when KPLC introduces NET-METERS.

The you will be able to purchase solar panels plus an inverter (no batteries needed) and sell power back to KPLC at the prevailing retail price!!

With this system,you panels will generate power during the day (when there is no one in the house) and feed it back into the KPLC distribution lines. When that happens,your Net-Meter will run in reverse!!

WARNING: don't try that with an ordinary meter...it will run forward even if you are feeding it with power from your house!!!!

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Evolve
#29 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 11:27:00 AM
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@Mukiha

I would like to benefit from your knowledge on cutting costs on power. Please advise as I am contemplating fixing a solar water heating panel in my house. I believe this will save my household substantially as most of the energy consumption is by the water heating system. What else should I consider to include as I plan for this investment and which is the best company to engage for this type of work? In my mind,I am thinking of using Davis & Shirtliff and having a power back-up (inverter + back-up baterries). Your ideas/suggestions will be most welcome on the most appropriate company and features of the system I should go for.
Gordon Gekko
#30 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 1:48:00 PM
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@evolve,I disconnected my water heater and put instant heaters in both bathrooms. Where my neighbours are doing 7K in bills,I'm at 4.5K. An option as you wait to raise 1.6M
VituVingiSana
#31 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 7:39:00 PM
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I really enjoy this post & comments & thread... So much info... and the good stuff!

Greedy when others are fearful,Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase WB
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#32 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 7:51:00 PM
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I really enjoy this post & comments & thread... So much info... and the good stuff!

Greedy when others are fearful,Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase WB
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Kaigangio
#33 Posted : Tuesday, July 14, 2009 5:04:00 PM
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@ evolve,

you may get the information on domestic solar water heaters on this link: http://www.energysavers....index.cfm/mytopic=12850

as for the specialist firms which do these,may be you need to check with Volcanic Plumbers,Aquaplumbers,Allied plumbers,Davis & Shirtliff,Nelliwa Builders etc..

@ pablo,

the 330 watts solar panel is available here: http://www.schottsolar.c...20ASE%20300-DG%20US.pdf







NEVER TALK OF A RHINO IF THERE IS NO TREE NEAREBY - ZULU PROVERB
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The General
#34 Posted : Thursday, July 16, 2009 1:02:00 PM
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KPLC's fibre network deal stirs TV market

The thicker the thigh the sweeter the pie.
The thicker the thigh the sweeter the pie.
half_empty
#35 Posted : Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:03:00 PM
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better the devil we know&hellip; was skeptical when this discussion started out&hellip; its all in the math:- cost of solar &ndash; 1.1m; cost of wind &ndash; tower higher than kicc; unless economies of scale thru estate associations&hellip; doubtful coz even security payment is a problem leave alone contributing for a borehole&hellip;but I have done my bit&hellip; switched to instant shower,planted a few trees,etc&hellip;now looking for solar panel for tv and some lights&hellip; just concerned that panels are thief magnets
The General
#36 Posted : Monday, August 03, 2009 9:33:00 AM
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Kenya reaps the wind

The thicker the thigh the sweeter the pie.
The thicker the thigh the sweeter the pie.
Kaigangio
#37 Posted : Tuesday, August 04, 2009 11:00:00 AM
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Hi all,

i was digging through the KRAs customs tax schedules and found that all solar power generation equipment are zero-tax rated and are therefore not taxed...the zero-rating tax incentive for the solar power generation equipment was introduced in june 2006...i guess it is now cheaper to import the solar panels and the windmills. sourcing installation labour locally will make the overall installation cost much lower as compared to sourcing the materials and labour locally...


NEVER TALK OF A RHINO IF THERE IS NO TREE NEAREBY - ZULU PROVERB
...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
mwenza
#38 Posted : Tuesday, August 04, 2009 11:25:00 AM
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Its now official countrywide power-rationing starts on monday next week.............we r doomed

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#39 Posted : Tuesday, August 04, 2009 2:19:00 PM
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#40 Posted : Tuesday, August 04, 2009 2:19:00 PM
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And what was the purpose of constructing the 'wind generators' on NGONG HILLS?
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