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Kenya Airways...why ignore..
Ericsson
#15181 Posted : Thursday, April 08, 2021 12:24:05 PM
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They should just delist it.
9 months from now is January 2022 when elections campaign is what will be the agenda
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HaMaina
#15182 Posted : Monday, April 19, 2021 10:39:49 AM
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The Battle For Africa: Ethiopian Airlines vs Kenya Airways vs SAA
“You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
obiero
#15183 Posted : Monday, April 19, 2021 12:21:52 PM
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SAA died last year

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
ArrestedDev
#15184 Posted : Sunday, May 16, 2021 2:36:46 AM
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obiero wrote:


KQ is also dead by all standards. They will run out of money to fly very soon.
maka
#15185 Posted : Tuesday, May 18, 2021 3:27:59 AM
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ArrestedDev wrote:
obiero wrote:


KQ is also dead by all standards. They will run out of money to fly very soon.


A leaner better SAA is coming back shortly... If I am not wrong they have reduced their liabilities to around R3Bn... Watch them start over again and do well... KQ has totally refused to do the same... Why would they go down that road when GOK keeps giving them cash whenever they cry for it....
possunt quia posse videntur
maka
#15186 Posted : Tuesday, May 18, 2021 3:29:50 AM
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ArrestedDev wrote:
obiero wrote:


KQ is also dead by all standards. They will run out of money to fly very soon.


A leaner better SAA is coming back shortly... If I am not wrong they have reduced their liabilities to around R3Bn... Watch them start over again and do well... KQ has totally refused to do the same... Why would they go down that road when GOK keeps giving them cash whenever they cry for it....
possunt quia posse videntur
obiero
#15187 Posted : Wednesday, May 26, 2021 7:11:40 PM
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maka wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
obiero wrote:


KQ is also dead by all standards. They will run out of money to fly very soon.


A leaner better SAA is coming back shortly... If I am not wrong they have reduced their liabilities to around R3Bn... Watch them start over again and do well... KQ has totally refused to do the same... Why would they go down that road when GOK keeps giving them cash whenever they cry for it....

KQ settled for the path of least resistance. Kenyans politicized PIIP. You were there as I questioned Michael Joseph and you could tell his anguish

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
Ericsson
#15188 Posted : Thursday, May 27, 2021 1:25:48 PM
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KLM to begin bi-weekly flights between Mombasa and Amsterdam from October this year.

https://www.businessdail...-mombasa-flights-3415836
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HaMaina
#15189 Posted : Tuesday, June 08, 2021 2:18:16 PM
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Kenya Airways picks British firm for turnaround plans
“You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
Ericsson
#15190 Posted : Wednesday, June 09, 2021 7:40:07 AM
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Waste of time and resources or is it a way for someone to pocket their fee.
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VituVingiSana
#15191 Posted : Wednesday, June 09, 2021 2:46:24 PM
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Ericsson wrote:


Waste of time and resources or is it a way for someone to pocket their fee.
100%
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Gathige
#15192 Posted : Thursday, June 10, 2021 1:56:51 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:


Waste of time and resources or is it a way for someone to pocket their fee.
100%


Witchcraft is real
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ArrestedDev
#15193 Posted : Friday, June 11, 2021 3:58:47 PM
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Ericsson wrote:


Waste of time and resources or is it a way for someone to pocket their fee.



Exactly. The management is the biggest impediment followed closely by vested interests.

I said herein that Mckinsey was being paid for nothing. Zero outcome.

maka
#15194 Posted : Monday, June 14, 2021 2:27:30 PM
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ArrestedDev wrote:
Ericsson wrote:


Waste of time and resources or is it a way for someone to pocket their fee.



Exactly. The management is the biggest impediment followed closely by vested interests.

I said herein that Mckinsey was being paid for nothing. Zero outcome.



Btw McKinsey brought zero... Even those wave thing of theirs no one is using them and in any case most of the project leads have left the company...

The Polish 6 atleast helped with HOTAC they are the ones that came up with that thing for hotels to bid for pax weekly.

Ohhh one of McKinsey's project was changing those plastic pouches for unaccompanied minors from plastic to paper....That is the only thing I can see being operational.

possunt quia posse videntur
VituVingiSana
#15195 Posted : Monday, June 14, 2021 6:28:09 PM
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maka wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
Ericsson wrote:


Waste of time and resources or is it a way for someone to pocket their fee.



Exactly. The management is the biggest impediment followed closely by vested interests.

I said herein that Mckinsey was being paid for nothing. Zero outcome.



Btw McKinsey brought zero... Even those wave thing of theirs no one is using them and in any case most of the project leads have left the company...

The Polish 6 atleast helped with HOTAC they are the ones that came up with that thing for hotels to bid for pax weekly.

Ohhh one of McKinsey's project was changing those plastic pouches for unaccompanied minors from plastic to paper....That is the only thing I can see being operational.

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
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obiero
#15196 Posted : Monday, June 14, 2021 9:05:28 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
maka wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
Ericsson wrote:


Waste of time and resources or is it a way for someone to pocket their fee.



Exactly. The management is the biggest impediment followed closely by vested interests.

I said herein that Mckinsey was being paid for nothing. Zero outcome.



Btw McKinsey brought zero... Even those wave thing of theirs no one is using them and in any case most of the project leads have left the company...

The Polish 6 atleast helped with HOTAC they are the ones that came up with that thing for hotels to bid for pax weekly.

Ohhh one of McKinsey's project was changing those plastic pouches for unaccompanied minors from plastic to paper....That is the only thing I can see being operational.

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

The World Bank loan is in. We, the investors were ready to bail out KQ, but Kenyans decided to help us

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
Ericsson
#15197 Posted : Tuesday, June 15, 2021 7:59:36 AM
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https://www.businessdail...-sh24bn-kq-loans-3436606
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ArrestedDev
#15198 Posted : Wednesday, June 16, 2021 4:02:42 AM
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maka wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
Ericsson wrote:


Waste of time and resources or is it a way for someone to pocket their fee.



Exactly. The management is the biggest impediment followed closely by vested interests.

I said herein that Mckinsey was being paid for nothing. Zero outcome.



Btw McKinsey brought zero... Even those wave thing of theirs no one is using them and in any case most of the project leads have left the company...

The Polish 6 atleast helped with HOTAC they are the ones that came up with that thing for hotels to bid for pax weekly.

Ohhh one of McKinsey's project was changing those plastic pouches for unaccompanied minors from plastic to paper....That is the only thing I can see being operational.



Yeah, it is easy to tell even if you are an outsider. The 'holy' Ngunze was already celebrating the 'successful turnaround' under his watch. What a shameful thing it was? Very incompetent individual being placed at the top of a complex business. My observations regarding Ngunze at that point in time also applies to Mr. Allan Killavuka. He is a clueless stooge planted in KQ just to protect the vested interests. His failure to get the cargo business up to mark during the pandemic is a true testament of his inexperience and poor leadership skills.

Polish 6 had very specific airline experience which is always the pre-requisite to be an Airline Consultant. The same thing applies to the current CEO - he doesn't have the necessary aviation experience and won't listen to Managers with the same in KQ. It is therefore very hard for him to get the business out of the mess it is in.

If they cannot even deploy a B737 across Africa to ferry Cargo then where will they deploy a B787.

Steer Group doesn't have any aviation related experience. The recommendations they will provide to KQ include;

1. Fleet reduction
2. Staff redundancy
3. Network reduction
4. Outsourcing of core operations including maintenance of planes


With the above in mind, this Airline will never compete at all. Court fights with staff will be the order of the day.

Just mark this post, it will come to pass. What KQ requires is an effective leadership.
Ericsson
#15199 Posted : Wednesday, June 16, 2021 7:07:35 AM
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ArrestedDev wrote:
maka wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
Ericsson wrote:


Waste of time and resources or is it a way for someone to pocket their fee.



Exactly. The management is the biggest impediment followed closely by vested interests.

I said herein that Mckinsey was being paid for nothing. Zero outcome.



Btw McKinsey brought zero... Even those wave thing of theirs no one is using them and in any case most of the project leads have left the company...

The Polish 6 atleast helped with HOTAC they are the ones that came up with that thing for hotels to bid for pax weekly.

Ohhh one of McKinsey's project was changing those plastic pouches for unaccompanied minors from plastic to paper....That is the only thing I can see being operational.



Yeah, it is easy to tell even if you are an outsider. The 'holy' Ngunze was already celebrating the 'successful turnaround' under his watch. What a shameful thing it was? Very incompetent individual being placed at the top of a complex business. My observations regarding Ngunze at that point in time also applies to Mr. Allan Killavuka. He is a clueless stooge planted in KQ just to protect the vested interests. His failure to get the cargo business up to mark during the pandemic is a true testament of his inexperience and poor leadership skills.

Polish 6 had very specific airline experience which is always the pre-requisite to be an Airline Consultant. The same thing applies to the current CEO - he doesn't have the necessary aviation experience and won't listen to Managers with the same in KQ. It is therefore very hard for him to get the business out of the mess it is in.

If they cannot even deploy a B737 across Africa to ferry Cargo then where will they deploy a B787.

Steer Group doesn't have any aviation related experience. The recommendations they will provide to KQ include;

1. Fleet reduction
2. Staff redundancy
3. Network reduction
4. Outsourcing of core operations including maintenance of planes


With the above in mind, this Airline will never compete at all. Court fights with staff will be the order of the day.

Just mark this post, it will come to pass. What KQ requires is an effective leadership.


What you have said is true.
Effective leadership starts from the top which is the appointing authority
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
muandiwambeu
#15200 Posted : Wednesday, June 16, 2021 6:14:24 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
maka wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
Ericsson wrote:


Waste of time and resources or is it a way for someone to pocket their fee.



Exactly. The management is the biggest impediment followed closely by vested interests.

I said herein that Mckinsey was being paid for nothing. Zero outcome.



Btw McKinsey brought zero... Even those wave thing of theirs no one is using them and in any case most of the project leads have left the company...

The Polish 6 atleast helped with HOTAC they are the ones that came up with that thing for hotels to bid for pax weekly.

Ohhh one of McKinsey's project was changing those plastic pouches for unaccompanied minors from plastic to paper....That is the only thing I can see being operational.



Yeah, it is easy to tell even if you are an outsider. The 'holy' Ngunze was already celebrating the 'successful turnaround' under his watch. What a shameful thing it was? Very incompetent individual being placed at the top of a complex business. My observations regarding Ngunze at that point in time also applies to Mr. Allan Killavuka. He is a clueless stooge planted in KQ just to protect the vested interests. His failure to get the cargo business up to mark during the pandemic is a true testament of his inexperience and poor leadership skills.

Polish 6 had very specific airline experience which is always the pre-requisite to be an Airline Consultant. The same thing applies to the current CEO - he doesn't have the necessary aviation experience and won't listen to Managers with the same in KQ. It is therefore very hard for him to get the business out of the mess it is in.

If they cannot even deploy a B737 across Africa to ferry Cargo then where will they deploy a B787.

Steer Group doesn't have any aviation related experience. The recommendations they will provide to KQ include;

1. Fleet reduction
2. Staff redundancy
3. Network reduction
4. Outsourcing of core operations including maintenance of planes


With the above in mind, this Airline will never compete at all. Court fights with staff will be the order of the day.

Just mark this post, it will come to pass. What KQ requires is an effective leadership.


What you have said is true.
Effective leadership starts from the top which is the appointing authority

d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!
Thought this thread has been revived to summon the dead spirits of dead kqueer not to enter the heart of the, to be reborn Phoenix airline or may be a memorial event in cerebration of dead and quiet kqueer.At times, the death of evil spirits need be celebrated too saving the haunted the trouble of appeasing themLaughing out loudly .
The so so so slowly dying kqueer will have even bones, hair, nails save for the usual soul and fresh death dead, and even consume the asses for a proper death to be realistic. Even the new airline may have nowhere to to sprout from after kqueer.
Very troubling indeed.
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
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