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Ericsson wrote:Superprime1 wrote:maka wrote:maka wrote:A South African power company has given former Kenya Airways chief executive Mbuvi Ngunze a plum board position.
Mr Ngunze will chair Mettle Solar Investments, which provides energy solutions to its pool of clients across Africa, and will see him steer the firm’s continental growth ambitions.
He left Kenya Airways in 2017 after backlash from labour unions for the poor performance of the airline, which had sunk into heavy losses, largely seen as an impact of poor decisions by previous management.
He has since been appointed as a senior adviser with Catalyst Principal Partners.
In a statement last week, Gridworks, the firm which appointed Ngunze to the board after making an investment in Mettle, said the company plans to grow its presence in Africa where it has projects in just a handful of countries.
Btw Interim CEO to be announced in a few. Allan Kilavuka... Allan Kilavuka, currently the Chief Executive Officer of Kenya Airways’ subsidiary Jambojet Limited, has been appointed as acting KQ Plc CEO effective January 1, 2020, until a substantive holder of the position is recruited. He will remain Jambojet CEO too during the period. https://twitter.com/trad...469749825245185/photo/1
KQ @ Ksh 2.00 staring at < Ksh 2.00 . Still watching & waiting. “You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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HaMaina wrote:Ericsson wrote:Superprime1 wrote:maka wrote:maka wrote:A South African power company has given former Kenya Airways chief executive Mbuvi Ngunze a plum board position.
Mr Ngunze will chair Mettle Solar Investments, which provides energy solutions to its pool of clients across Africa, and will see him steer the firm’s continental growth ambitions.
He left Kenya Airways in 2017 after backlash from labour unions for the poor performance of the airline, which had sunk into heavy losses, largely seen as an impact of poor decisions by previous management.
He has since been appointed as a senior adviser with Catalyst Principal Partners.
In a statement last week, Gridworks, the firm which appointed Ngunze to the board after making an investment in Mettle, said the company plans to grow its presence in Africa where it has projects in just a handful of countries.
Btw Interim CEO to be announced in a few. Allan Kilavuka... Allan Kilavuka, currently the Chief Executive Officer of Kenya Airways’ subsidiary Jambojet Limited, has been appointed as acting KQ Plc CEO effective January 1, 2020, until a substantive holder of the position is recruited. He will remain Jambojet CEO too during the period. https://twitter.com/trad...469749825245185/photo/1
KQ @ Ksh 2.00 staring at < Ksh 2.00 . Still watching & waiting. This is beyond sad..... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,901
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maka wrote:HaMaina wrote:Ericsson wrote:Superprime1 wrote:maka wrote:maka wrote:A South African power company has given former Kenya Airways chief executive Mbuvi Ngunze a plum board position.
Mr Ngunze will chair Mettle Solar Investments, which provides energy solutions to its pool of clients across Africa, and will see him steer the firm’s continental growth ambitions.
He left Kenya Airways in 2017 after backlash from labour unions for the poor performance of the airline, which had sunk into heavy losses, largely seen as an impact of poor decisions by previous management.
He has since been appointed as a senior adviser with Catalyst Principal Partners.
In a statement last week, Gridworks, the firm which appointed Ngunze to the board after making an investment in Mettle, said the company plans to grow its presence in Africa where it has projects in just a handful of countries.
Btw Interim CEO to be announced in a few. Allan Kilavuka... Allan Kilavuka, currently the Chief Executive Officer of Kenya Airways’ subsidiary Jambojet Limited, has been appointed as acting KQ Plc CEO effective January 1, 2020, until a substantive holder of the position is recruited. He will remain Jambojet CEO too during the period. https://twitter.com/trad...469749825245185/photo/1
KQ @ Ksh 2.00 staring at < Ksh 2.00 . Still watching & waiting. This is beyond sad..... @Maka et all, any comment on new CEO (Acting). Any hope? In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/28/2015 Posts: 1,247
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[quote=maka]https://mybroadband.co.za/news/government/330889-the-plan-to-merge-saa-with-ethiopian-airlines.html KQ is going to be obliterated at this rate... [/quobote] Paraphrasing @Maka,somebody is set to be obritariated eying the proverbial goose aka kqueer to lay the golden egg. 2/4=0.5/= and am not bemused at all. ,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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Quote:Allan Kilavuka, CEO Jambojet: We are not always right but we strive to do the right thing
By Soko Directory Team / June 3, 2019 | 10:21 am
Mr. Allan Kilavuka, an Accountant as well as a Psychologist by profession has been at the helm of Jambojet for just six months but has a great vision for the airline.
Before joining Jambojet, he worked with General Electric for 14 years.
“Before that, I was a practicing accountant at Deloitte. I was in Deloitte for 10 years,” he says.
In your opinion, what is the biggest threat to the aviation industry?
“The biggest threat to the aviation industry is the aviation industry.
The industry is very highly regulated, though for good reasons.
But sometimes that gets into our way of being innovative.
We are not given a lot of freedom to think outside our confines.”
Parting shot?
“As Jambojet, we are proud that being the pioneers of the low-cost airline, we have had to transport more than 3,000,000 people, with 30 percent of our travelers being first-time travelers which means that we have made it possible for people who never dreamt of flying to fly.
The new products that we are trying to conceive, we believe, will change the industry even more.
We want to be a global leader.
(He reaches out for an award).
This is an award we got this year. We got this from Bombardier. This is the most reliable airline in the Q 400 series. Source Link: https://sokodirectory.co...n-kilavuka-ceo-jambojet/
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Angelica _ann wrote:maka wrote:HaMaina wrote:Ericsson wrote:Superprime1 wrote:maka wrote:maka wrote:A South African power company has given former Kenya Airways chief executive Mbuvi Ngunze a plum board position.
Mr Ngunze will chair Mettle Solar Investments, which provides energy solutions to its pool of clients across Africa, and will see him steer the firm’s continental growth ambitions.
He left Kenya Airways in 2017 after backlash from labour unions for the poor performance of the airline, which had sunk into heavy losses, largely seen as an impact of poor decisions by previous management.
He has since been appointed as a senior adviser with Catalyst Principal Partners.
In a statement last week, Gridworks, the firm which appointed Ngunze to the board after making an investment in Mettle, said the company plans to grow its presence in Africa where it has projects in just a handful of countries.
Btw Interim CEO to be announced in a few. Allan Kilavuka... Allan Kilavuka, currently the Chief Executive Officer of Kenya Airways’ subsidiary Jambojet Limited, has been appointed as acting KQ Plc CEO effective January 1, 2020, until a substantive holder of the position is recruited. He will remain Jambojet CEO too during the period. https://twitter.com/trad...469749825245185/photo/1
KQ @ Ksh 2.00 staring at < Ksh 2.00 . Still watching & waiting. This is beyond sad..... @Maka et all, any comment on new CEO (Acting). Any hope? Even the best CEO in the world can do very little to save KQ... I said it before the company is in tatters... Kwanza sahi kuna very serious cashflow problems ni Mungu tu.... 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾 possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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maka wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:maka wrote:HaMaina wrote:Ericsson wrote:Superprime1 wrote:maka wrote:maka wrote:A South African power company has given former Kenya Airways chief executive Mbuvi Ngunze a plum board position.
Mr Ngunze will chair Mettle Solar Investments, which provides energy solutions to its pool of clients across Africa, and will see him steer the firm’s continental growth ambitions.
He left Kenya Airways in 2017 after backlash from labour unions for the poor performance of the airline, which had sunk into heavy losses, largely seen as an impact of poor decisions by previous management.
He has since been appointed as a senior adviser with Catalyst Principal Partners.
In a statement last week, Gridworks, the firm which appointed Ngunze to the board after making an investment in Mettle, said the company plans to grow its presence in Africa where it has projects in just a handful of countries.
Btw Interim CEO to be announced in a few. Allan Kilavuka... Allan Kilavuka, currently the Chief Executive Officer of Kenya Airways’ subsidiary Jambojet Limited, has been appointed as acting KQ Plc CEO effective January 1, 2020, until a substantive holder of the position is recruited. He will remain Jambojet CEO too during the period. https://twitter.com/trad...469749825245185/photo/1
KQ @ Ksh 2.00 staring at < Ksh 2.00 . Still watching & waiting. This is beyond sad..... @Maka et all, any comment on new CEO (Acting). Any hope? Even the best CEO in the world can do very little to save KQ... I said it before the company is in tatters... Kwanza sahi kuna very serious cashflow problems ni Mungu tu.... 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾  Tatters indeed.... 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤐😭 possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,639 Location: NAIROBI
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Obiero has gone to hibernation Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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maka wrote:maka wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:maka wrote:HaMaina wrote:Ericsson wrote:Superprime1 wrote:maka wrote:maka wrote:A South African power company has given former Kenya Airways chief executive Mbuvi Ngunze a plum board position.
Mr Ngunze will chair Mettle Solar Investments, which provides energy solutions to its pool of clients across Africa, and will see him steer the firm’s continental growth ambitions.
He left Kenya Airways in 2017 after backlash from labour unions for the poor performance of the airline, which had sunk into heavy losses, largely seen as an impact of poor decisions by previous management.
He has since been appointed as a senior adviser with Catalyst Principal Partners.
In a statement last week, Gridworks, the firm which appointed Ngunze to the board after making an investment in Mettle, said the company plans to grow its presence in Africa where it has projects in just a handful of countries.
Btw Interim CEO to be announced in a few. Allan Kilavuka... Allan Kilavuka, currently the Chief Executive Officer of Kenya Airways’ subsidiary Jambojet Limited, has been appointed as acting KQ Plc CEO effective January 1, 2020, until a substantive holder of the position is recruited. He will remain Jambojet CEO too during the period. https://twitter.com/trad...469749825245185/photo/1
KQ @ Ksh 2.00 staring at < Ksh 2.00 . Still watching & waiting. This is beyond sad..... @Maka et all, any comment on new CEO (Acting). Any hope? Even the best CEO in the world can do very little to save KQ... I said it before the company is in tatters... Kwanza sahi kuna very serious cashflow problems ni Mungu tu.... 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾 Tatters indeed.... 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤐😭 Mikosz knew the reason why he decided to bolt out. The interim CEO have no concrete aviation background at all. He has just been appointed to hold brief for the masters. The best bet could have been the Suspended CFO, the other guy who initially acted as CFO but went back to Cargo or any other strong Manager within KQ with enough understanding of how this business operates. Allan Kilavuka is just like Ngunze when he was appointed in 2011. I am very sure he will be confirmed as the substantive CEO. The masters does not care whether the Company reports a profit or not but only ensures the loans are serviced/their supplies are paid for.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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ArrestedDev wrote:maka wrote:maka wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:maka wrote:HaMaina wrote:Ericsson wrote:Superprime1 wrote:maka wrote:maka wrote:A South African power company has given former Kenya Airways chief executive Mbuvi Ngunze a plum board position.
Mr Ngunze will chair Mettle Solar Investments, which provides energy solutions to its pool of clients across Africa, and will see him steer the firm’s continental growth ambitions.
He left Kenya Airways in 2017 after backlash from labour unions for the poor performance of the airline, which had sunk into heavy losses, largely seen as an impact of poor decisions by previous management.
He has since been appointed as a senior adviser with Catalyst Principal Partners.
In a statement last week, Gridworks, the firm which appointed Ngunze to the board after making an investment in Mettle, said the company plans to grow its presence in Africa where it has projects in just a handful of countries.
Btw Interim CEO to be announced in a few. Allan Kilavuka... Allan Kilavuka, currently the Chief Executive Officer of Kenya Airways’ subsidiary Jambojet Limited, has been appointed as acting KQ Plc CEO effective January 1, 2020, until a substantive holder of the position is recruited. He will remain Jambojet CEO too during the period. https://twitter.com/trad...469749825245185/photo/1
KQ @ Ksh 2.00 staring at < Ksh 2.00 . Still watching & waiting. This is beyond sad..... @Maka et all, any comment on new CEO (Acting). Any hope? Even the best CEO in the world can do very little to save KQ... I said it before the company is in tatters... Kwanza sahi kuna very serious cashflow problems ni Mungu tu.... 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾 Tatters indeed.... 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤐😭 Mikosz knew the reason why he decided to bolt out. The interim CEO have no concrete aviation background at all. He has just been appointed to hold brief for the masters. The best bet could have been the Suspended CFO, the other guy who initially acted as CFO but went back to Cargo or any other strong Manager within KQ with enough understanding of how this business operates. Allan Kilavuka is just like Ngunze when he was appointed in 2011. I am very sure he will be confirmed as the substantive CEO. The masters does not care whether the Company reports a profit or not but only ensures the loans are serviced/their supplies are paid for. Ummh I repeat... Opening NYC was the dumbest idea... That route is bleeding the company dry.... Achana na hii PR kelele mingi ati breakeven it's bad bad... They should hv consolidated existing routes... CT and Joburg should hv more frequencies... Shorter flying time the tickets are nicely priced and demand is huge.... Qatar is making inroads on major african routes... Saw the other day they started Gaborone... KQ will die a slow painful death...I think it's Obiero I was telling almost every week I attend a party for someone exiting... One week on a Friday there were 6 different parties.. Attrition is real... In a few years time I doubt it will be in existence... Well unless govt expedites the takeover.... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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maka wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:maka wrote:maka wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:maka wrote:HaMaina wrote:Ericsson wrote:Superprime1 wrote:maka wrote:maka wrote:A South African power company has given former Kenya Airways chief executive Mbuvi Ngunze a plum board position.
Mr Ngunze will chair Mettle Solar Investments, which provides energy solutions to its pool of clients across Africa, and will see him steer the firm’s continental growth ambitions.
He left Kenya Airways in 2017 after backlash from labour unions for the poor performance of the airline, which had sunk into heavy losses, largely seen as an impact of poor decisions by previous management.
He has since been appointed as a senior adviser with Catalyst Principal Partners.
In a statement last week, Gridworks, the firm which appointed Ngunze to the board after making an investment in Mettle, said the company plans to grow its presence in Africa where it has projects in just a handful of countries.
Btw Interim CEO to be announced in a few. Allan Kilavuka... Allan Kilavuka, currently the Chief Executive Officer of Kenya Airways’ subsidiary Jambojet Limited, has been appointed as acting KQ Plc CEO effective January 1, 2020, until a substantive holder of the position is recruited. He will remain Jambojet CEO too during the period. https://twitter.com/trad...469749825245185/photo/1
KQ @ Ksh 2.00 staring at < Ksh 2.00 . Still watching & waiting. This is beyond sad..... @Maka et all, any comment on new CEO (Acting). Any hope? Even the best CEO in the world can do very little to save KQ... I said it before the company is in tatters... Kwanza sahi kuna very serious cashflow problems ni Mungu tu.... 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾 Tatters indeed.... 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤐😭 Mikosz knew the reason why he decided to bolt out. The interim CEO have no concrete aviation background at all. He has just been appointed to hold brief for the masters. The best bet could have been the Suspended CFO, the other guy who initially acted as CFO but went back to Cargo or any other strong Manager within KQ with enough understanding of how this business operates. Allan Kilavuka is just like Ngunze when he was appointed in 2011. I am very sure he will be confirmed as the substantive CEO. The masters does not care whether the Company reports a profit or not but only ensures the loans are serviced/their supplies are paid for. Ummh I repeat... Opening NYC was the dumbest idea... That route is bleeding the company dry.... Achana na hii PR kelele mingi ati breakeven it's bad bad... They should hv consolidated existing routes... CT and Joburg should hv more frequencies... Shorter flying time the tickets are nicely priced and demand is huge.... Qatar is making inroads on major african routes... Saw the other day they started Gaborone... KQ will die a slow painful death...I think it's Obiero I was telling almost every week I attend a party for someone exiting... One week on a Friday there were 6 different parties.. Attrition is real... In a few years time I doubt it will be in existence... Well unless govt expedites the takeover.... They will have to suspend the route soon or later. The bright fellows who know/ can tell the Company is on its death bed will bolt out to save their careers.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/18/2019 Posts: 185 Location: kenya
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@Obiero is still expecting GoK to buy him out at Kshs 8.25 per share. Madness is what we call it.
@maka is it that many of the tickets to/from NYC are discounted? I have come across some ridiculously cheap tickets especially for peeps originating from JFK.
Also why has this nationalisation process not begun? The way MJ has been speaking they need it asap
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,475 Location: nairobi
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nairobby wrote:@Obiero is still expecting GoK to buy him out at Kshs 8.25 per share. Madness is what we call it.
@maka is it that many of the tickets to/from NYC are discounted? I have come across some ridiculously cheap tickets especially for peeps originating from JFK.
Also why has this nationalisation process not begun? The way MJ has been speaking they need it asap Method to the madness.. We will be bought out at fair value alongside KQLC, KLM, KQ ESOP.. Relax
HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/20/2015 Posts: 2,811 Location: Mombasa
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obiero wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:Spikes wrote:KQ is about to crash 2.20 KES support and is mostly destined to sub 2 bob for @obiero to load more lowering his ass pricking average now at 8.42 KES to a more psychological soothing level of KES 5 or below.
Go get armoured jacket before @Obiero see this.☠️🤺 To wallow with pigs is not Godly. Rise above pettiness without surrender. Blessed new month Paper loss widens as KQ stock falls below 2 bob . I urge @obiero to take up this opportunity and load more to bring average cost down. Jump in @obiero again and again! What a f#ck are you waiting for?  John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi
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Lest we forget; this was posted in 2010. Properly predicted the declining fortunes of KQ. Well done, @ProverB ProverB wrote: For the year ended 31st March 2010, Kenya Airways Ltd recorded Total revenue of Kshs 70,743,000,000.00, and the company’s Operating Profit amounted to Kshs 1,839,000,000.00 Operating margin = (Operating Profit /Revenues) x 100. = (1,839,000,000.00 / 70,743,000,000.00) x 100 = 2.6% Out of every Kshs1.00 Kenya Airways collected as revenue in the year, it retained only Kshs 0.03, as operating profit after paying for the operational expenses incurred in getting that Kshs 1.00 It is out of that 3Cents that Kenya Airways is to pay out financial costs as well as taxes and the balance retained as profits for share holders. Should we choose to focus only on the company’s core business operations, Kenya Airways operational performance for the just ended period is rather dismal compared to the previous periods  For 2010, Kenya Airways had an operating margin of 2.6% For 2009, the operating margin was 5.6% For 2008, the operating margin was 11.6% For 2007, the operating margin was 13.1% Declining operating margins over time should be a warning sign to any investor.  On average, out of every kshs1 in revenues that Kenya Airways collects annually, it has overtime paid more and more in operational costs. It could imply that the c ompany is having difficulty in bringing in revenues considering that it registered slightly declined revenues compared to the previous year, or that the management is facing increasing challenges in improving the company’s Operational Efficiency. The 54.5% decline in Operating Profits might explain why despite reporting 148% improvement in earnings, the share registered a 8% decline in trading price as soon as results were published. A lot is learnt by observing Operating profits trend over time, but it should not be the only factor one considers when planning whether or not the Kenya Airways shares are a viable investment.  Ceteris paribus.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,055 Location: Nairobi
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Spikes wrote:obiero wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:Spikes wrote:KQ is about to crash 2.20 KES support and is mostly destined to sub 2 bob for @obiero to load more lowering his ass pricking average now at 8.42 KES to a more psychological soothing level of KES 5 or below.
Go get armoured jacket before @Obiero see this.☠️🤺 To wallow with pigs is not Godly. Rise above pettiness without surrender. Blessed new month Paper loss widens as KQ stock falls below 2 bob . I urge @obiero to take up this opportunity and load more to bring average cost down. Jump in @obiero again and again! What a f#ck are you waiting for?  Buy, @Obiero, Buy! Buy every KQ share you can at 2/- and prove the naysayers wrong. Borrow from your family and friends. Sell all your other assets. Take the cash and BUY more KQ.  Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,055 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:nairobby wrote:@Obiero is still expecting GoK to buy him out at Kshs 8.25 per share. Madness is what we call it.
@maka is it that many of the tickets to/from NYC are discounted? I have come across some ridiculously cheap tickets especially for peeps originating from JFK.
Also why has this nationalisation process not begun? The way MJ has been speaking they need it asap Method to the madness.. We will be bought out at fair value alongside KQLC, KLM, KQ ESOP.. Relax Applause Applause Applause Buy, @Obiero, Buy! Buy every KQ share you can at 2/- and prove the naysayers wrong. Borrow from your family and friends. Sell all your other assets. Take the cash and BUY more KQ. Laughing out loudly Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/30/2007 Posts: 1,558 Location: Nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:nairobby wrote:@Obiero is still expecting GoK to buy him out at Kshs 8.25 per share. Madness is what we call it.
@maka is it that many of the tickets to/from NYC are discounted? I have come across some ridiculously cheap tickets especially for peeps originating from JFK.
Also why has this nationalisation process not begun? The way MJ has been speaking they need it asap Method to the madness.. We will be bought out at fair value alongside KQLC, KLM, KQ ESOP.. Relax Applause Applause Applause Buy, @Obiero, Buy! Buy every KQ share you can at 2/- and prove the naysayers wrong. Borrow from your family and friends. Sell all your other assets. Take the cash and BUY more KQ. Laughing out loudly This Obiero-bashing has become pretty boring VVS. May I suggest a new year, a new hobby?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/4/2016 Posts: 1,996 Location: Kitale
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Horton wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:nairobby wrote:@Obiero is still expecting GoK to buy him out at Kshs 8.25 per share. Madness is what we call it.
@maka is it that many of the tickets to/from NYC are discounted? I have come across some ridiculously cheap tickets especially for peeps originating from JFK.
Also why has this nationalisation process not begun? The way MJ has been speaking they need it asap Method to the madness.. We will be bought out at fair value alongside KQLC, KLM, KQ ESOP.. Relax Applause Applause Applause Buy, @Obiero, Buy! Buy every KQ share you can at 2/- and prove the naysayers wrong. Borrow from your family and friends. Sell all your other assets. Take the cash and BUY more KQ. Laughing out loudly This Obiero-bashing has become pretty boring VVS. May I suggest a new year, a new hobby? The two guys know how to play out between themselves.When I joined wazua I found the bashing going on.And they represent two sides of wazua coin.One is a long-term investor and the other is a middle term speculator. Towards the goal of financial freedom
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