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obiero
#13141 Posted : Monday, July 08, 2019 10:00:49 AM
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Posts: 13,475
Location: nairobi
maka wrote:
I am sorry to say but this company is dead(er)... If there is such a word... Wanton stealing esp from engineering has been reported... The lady in charge of Supply Chain had her car tires slashed...

And Kenyans think that nationalization shall make everything better?

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
Ericsson
#13142 Posted : Monday, July 08, 2019 10:44:14 AM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,639
Location: NAIROBI
obiero wrote:
maka wrote:
I am sorry to say but this company is dead(er)... If there is such a word... Wanton stealing esp from engineering has been reported... The lady in charge of Supply Chain had her car tires slashed...

And Kenyans think that nationalization shall make everything better?

Same as PIIP won't make everything better
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
muandiwambeu
#13143 Posted : Monday, July 08, 2019 11:01:30 AM
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Joined: 8/28/2015
Posts: 1,247
the deal wrote:
KES 8.70 is the minimum GoK should bid...never mind the MP he doesn't know much capital markets...

Investors, MUST , pay OFF kq debts, not taxpayers MPs, very ungreedy,,,Drool Drool back page DN July, 8th.!!!!!¿¿¿ How now!
@obiero, pliiiz elaborate, I have seen you do better explaining before.
Are you ready to liquidate kq, sell assets and get the balance off thereafter¿¿¿
Chilling it is, I swagger.
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
obiero
#13144 Posted : Monday, July 08, 2019 12:09:56 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,475
Location: nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
maka wrote:
I am sorry to say but this company is dead(er)... If there is such a word... Wanton stealing esp from engineering has been reported... The lady in charge of Supply Chain had her car tires slashed...

And Kenyans think that nationalization shall make everything better?

Same as PIIP won't make everything better

The PIIP wouldn't involve settlement of the KQLC debt to equity conversion by taxpayers. At this rate, its better to let the bloody thing collapse!

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
Impunity
#13145 Posted : Monday, July 08, 2019 12:59:27 PM
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Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,325
Location: Masada
maka wrote:
I am sorry to say but this company is dead(er)... If there is such a word... Wanton stealing esp from engineering has been reported... The lady in charge of Supply Chain had her car tires slashed...


Car tired slashed by management or who?
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

Impunity
#13146 Posted : Monday, July 08, 2019 1:01:03 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,325
Location: Masada
obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
maka wrote:
I am sorry to say but this company is dead(er)... If there is such a word... Wanton stealing esp from engineering has been reported... The lady in charge of Supply Chain had her car tires slashed...

And Kenyans think that nationalization shall make everything better?

Same as PIIP won't make everything better

The PIIP wouldn't involve settlement of the KQLC debt to equity conversion by taxpayers. At this rate, its better to let the bloody thing collapse!



You are throwing the towel finally....phew!!!
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

sparkly
#13147 Posted : Monday, July 08, 2019 1:43:05 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
muandiwambeu wrote:
the deal wrote:
KES 8.70 is the minimum GoK should bid...never mind the MP he doesn't know much capital markets...

Investors, MUST , pay OFF kq debts, not taxpayers MPs, very ungreedy,,,Drool Drool back page DN July, 8th.!!!!!¿¿¿ How now!
@obiero, pliiiz elaborate, I have seen you do better explaining before.
Are you ready to liquidate kq, sell assets and get the balance off thereafter¿¿¿
Chilling it is, I swagger.


1. Which investors are the MPs referring to?

2. The investors in KQ are:
a) Taxpayers through GOK;
b) KQLC;
C) KLM;
d) @Obeiro and others

3). @Obiero, KLM and KQLC are limited shared holders. They cant be called upon to contribute more to the company's debts.

4). Taxpayers, through Treasury gave guarantees for American Exim Bank loans as well as the local bank debts. Taxpayers have to foot the bill if KQ defaults.

If MPs are saying that KQLC ranks pari passu with other common equity holders, that is another story.
Life is short. Live passionately.
VituVingiSana
#13148 Posted : Monday, July 08, 2019 1:58:22 PM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,056
Location: Nairobi
How to get more out of a Dead Horse

Buying a stronger whip.
Changing riders.
Say things like, "This is the way we have always ridden this horse."
Appointing a committee to study the horse.
Arranging to visit other sites to see how they ride dead horses.
Increasing the standards to ride dead horses.
Appointing a tiger team to revive the dead horse.
Creating a training session to increase our riding ability.
Comparing the state of dead horses in today's environment.
Change the requirements declaring that "This horse is not dead."
Hire contractors to ride the dead horse.
Harnessing several dead horses together for increased speed.
Declaring that "No horse is too dead to beat."
Providing additional funding to increase the horse's performance.
Do a Cost Analysis study to see if contractors can ride it cheaper.
Purchase a product to make dead horses run faster.
Declare the horse is "better, faster and cheaper" dead.
Form a quality circle to find uses for dead horses.
Revisit the performance requirements for horses.
Say this horse was procured with cost as an independent variable.
Promote the dead horse to a supervisory position.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
ArrestedDev
#13149 Posted : Monday, July 08, 2019 2:28:34 PM
Rank: Member


Joined: 5/29/2016
Posts: 898
Location: Nairobi
maka wrote:
I am sorry to say but this company is dead(er)... If there is such a word... Wanton stealing esp from engineering has been reported... The lady in charge of Supply Chain had her car tires slashed...


Hi @maka, Is this a new scandal that has come to light? Tyres slashed by who?
sparkly
#13150 Posted : Monday, July 08, 2019 3:53:32 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
How to get more out of a Dead Horse

Buying a stronger whip.
Changing riders.
Say things like, "This is the way we have always ridden this horse."
Appointing a committee to study the horse.
Arranging to visit other sites to see how they ride dead horses.
Increasing the standards to ride dead horses.
Appointing a tiger team to revive the dead horse.
Creating a training session to increase our riding ability.
Comparing the state of dead horses in today's environment.
Change the requirements declaring that "This horse is not dead."
Hire contractors to ride the dead horse.
Harnessing several dead horses together for increased speed.
Declaring that "No horse is too dead to beat."
Providing additional funding to increase the horse's performance.
Do a Cost Analysis study to see if contractors can ride it cheaper.
Purchase a product to make dead horses run faster.
Declare the horse is "better, faster and cheaper" dead.
Form a quality circle to find uses for dead horses.
Revisit the performance requirements for horses.
Say this horse was procured with cost as an independent variable.
Promote the dead horse to a supervisory position.



The horse will resurrect and win the race. Thank me later.
Life is short. Live passionately.
muandiwambeu
#13151 Posted : Monday, July 08, 2019 4:47:42 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 8/28/2015
Posts: 1,247
sparkly wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
the deal wrote:
KES 8.70 is the minimum GoK should bid...never mind the MP he doesn't know much capital markets...

Investors, MUST , pay OFF kq debts, not taxpayers MPs, very ungreedy,,,Drool Drool back page DN July, 8th.!!!!!¿¿¿ How now!
@obiero, pliiiz elaborate, I have seen you do better explaining before.
Are you ready to liquidate kq, sell assets and get the balance off thereafter¿¿¿
Chilling it is, I swagger.


1. Which investors are the MPs referring to?

2. The investors in KQ are:
a) Taxpayers through GOK;
b) KQLC;
C) KLM;
d) @Obeiro and others

3). @Obiero, KLM and KQLC are limited shared holders. They cant be called upon to contribute more to the company's debts.

4). Taxpayers, through Treasury gave guarantees for American Exim Bank loans as well as the local bank debts. Taxpayers have to foot the bill if KQ defaults.

If MPs are saying that KQLC ranks pari passu with other common equity holders, that is another story.

Hypothetical scenario for you to ponder is
1. The birds were escarowed, for easy recovery if payments were not forth coming, so the seller is paid 75binions as guaranteed by gok and the escarow account bearers snatch your birds away- that case will drag for centuries in the international courts to unravel.
2.
A.Kqlc may or may never get a coin, after all their fate has a sell by date.
B. Kqlc struggles and secures a charge against other shareholder's to attach and sell the remaining assets to avoid unconiviniencing the GoK, through a liquidation process and pressing existing rights after coercion into a loopesided deal by G.oK operatives.
3. @Obiero et al luck you are if your see it through the web of legal jargon that is cooking for your good supper. Kqueers winds up and u still keep hope the damn horse dead horse is just pretending.
This thing is not worth a doctorate disertion to see through sir Obiero of wazua, unless your crystal is tangled with the meat chopper. How else can you be sure a Morse is cooking your way with all this chuning going inside of this kitchen.

Investors here only means shareholder's, since we are not talking of an upcoming acquisition or capital injection.
So investors will contribute by getting haircut or a clean shave on their investment in kq ie for literal meaning of ltd
If need be, and the grounds are well set, unpiercing the corporate veil gets your personal assets attached personally and severally, forbids forbide, do not go for those balls of steel of @obiero, mama watoto won't let them go that easily🤣🤣🤣🤣.
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
VituVingiSana
#13152 Posted : Monday, July 08, 2019 4:58:10 PM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,056
Location: Nairobi
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
How to get more out of a Dead Horse

Buying a stronger whip.
Changing riders.
Say things like, "This is the way we have always ridden this horse."
Appointing a committee to study the horse.
Arranging to visit other sites to see how they ride dead horses.
Increasing the standards to ride dead horses.
Appointing a tiger team to revive the dead horse.
Creating a training session to increase our riding ability.
Comparing the state of dead horses in today's environment.
Change the requirements declaring that "This horse is not dead."
Hire contractors to ride the dead horse.
Harnessing several dead horses together for increased speed.
Declaring that "No horse is too dead to beat."
Providing additional funding to increase the horse's performance.
Do a Cost Analysis study to see if contractors can ride it cheaper.
Purchase a product to make dead horses run faster.
Declare the horse is "better, faster and cheaper" dead.
Form a quality circle to find uses for dead horses.
Revisit the performance requirements for horses.
Say this horse was procured with cost as an independent variable.
Promote the dead horse to a supervisory position.


The horse will resurrect and win the race. Thank me later.
I have been thanking someone since 2013 Laughing out loudly
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#13153 Posted : Monday, July 08, 2019 5:46:11 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,475
Location: nairobi
The share is on a definite rally since May 17th that will only stop at circa KES 10.. The writing is on the wall

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
obiero
#13154 Posted : Monday, July 08, 2019 5:53:57 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,475
Location: nairobi
maka wrote:
I am sorry to say but this company is dead(er)... If there is such a word... Wanton stealing esp from engineering has been reported... The lady in charge of Supply Chain had her car tires slashed...

I keep telling you guys the staff at KQ are questionable characters. If they can slash a senior manager personal car tyres, what will stop them from stealing your baby's toys or your favorite cologne.. Even your wedding gown isn't safe with some of the staff at KQ

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
VituVingiSana
#13155 Posted : Monday, July 08, 2019 5:55:52 PM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,056
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
The share is on a definite rally since May 17th that will only stop at circa KES 10.. The writing is on the wall

100% true as regards 'the writing is on the wall'!

The expression 'the writing is on the wall' is used whenever an inevitable result or imminent danger has become apparent.
https://www.phrases.org....ting-is-on-the-wall.html
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#13156 Posted : Monday, July 08, 2019 6:48:06 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,475
Location: nairobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
The share is on a definite rally since May 17th that will only stop at circa KES 10.. The writing is on the wall

100% true as regards 'the writing is on the wall'!

The expression 'the writing is on the wall' is used whenever an inevitable result or imminent danger has become apparent.
https://www.phrases.org....ing-is-on-the-wall.html

Hehe. For minority shareholders it is ominous

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
maka
#13157 Posted : Tuesday, July 09, 2019 9:14:11 AM
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Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
maka wrote:
I am sorry to say but this company is dead(er)... If there is such a word... Wanton stealing esp from engineering has been reported... The lady in charge of Supply Chain had her car tires slashed...

I keep telling you guys the staff at KQ are questionable characters. If they can slash a senior manager personal car tyres, what will stop them from stealing your baby's toys or your favorite cologne.. Even your wedding gown isn't safe with some of the staff at KQ


We rarely steal those... Try OR...Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

possunt quia posse videntur
maka
#13158 Posted : Tuesday, July 09, 2019 9:24:34 AM
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Joined: 4/22/2010
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Location: Nairobi
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
maka wrote:
I am sorry to say but this company is dead(er)... If there is such a word... Wanton stealing esp from engineering has been reported... The lady in charge of Supply Chain had her car tires slashed...

I keep telling you guys the staff at KQ are questionable characters. If they can slash a senior manager personal car tyres, what will stop them from stealing your baby's toys or your favorite cologne.. Even your wedding gown isn't safe with some of the staff at KQ


We rarely steal those... Try OR...Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly




Reminds me of a guy called Dirk Buitelaar seconded to KQ from KLM as Head of Sales very mean fellow used to harass staff left right and centre... He was warned that he wont end well...
Fellow got shot at hapo Uhuru highway/makaburini...the bullet missed him he up and left the next day.

possunt quia posse videntur
obiero
#13159 Posted : Tuesday, July 09, 2019 9:57:34 AM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,475
Location: nairobi
maka wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
maka wrote:
I am sorry to say but this company is dead(er)... If there is such a word... Wanton stealing esp from engineering has been reported... The lady in charge of Supply Chain had her car tires slashed...

I keep telling you guys the staff at KQ are questionable characters. If they can slash a senior manager personal car tyres, what will stop them from stealing your baby's toys or your favorite cologne.. Even your wedding gown isn't safe with some of the staff at KQ


We rarely steal those... Try OR...Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly




Reminds me of a guy called Dirk Buitelaar seconded to KQ from KLM as Head of Sales very mean fellow used to harass staff left right and centre... He was warned that he wont end well...
Fellow got shot at hapo Uhuru highway/makaburini...the bullet missed him he up and left the next day.


If the KQ staff can willfully collide two Embraers.. What can't they do?

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
maka
#13160 Posted : Tuesday, July 09, 2019 10:31:04 AM
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Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
maka wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
maka wrote:
I am sorry to say but this company is dead(er)... If there is such a word... Wanton stealing esp from engineering has been reported... The lady in charge of Supply Chain had her car tires slashed...

I keep telling you guys the staff at KQ are questionable characters. If they can slash a senior manager personal car tyres, what will stop them from stealing your baby's toys or your favorite cologne.. Even your wedding gown isn't safe with some of the staff at KQ


We rarely steal those... Try OR...Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly




Reminds me of a guy called Dirk Buitelaar seconded to KQ from KLM as Head of Sales very mean fellow used to harass staff left right and centre... He was warned that he wont end well...
Fellow got shot at hapo Uhuru highway/makaburini...the bullet missed him he up and left the next day.


If the KQ staff can willfully collide two Embraers.. What can't they do?


Si nilisema pole... Then we moved your boy Musila and Raj went back home...
possunt quia posse videntur
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