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VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:maka wrote:freiks wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:@Maka Question: If the flight is well-priced, then why can't KQ fly 80% full daily? Facts: There are 1000s of Kenyans/Diasporans flying to/from the (Northeast) US annually. Currently, one has to stop at LHR, AMS, CDG on SkyTeam. LH uses FRA [not sure if Brussels flies to NBO]. BA uses LHR. TK uses IST. Ethiopian uses ADD. The ME airlines flights are much longer.
Then add the East Africans (TZ, UG, RW, BU) and Southern Africans (Mauritius, Malawi, etc) who could use KQ to get to NYC.
Of course, the flights have to reasonably priced + good connections (Delta) + profitable for KQ.
*I am rooting for KQ. I have a 1/50,000,000 (of GoK's) stake in KQ + a much larger indirect stake via KQLC. @vvs don’t try to convince @maka.. he is set in his ways and had even attempted to stall the maiden flight with a strike.. and what would be the problem in scaling down on the daily flights Incase it’s needed.. biashara ni kujaribu! 3 Anyone who has looked at the flight booking status for the month of Nov. Dec will be full Tuko hapa boss.... I can get you daily figures for the rest of our life time for any flight you want... @VVS...rem that's an introductory fare... Wait for next year you see how much the flight will cost.. I am 110% sure I will be vindicated on this one... For now let's enjoy the optics... I agree that KQ has to be competitive vs other airlines. Unless GoK, UN, WB, MNCs etc are paying, most pax will not pay a huge premium to fly direct, non-stop to NYC. If one is flying to/from another city [Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, LA, SF, etc] then the advantage of flying into NYC, to catch a connecting flight, is lost. Domestic travel in USA is commoditized.. It’s like riding a nduthi.. We cannot use that as an excuse Exactly, that's why many would rather fly from NBO and change planes in AMS, CDG, LHR, etc direct to their final destination eg ATL, BOS, IAD, ORD, SFO, LAX... The quality of service/amenities/freebies on int'l flights are usually much better than domestic US flights. KQ is part of sky team, therefore coonection is not a problem. Delta can do the local connections from JFK Life is an endless adventure
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,475 Location: nairobi
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freiks wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:maka wrote:freiks wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:@Maka Question: If the flight is well-priced, then why can't KQ fly 80% full daily? Facts: There are 1000s of Kenyans/Diasporans flying to/from the (Northeast) US annually. Currently, one has to stop at LHR, AMS, CDG on SkyTeam. LH uses FRA [not sure if Brussels flies to NBO]. BA uses LHR. TK uses IST. Ethiopian uses ADD. The ME airlines flights are much longer.
Then add the East Africans (TZ, UG, RW, BU) and Southern Africans (Mauritius, Malawi, etc) who could use KQ to get to NYC.
Of course, the flights have to reasonably priced + good connections (Delta) + profitable for KQ.
*I am rooting for KQ. I have a 1/50,000,000 (of GoK's) stake in KQ + a much larger indirect stake via KQLC. @vvs don’t try to convince @maka.. he is set in his ways and had even attempted to stall the maiden flight with a strike.. and what would be the problem in scaling down on the daily flights Incase it’s needed.. biashara ni kujaribu! 3 Anyone who has looked at the flight booking status for the month of Nov. Dec will be full Tuko hapa boss.... I can get you daily figures for the rest of our life time for any flight you want... @VVS...rem that's an introductory fare... Wait for next year you see how much the flight will cost.. I am 110% sure I will be vindicated on this one... For now let's enjoy the optics... I agree that KQ has to be competitive vs other airlines. Unless GoK, UN, WB, MNCs etc are paying, most pax will not pay a huge premium to fly direct, non-stop to NYC. If one is flying to/from another city [Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, LA, SF, etc] then the advantage of flying into NYC, to catch a connecting flight, is lost. Domestic travel in USA is commoditized.. It’s like riding a nduthi.. We cannot use that as an excuse Exactly, that's why many would rather fly from NBO and change planes in AMS, CDG, LHR, etc direct to their final destination eg ATL, BOS, IAD, ORD, SFO, LAX... The quality of service/amenities/freebies on int'l flights are usually much better than domestic US flights. KQ is part of sky team, therefore coonection is not a problem. Delta can do the local connections from JFK That is the whole truth. And once we get those guys into JKIA, they feed into the rest of Africa. Its a dream revival strategy that may work. Meanwhile all flights upto 7th November booked courtesy of the New York marathon HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
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The numbers are quite low. Hopefully they'll pick up. Tonight KQ2 is departing with less than 100 passengers
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,475 Location: nairobi
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Zichi wrote:The numbers are quite low. Hopefully they'll pick up. Tonight KQ2 is departing with less than 100 passengers It appears NBO inbound has more traction, but these are early days HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,060 Location: Nairobi
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Zichi wrote:The numbers are quite low. Hopefully they'll pick up. Tonight KQ2 is departing with less than 100 passengers Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,060 Location: Nairobi
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@maka What happened to KQ001? If KQ002 (5Y-KZE) left NBO for JFK at 11pm on 28th Oct for a 15 hours and got to JFK at 7am on 29th Oct. I assume a quick turnaround for the same bird but now as KQ003 (JFK-NBO) departure at 1pm on 29th Oct with arrival in NBO at 9.30am (scheduled 10.30am) on 30th Oct. Was there a KQ002 flight from NBO-JFK on 29th Oct? If no, then is it a 3x week flight for now? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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VituVingiSana wrote:@maka
What happened to KQ001?
If KQ002 (5Y-KZE) left NBO for JFK at 11pm on 28th Oct for a 15 hours and got to JFK at 7am on 29th Oct. I assume a quick turnaround for the same bird but now as KQ003 (JFK-NBO) departure at 1pm on 29th Oct with arrival in NBO at 9.30am (scheduled 10.30am) on 30th Oct.
Was there a KQ002 flight from NBO-JFK on 29th Oct?
If no, then is it a 3x week flight for now? KQ2 on 29th was on KZC, arrived at NY at 720 am (NY local)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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90... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:@maka
What happened to KQ001?
If KQ002 (5Y-KZE) left NBO for JFK at 11pm on 28th Oct for a 15 hours and got to JFK at 7am on 29th Oct. I assume a quick turnaround for the same bird but now as KQ003 (JFK-NBO) departure at 1pm on 29th Oct with arrival in NBO at 9.30am (scheduled 10.30am) on 30th Oct.
Was there a KQ002 flight from NBO-JFK on 29th Oct?
If no, then is it a 3x week flight for now? It was there.... On Monday.... Captain Kinuthia and the first crew are coming back this morning with Sebastian... Check this at any given time they will be 30 crew at the NYC hotel... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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VituVingiSana wrote:@maka
What happened to KQ001?
If KQ002 (5Y-KZE) left NBO for JFK at 11pm on 28th Oct for a 15 hours and got to JFK at 7am on 29th Oct. I assume a quick turnaround for the same bird but now as KQ003 (JFK-NBO) departure at 1pm on 29th Oct with arrival in NBO at 9.30am (scheduled 10.30am) on 30th Oct.
Was there a KQ002 flight from NBO-JFK on 29th Oct?
If no, then is it a 3x week flight for now? Daily flights. 28th KQ2 was KZG, returned 30th (EAT) as KQ3 29th KQ2 was KZC, returned today 31st (EAT) as KQ3 30TH KQ2 was KZG, currently in middle of atlantic headed to NY, will return tmr 9.30 EAT as KQ3 31st KQ2 will be KZC. 2 planes KZG and KZC being used for the route. Cpt Kinuthia left on 28 with KZG but returned today 31st with KZC.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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hardwood wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:@maka
What happened to KQ001?
If KQ002 (5Y-KZE) left NBO for JFK at 11pm on 28th Oct for a 15 hours and got to JFK at 7am on 29th Oct. I assume a quick turnaround for the same bird but now as KQ003 (JFK-NBO) departure at 1pm on 29th Oct with arrival in NBO at 9.30am (scheduled 10.30am) on 30th Oct.
Was there a KQ002 flight from NBO-JFK on 29th Oct?
If no, then is it a 3x week flight for now? Daily flights. 28th KQ2 was KZG, returned 30th (EAT) as KQ3 29th KQ2 was KZC, returned today 31st (EAT) as KQ3 30TH KQ2 was KZG, currently in middle of atlantic headed to NY, will return tmr 9.30 EAT as KQ3 31st KQ2 will be KZC. 2 planes KZG and KZC being used for the route. Cpt Kinuthia left on 28 with KZG but returned today 31st with KZC. Tell us about how fast the pax numbers are dwindling...I am totally sorry about sounding like a broken record... This is the last I will talk about how bad the move was.... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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maka wrote:hardwood wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:@maka
What happened to KQ001?
If KQ002 (5Y-KZE) left NBO for JFK at 11pm on 28th Oct for a 15 hours and got to JFK at 7am on 29th Oct. I assume a quick turnaround for the same bird but now as KQ003 (JFK-NBO) departure at 1pm on 29th Oct with arrival in NBO at 9.30am (scheduled 10.30am) on 30th Oct.
Was there a KQ002 flight from NBO-JFK on 29th Oct?
If no, then is it a 3x week flight for now? Daily flights. 28th KQ2 was KZG, returned 30th (EAT) as KQ3 29th KQ2 was KZC, returned today 31st (EAT) as KQ3 30TH KQ2 was KZG, currently in middle of atlantic headed to NY, will return tmr 9.30 EAT as KQ3 31st KQ2 will be KZC. 2 planes KZG and KZC being used for the route. Cpt Kinuthia left on 28 with KZG but returned today 31st with KZC. Tell us about how fast the pax numbers are dwindling...I am totally sorry about sounding like a broken record... This is the last I will talk about how bad the move was.... Relax, even mama mboga doesn't make a profit on week 1 of operation. The customer base is built up over time. Also we wanjiku via GoK will bail out KQ if things don't work out, just like we have done in the past. And it's strange that you work for KQ but are its fiercest critic. Maybe you should change jobs if you are not happy with the direction the company is taking. A team can never win when some members are playing against their own team.
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maka wrote:hardwood wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:@maka
What happened to KQ001?
If KQ002 (5Y-KZE) left NBO for JFK at 11pm on 28th Oct for a 15 hours and got to JFK at 7am on 29th Oct. I assume a quick turnaround for the same bird but now as KQ003 (JFK-NBO) departure at 1pm on 29th Oct with arrival in NBO at 9.30am (scheduled 10.30am) on 30th Oct.
Was there a KQ002 flight from NBO-JFK on 29th Oct?
If no, then is it a 3x week flight for now? Daily flights. 28th KQ2 was KZG, returned 30th (EAT) as KQ3 29th KQ2 was KZC, returned today 31st (EAT) as KQ3 30TH KQ2 was KZG, currently in middle of atlantic headed to NY, will return tmr 9.30 EAT as KQ3 31st KQ2 will be KZC. 2 planes KZG and KZC being used for the route. Cpt Kinuthia left on 28 with KZG but returned today 31st with KZC. Tell us about how fast the pax numbers are dwindling...I am totally sorry about sounding like a broken record... This is the last I will talk about how bad the move was.... @maka Do you have data on revenue passengers on those flights? Financial performance? Seems it is dire. All these seem to be lost within the PR blitz. Sadly, but true, a pig is a pig no matter how much lipstick you apply. In my view, here is a future excuse similar to Ebola.
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tandich wrote:maka wrote:hardwood wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:@maka
What happened to KQ001?
If KQ002 (5Y-KZE) left NBO for JFK at 11pm on 28th Oct for a 15 hours and got to JFK at 7am on 29th Oct. I assume a quick turnaround for the same bird but now as KQ003 (JFK-NBO) departure at 1pm on 29th Oct with arrival in NBO at 9.30am (scheduled 10.30am) on 30th Oct.
Was there a KQ002 flight from NBO-JFK on 29th Oct?
If no, then is it a 3x week flight for now? Daily flights. 28th KQ2 was KZG, returned 30th (EAT) as KQ3 29th KQ2 was KZC, returned today 31st (EAT) as KQ3 30TH KQ2 was KZG, currently in middle of atlantic headed to NY, will return tmr 9.30 EAT as KQ3 31st KQ2 will be KZC. 2 planes KZG and KZC being used for the route. Cpt Kinuthia left on 28 with KZG but returned today 31st with KZC. Tell us about how fast the pax numbers are dwindling...I am totally sorry about sounding like a broken record... This is the last I will talk about how bad the move was.... @maka Do you have data on revenue passengers on those flights? Financial performance? Seems it is dire. All these seem to be lost within the PR blitz. Sadly, but true, a pig is a pig no matter how much lipstick you apply. In my view, here is a future excuse similar to Ebola. Any new routes in aviation take an average of three years to break even HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
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obiero wrote:tandich wrote:maka wrote:hardwood wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:@maka
What happened to KQ001?
If KQ002 (5Y-KZE) left NBO for JFK at 11pm on 28th Oct for a 15 hours and got to JFK at 7am on 29th Oct. I assume a quick turnaround for the same bird but now as KQ003 (JFK-NBO) departure at 1pm on 29th Oct with arrival in NBO at 9.30am (scheduled 10.30am) on 30th Oct.
Was there a KQ002 flight from NBO-JFK on 29th Oct?
If no, then is it a 3x week flight for now? Daily flights. 28th KQ2 was KZG, returned 30th (EAT) as KQ3 29th KQ2 was KZC, returned today 31st (EAT) as KQ3 30TH KQ2 was KZG, currently in middle of atlantic headed to NY, will return tmr 9.30 EAT as KQ3 31st KQ2 will be KZC. 2 planes KZG and KZC being used for the route. Cpt Kinuthia left on 28 with KZG but returned today 31st with KZC. Tell us about how fast the pax numbers are dwindling...I am totally sorry about sounding like a broken record... This is the last I will talk about how bad the move was.... @maka Do you have data on revenue passengers on those flights? Financial performance? Seems it is dire. All these seem to be lost within the PR blitz. Sadly, but true, a pig is a pig no matter how much lipstick you apply. In my view, here is a future excuse similar to Ebola. Any new routes in aviation take an average of three years to break even Does KQ have 3 years? To pay for a non profitable route? Do they have the money? Il get you the data @Tandich...acha ichape mwezi...moja ama mbili hivi... Some KQ insider gave Alai some 411... https://www.kahawatungu....w-york-not-sustainable/
possunt quia posse videntur
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maka wrote:obiero wrote:tandich wrote:maka wrote:hardwood wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:@maka
What happened to KQ001?
If KQ002 (5Y-KZE) left NBO for JFK at 11pm on 28th Oct for a 15 hours and got to JFK at 7am on 29th Oct. I assume a quick turnaround for the same bird but now as KQ003 (JFK-NBO) departure at 1pm on 29th Oct with arrival in NBO at 9.30am (scheduled 10.30am) on 30th Oct.
Was there a KQ002 flight from NBO-JFK on 29th Oct?
If no, then is it a 3x week flight for now? Daily flights. 28th KQ2 was KZG, returned 30th (EAT) as KQ3 29th KQ2 was KZC, returned today 31st (EAT) as KQ3 30TH KQ2 was KZG, currently in middle of atlantic headed to NY, will return tmr 9.30 EAT as KQ3 31st KQ2 will be KZC. 2 planes KZG and KZC being used for the route. Cpt Kinuthia left on 28 with KZG but returned today 31st with KZC. Tell us about how fast the pax numbers are dwindling...I am totally sorry about sounding like a broken record... This is the last I will talk about how bad the move was.... @maka Do you have data on revenue passengers on those flights? Financial performance? Seems it is dire. All these seem to be lost within the PR blitz. Sadly, but true, a pig is a pig no matter how much lipstick you apply. In my view, here is a future excuse similar to Ebola. Any new routes in aviation take an average of three years to break even Does KQ have 3 years? To pay for a non profitable route? Do they have the money? Il get you the data @Tandich...acha ichape mwezi...moja ama mbili hivi... Some KQ insider gave Alai some 411... https://www.kahawatungu....w-york-not-sustainable/
Alai should be your last person to quote in any issue.. Meanwhile, KQ has GoK backing and be sure that they will get funds from big brother or KQLC.. We are in perfect company HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
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The eagle has landed. 5Y-KZG just landed on runway 31R at JFK.
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maka wrote:obiero wrote:tandich wrote:maka wrote:hardwood wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:@maka
What happened to KQ001?
If KQ002 (5Y-KZE) left NBO for JFK at 11pm on 28th Oct for a 15 hours and got to JFK at 7am on 29th Oct. I assume a quick turnaround for the same bird but now as KQ003 (JFK-NBO) departure at 1pm on 29th Oct with arrival in NBO at 9.30am (scheduled 10.30am) on 30th Oct.
Was there a KQ002 flight from NBO-JFK on 29th Oct?
If no, then is it a 3x week flight for now? Daily flights. 28th KQ2 was KZG, returned 30th (EAT) as KQ3 29th KQ2 was KZC, returned today 31st (EAT) as KQ3 30TH KQ2 was KZG, currently in middle of atlantic headed to NY, will return tmr 9.30 EAT as KQ3 31st KQ2 will be KZC. 2 planes KZG and KZC being used for the route. Cpt Kinuthia left on 28 with KZG but returned today 31st with KZC. Tell us about how fast the pax numbers are dwindling...I am totally sorry about sounding like a broken record... This is the last I will talk about how bad the move was.... @maka Do you have data on revenue passengers on those flights? Financial performance? Seems it is dire. All these seem to be lost within the PR blitz. Sadly, but true, a pig is a pig no matter how much lipstick you apply. In my view, here is a future excuse similar to Ebola. Any new routes in aviation take an average of three years to break even Does KQ have 3 years? To pay for a non profitable route? Do they have the money? Il get you the data @Tandich...acha ichape mwezi...moja ama mbili hivi... Some KQ insider gave Alai some 411... https://www.kahawatungu....w-york-not-sustainable/
It is not detailed as such to determine if the claims made are factual. Just to deconstruct the story, - one plane was returned from a sub-lease arrangement and now KQ will pay the lease cost. - the Dreamliner cargo belly has space for cargo. I saw the cargo storage space reserved for US destined flowers at the Cargo warehouse was full, courtesy of Quest means business Even if this route initially operate on a loss, there are significant measures already taken to stop wastage in KQ as you have reported here e.g. - capping of foreign station allowance to $ 400 - staff rationalization in Lagos station - sourcing of spare parts and rotables directly from Boeing - ending of buddy tickets scheme to curb misuse and tap full revenue tickets - reduction of baggage allowance on intra-Africa flights to tap more revenue from cargo and excess baggage - introduction of EUR as an additional ticket payment currency especially in Europe - streamlining of the procurement function i.e. implementation of the forensic audit findings - terminating key staff in supply chain and fuel procurement - short term fuel hedging contracts - additional routes to come on board, more frequencies already added to CPT, SYZ - new catering menu will save costs on short haul flights. It was actually a downgrade for the short haul routes and means more profit. It is was cleverly done like the baggage reduction I believe there are more initiatives already undertaken/ to come. Even the reduction of the frequencies on this new route will have a huge impact on the bottom line i.e. minimise the anticipated losses.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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What is the passenger load factor for other routes such as London, Amsterdam, Paris, Guangzhou etc?
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,060 Location: Nairobi
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maka wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:@maka
What happened to KQ001?
If KQ002 (5Y-KZE) left NBO for JFK at 11pm on 28th Oct for a 15 hours and got to JFK at 7am on 29th Oct. I assume a quick turnaround for the same bird but now as KQ003 (JFK-NBO) departure at 1pm on 29th Oct with arrival in NBO at 9.30am (scheduled 10.30am) on 30th Oct.
Was there a KQ002 flight from NBO-JFK on 29th Oct?
If no, then is it a 3x week flight for now? It was there.... On Monday.... Captain Kinuthia and the first crew are coming back this morning with Sebastian... Check this at any given time they will be 30 crew at the NYC hotel... Everybody but the Shareholders make money off KQ! KQ should just lease/buy a 40-room motel in NYC at this rate! Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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