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obiero wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:obiero wrote:I will respond to this post on 23.06.2018 and since @ovyo-ovyo did issue this date ovyo-ovyo, let me get some hard facts here for you to digest Net asset(N.A) N.A=5,806,000,000/ shares incl esop** 30,171,445,258 Number per share 5,806,000,000/30,171,445,258/= equating to 0.1924/= Approximately 20cents per share. The BIG quiz is why above twenty cents all the way to 11/=. No wonder kqlcs is eager to jettison this monkey totting a shotgun in a house of glass full of mortals   Hehe. You are very funny Yes, buying high and selling low is a game that tickle my mind. Investing in hope is tantamount to insemenating a barren womb. You only get disappointed for your long wait.  . {|= {|= gyspy woman here we play, if you want love, you know where to find it..... ,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/20/2015 Posts: 2,811 Location: Mombasa
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muandiwambeu wrote:obiero wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:obiero wrote:I will respond to this post on 23.06.2018 and since @ovyo-ovyo did issue this date ovyo-ovyo, let me get some hard facts here for you to digest Net asset(N.A) N.A=5,806,000,000/ shares incl esop** 30,171,445,258 Number per share 5,806,000,000/30,171,445,258/= equating to 0.1924/= Approximately 20cents per share. The BIG quiz is why above twenty cents all the way to 11/=. No wonder kqlcs is eager to jettison this monkey totting a shotgun in a house of glass full of mortals Hehe. You are very funny Yes, buying high and selling low is a game that tickle my mind. Investing in hope is tantamount to insemenating a barren womb. You only get disappointed for your long wait. . {|= {|= gyspy woman here we play, if you want love, you know where to find it..... Let not @Obiero hear that. He's in bed with KQ. John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,057 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:Carol Musyoka (Musyoka's daughter), Esther Koimett(Biwott's daughter) and Dr Oduor(self made) join the KQ Board Musyoka? Daughter of which Musyoka? From her bio, she was a senior exec at BBK. The youngest director of BBK at the time. How did Koimett manage to survive on??? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/28/2015 Posts: 1,247
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VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:Carol Musyoka (Musyoka's daughter), Esther Koimett(Biwott's daughter) and Dr Oduor(self made) join the KQ Board Musyoka? Daughter of which Musyoka? From her bio, she was a senior exec at BBK. The youngest director of BBK at the time. How did Koimett manage to survive on??? It's our time to eat ,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,236 Location: Vacuum
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VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:Carol Musyoka (Musyoka's daughter), Esther Koimett(Biwott's daughter) and Dr Oduor(self made) join the KQ Board Musyoka? Daughter of which Musyoka? From her bio, she was a senior exec at BBK. The youngest director of BBK at the time. How did Koimett manage to survive on??? Esther Koimett is very bright.One of the brightest people ever to grace the treasury building If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,475 Location: nairobi
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Swenani wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:Carol Musyoka (Musyoka's daughter), Esther Koimett(Biwott's daughter) and Dr Oduor(self made) join the KQ Board Musyoka? Daughter of which Musyoka? From her bio, she was a senior exec at BBK. The youngest director of BBK at the time. How did Koimett manage to survive on??? Esther Koimett is very bright.One of the brightest people ever to grace the treasury building I agree. Crafty genes
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/1/2010 Posts: 272 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:Carol Musyoka (Musyoka's daughter), Esther Koimett(Biwott's daughter) and Dr Oduor(self made) join the KQ Board Carol is not Kalonzo's daughter. Pia yeye weka self-made tafadhali. The harder you work, the luckier you get
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,057 Location: Nairobi
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This is surprising or is the pricing out of whack with what BA, TK, ET, EK, etc offer? https://www.businessdail...635044-6y37vy/index.htmlGreedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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Stiffler wrote:sparkly wrote:littledove wrote:https://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL8N1TO1B9Kenya Airways will resume aviation fuel hedging in the second half of this year after price volatility drove up its costs, the airline’s CEO said on Friday. The proposal would enable Kenya Airways to increase its fleet from 32 to 55 and start flying to 20 new international destinations by 2022, an official government document seen by Reuters showed. The two statements above should worry kq shareholders alot. Hedging can again backfire, buying new planes almost double the current number needs billions KQ cannot make an economic profit as long as it is exposed to competition in the international market place where national airlines are heavily subsidized. KQ can't compete with gulf airlines getting free fuel or European carriers getting loans at negative interest. To make a profit, GOK should give KQ a monopoly on uplifting passangers and cargo from Kenya. E.g. if KQ flies to London, GOK should not allow any other airline to pick from Kenya. If all countries only allowed their airlines to pick passengers from their country how would that work...?! Planes would need to fly empty to pick passengers from their designated countries...! That is usually the default for all national airlines. The default is usually varied by Bilateral Agreements between the countries. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,057 Location: Nairobi
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sparkly wrote:littledove wrote:https://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL8N1TO1B9Kenya Airways will resume aviation fuel hedging in the second half of this year after price volatility drove up its costs, the airline’s CEO said on Friday. The proposal would enable Kenya Airways to increase its fleet from 32 to 55 and start flying to 20 new international destinations by 2022, an official government document seen by Reuters showed. The two statements above should worry kq shareholders alot. Hedging can again backfire, buying new planes almost double the current number needs billions KQ cannot make an economic profit as long as it is exposed to competition in the international market place where national airlines are heavily subsidized. KQ can't compete with gulf airlines getting free fuel or European carriers getting loans at negative interest. To make a profit, GOK should give KQ a monopoly on uplifting passangers and cargo from Kenya. E.g. if KQ flies to London, GOK should not allow any other airline to pick from Kenya. According to your logic: KQ would fly empty from London to Nairobi KQ would only fly pax/cargo from NBO to London BA would fly empty from NBO to LHR BA would only fly pax/cargo from LHR to NBO Then what if UG, TZ, Nigeria, India, etc have the same rules for KQ? Should this restriction be limited to city pairs? So if KQ doesn’t serve Doha, no pax should be able to fly from Nairobi to Doha directly? Since Rwandair flies KGL-MBA but KQ doesn’t, should those who wish to return to KGL only fly KQ via NBO? What about KQ’s flights to NYC? Fly NBO-NYC and return empty and let a US carrier fly NYC-NBO? I am sure tourists would love that! Increases the costs of flights for them. Also the cargo guys would be thrilled. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,639 Location: NAIROBI
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Repeal or ammendment of the interest rates cap law will be beneficial to KQ. More money to the pockets of kenyan citizens means more travel. Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:sparkly wrote:littledove wrote:https://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL8N1TO1B9Kenya Airways will resume aviation fuel hedging in the second half of this year after price volatility drove up its costs, the airline’s CEO said on Friday. The proposal would enable Kenya Airways to increase its fleet from 32 to 55 and start flying to 20 new international destinations by 2022, an official government document seen by Reuters showed. The two statements above should worry kq shareholders alot. Hedging can again backfire, buying new planes almost double the current number needs billions KQ cannot make an economic profit as long as it is exposed to competition in the international market place where national airlines are heavily subsidized. KQ can't compete with gulf airlines getting free fuel or European carriers getting loans at negative interest. To make a profit, GOK should give KQ a monopoly on uplifting passangers and cargo from Kenya. E.g. if KQ flies to London, GOK should not allow any other airline to pick from Kenya. According to your logic: KQ would fly empty from London to Nairobi KQ would only fly pax/cargo from NBO to London BA would fly empty from NBO to LHR BA would only fly pax/cargo from LHR to NBO Then what if UG, TZ, Nigeria, India, etc have the same rules for KQ? Should this restriction be limited to city pairs? So if KQ doesn’t serve Doha, no pax should be able to fly from Nairobi to Doha directly? Since Rwandair flies KGL-MBA but KQ doesn’t, should those who wish to return to KGL only fly KQ via NBO? What about KQ’s flights to NYC? Fly NBO-NYC and return empty and let a US carrier fly NYC-NBO? I am sure tourists would love that! Increases the costs of flights for them. Also the cargo guys would be thrilled. 1. Yes, something to that effect. For a start all flowers to Europe should be uplifted by KQ; 2. KQ doesn't have to fly empty from LHR but if it picks in London, it will pay the UK taxes and vice versa for BA Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,236 Location: Vacuum
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sparkly wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:sparkly wrote:littledove wrote:https://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL8N1TO1B9Kenya Airways will resume aviation fuel hedging in the second half of this year after price volatility drove up its costs, the airline’s CEO said on Friday. The proposal would enable Kenya Airways to increase its fleet from 32 to 55 and start flying to 20 new international destinations by 2022, an official government document seen by Reuters showed. The two statements above should worry kq shareholders alot. Hedging can again backfire, buying new planes almost double the current number needs billions KQ cannot make an economic profit as long as it is exposed to competition in the international market place where national airlines are heavily subsidized. KQ can't compete with gulf airlines getting free fuel or European carriers getting loans at negative interest. To make a profit, GOK should give KQ a monopoly on uplifting passangers and cargo from Kenya. E.g. if KQ flies to London, GOK should not allow any other airline to pick from Kenya. According to your logic: KQ would fly empty from London to Nairobi KQ would only fly pax/cargo from NBO to London BA would fly empty from NBO to LHR BA would only fly pax/cargo from LHR to NBO Then what if UG, TZ, Nigeria, India, etc have the same rules for KQ? Should this restriction be limited to city pairs? So if KQ doesn’t serve Doha, no pax should be able to fly from Nairobi to Doha directly? Since Rwandair flies KGL-MBA but KQ doesn’t, should those who wish to return to KGL only fly KQ via NBO? What about KQ’s flights to NYC? Fly NBO-NYC and return empty and let a US carrier fly NYC-NBO? I am sure tourists would love that! Increases the costs of flights for them. Also the cargo guys would be thrilled. 1. Yes, something to that effect. For a start all flowers to Europe should be uplifted by KQ; 2. KQ doesn't have to fly empty from LHR but if it picks in London, it will pay the UK taxes and vice versa for BA Yaani unataka aviation rules and regulations to be changed in order to make KQ profitable? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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Swenani wrote:sparkly wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:sparkly wrote:littledove wrote:https://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL8N1TO1B9Kenya Airways will resume aviation fuel hedging in the second half of this year after price volatility drove up its costs, the airline’s CEO said on Friday. The proposal would enable Kenya Airways to increase its fleet from 32 to 55 and start flying to 20 new international destinations by 2022, an official government document seen by Reuters showed. The two statements above should worry kq shareholders alot. Hedging can again backfire, buying new planes almost double the current number needs billions KQ cannot make an economic profit as long as it is exposed to competition in the international market place where national airlines are heavily subsidized. KQ can't compete with gulf airlines getting free fuel or European carriers getting loans at negative interest. To make a profit, GOK should give KQ a monopoly on uplifting passangers and cargo from Kenya. E.g. if KQ flies to London, GOK should not allow any other airline to pick from Kenya. According to your logic: KQ would fly empty from London to Nairobi KQ would only fly pax/cargo from NBO to London BA would fly empty from NBO to LHR BA would only fly pax/cargo from LHR to NBO Then what if UG, TZ, Nigeria, India, etc have the same rules for KQ? Should this restriction be limited to city pairs? So if KQ doesn’t serve Doha, no pax should be able to fly from Nairobi to Doha directly? Since Rwandair flies KGL-MBA but KQ doesn’t, should those who wish to return to KGL only fly KQ via NBO? What about KQ’s flights to NYC? Fly NBO-NYC and return empty and let a US carrier fly NYC-NBO? I am sure tourists would love that! Increases the costs of flights for them. Also the cargo guys would be thrilled. 1. Yes, something to that effect. For a start all flowers to Europe should be uplifted by KQ; 2. KQ doesn't have to fly empty from LHR but if it picks in London, it will pay the UK taxes and vice versa for BA Yaani unataka aviation rules and regulations to be changed in order to make KQ profitable? Nothing is being changed Sir. These are fundamentals of commercial aviation. Each country has the power to control overflight in its skies, determine who lands, takes off, picks, drops, charges and taxes for operations. Russia is notorious for charging exorbitant fees to overfly its territory from Western Europe to Asia. Countries grant favorable operating conditions to other countries on reciprocal basis through Bilateral or Multilateral Air Service Agreements. This is governed by the Chicago Convention of 1944. Nothing stops Kenya from terminating and renegotiating its Air Service Agreements if they are not benefiting KQ. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,057 Location: Nairobi
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sparkly wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:sparkly wrote:littledove wrote:https://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL8N1TO1B9Kenya Airways will resume aviation fuel hedging in the second half of this year after price volatility drove up its costs, the airline’s CEO said on Friday. The proposal would enable Kenya Airways to increase its fleet from 32 to 55 and start flying to 20 new international destinations by 2022, an official government document seen by Reuters showed. The two statements above should worry kq shareholders alot. Hedging can again backfire, buying new planes almost double the current number needs billions KQ cannot make an economic profit as long as it is exposed to competition in the international market place where national airlines are heavily subsidized. KQ can't compete with gulf airlines getting free fuel or European carriers getting loans at negative interest. To make a profit, GOK should give KQ a monopoly on uplifting passangers and cargo from Kenya. E.g. if KQ flies to London, GOK should not allow any other airline to pick from Kenya. According to your logic: KQ would fly empty from London to Nairobi KQ would only fly pax/cargo from NBO to London BA would fly empty from NBO to LHR BA would only fly pax/cargo from LHR to NBO Then what if UG, TZ, Nigeria, India, etc have the same rules for KQ? Should this restriction be limited to city pairs? So if KQ doesn’t serve Doha, no pax should be able to fly from Nairobi to Doha directly? Since Rwandair flies KGL-MBA but KQ doesn’t, should those who wish to return to KGL only fly KQ via NBO? What about KQ’s flights to NYC? Fly NBO-NYC and return empty and let a US carrier fly NYC-NBO? I am sure tourists would love that! Increases the costs of flights for them. Also the cargo guys would be thrilled. 1. Yes, something to that effect. For a start all flowers to Europe should be uplifted by KQ; The cost of a flight to London would almost double if you fly to LHR on KQ and return on BA. That would significantly reduce travel on both KQ and BA if the cost is 2x..
I would fly to Dubai/Abu Dhabi/Kigali/Addis and then fly the London leg on other airlines. My travel agent can easily book me both segments.
But exporters often complain that there is NOT enough cargo space on KQ to uplift ALL flowers and horticulture.2. KQ doesn't have to fly empty from LHR but if it picks in London, it will pay the UK taxes and vice versa for BA All airlines pay those airport taxes which are added to our tickets. The breakdown shows taxes for JKIA and LHR. Accra (Kotoka) charges a crazy $80. Not sure of Dubai. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,057 Location: Nairobi
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sparkly wrote:Swenani wrote:sparkly wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:sparkly wrote:littledove wrote:https://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL8N1TO1B9Kenya Airways will resume aviation fuel hedging in the second half of this year after price volatility drove up its costs, the airline’s CEO said on Friday. The proposal would enable Kenya Airways to increase its fleet from 32 to 55 and start flying to 20 new international destinations by 2022, an official government document seen by Reuters showed. The two statements above should worry kq shareholders alot. Hedging can again backfire, buying new planes almost double the current number needs billions KQ cannot make an economic profit as long as it is exposed to competition in the international market place where national airlines are heavily subsidized. KQ can't compete with gulf airlines getting free fuel or European carriers getting loans at negative interest. To make a profit, GOK should give KQ a monopoly on uplifting passangers and cargo from Kenya. E.g. if KQ flies to London, GOK should not allow any other airline to pick from Kenya. According to your logic: KQ would fly empty from London to Nairobi KQ would only fly pax/cargo from NBO to London BA would fly empty from NBO to LHR BA would only fly pax/cargo from LHR to NBO Then what if UG, TZ, Nigeria, India, etc have the same rules for KQ? Should this restriction be limited to city pairs? So if KQ doesn’t serve Doha, no pax should be able to fly from Nairobi to Doha directly? Since Rwandair flies KGL-MBA but KQ doesn’t, should those who wish to return to KGL only fly KQ via NBO? What about KQ’s flights to NYC? Fly NBO-NYC and return empty and let a US carrier fly NYC-NBO? I am sure tourists would love that! Increases the costs of flights for them. Also the cargo guys would be thrilled. 1. Yes, something to that effect. For a start all flowers to Europe should be uplifted by KQ; 2. KQ doesn't have to fly empty from LHR but if it picks in London, it will pay the UK taxes and vice versa for BA Yaani unataka aviation rules and regulations to be changed in order to make KQ profitable? Nothing is being changed Sir. These are fundamentals of commercial aviation. Each country has the power to control overflight in its skies, determine who lands, takes off, picks, drops, charges and taxes for operations. Russia is notorious for charging exorbitant fees to overfly its territory from Western Europe to Asia.That's to overfly Russian territory which also helps airlines save on fuel by taking the shorter route. How does BA making overflights [London to Malawi] help make KQ profitable if KQ can't pick up passengers in London and take them onwards to Malawi? Countries grant favorable operating conditions to other countries on reciprocal basis through Bilateral or Multilateral Air Service Agreements. This is governed by the Chicago Convention of 1944. Nothing stops Kenya from terminating and renegotiating its Air Service Agreements if they are not benefiting KQ. Yes, but the others can retaliate eg UK govt, US govt, Rwanda govt, etc if their airlines are targeted. Others eg Uganda, Nigeria, India, DRC, etc can also make it horribly expensive for KQ and its passengers. KQ needs to step up with better service and competitive fares. Kenyans [esp those who pay their own way] already take longer flights with 1+ stops to save money and I do not see this trend diminishing. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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[quote=VituVingiSana]This is surprising or is the pricing out of whack with what BA, TK, ET, EK, etc offer? https://www.businessdail...35044-6y37vy/index.html[/quote] It is a direct flight. I was keen to know the status hence the reason why I asked @maka. It will pick up August onwards as Mikosz says. I am very hopeful it will work.
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ArrestedDev wrote:[quote=VituVingiSana]This is surprising or is the pricing out of whack with what BA, TK, ET, EK, etc offer? https://www.businessdail...35044-6y37vy/index.html[/quote] It is a direct flight. I was keen to know the status hence the reason why I asked @maka. It will pick up August onwar5ds as Mikosz says. I am very hopeful it will work. Daily... NO...3 times a week YES. possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,057 Location: Nairobi
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maka wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:[quote=VituVingiSana]This is surprising or is the pricing out of whack with what BA, TK, ET, EK, etc offer? https://www.businessdail...35044-6y37vy/index.html[/quote] It is a direct flight. I was keen to know the status hence the reason why I asked @maka. It will pick up August onwar5ds as Mikosz says. I am very hopeful it will work. Daily... NO...3 times a week YES. It's a 15 hour flight this means the same plane can fly to and fro 3x week... And a one day of rest for the plane  Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,475 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:maka wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:[quote=VituVingiSana]This is surprising or is the pricing out of whack with what BA, TK, ET, EK, etc offer? https://www.businessdail...35044-6y37vy/index.html[/quote] It is a direct flight. I was keen to know the status hence the reason why I asked @maka. It will pick up August onwar5ds as Mikosz says. I am very hopeful it will work. Daily... NO...3 times a week YES. It's a 15 hour flight this means the same plane can fly to and fro 3x week... And a one day of rest for the plane Rest for the plane?
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