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Kenya Airways...why ignore..
winmak
#9901 Posted : Wednesday, May 09, 2018 5:23:29 PM
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I think running Airlines is universally tough

https://www.businessdail...52354-2mxful/index.html

"To become a millionaire, first start as a billionaire, then buy an airline"
For investors as a whole, returns decrease as motion increases ~ WB
Ericsson
#9902 Posted : Wednesday, May 09, 2018 6:14:41 PM
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winmak wrote:
I think running Airlines is universally tough

https://www.businessdail...52354-2mxful/index.html

"To become a millionaire, first start as a billionaire, then buy an airline"


Emirates full year profits surges 124% as revenue and capacity climb

Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
obiero
#9903 Posted : Wednesday, May 09, 2018 8:28:19 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
winmak wrote:
I think running Airlines is universally tough

https://www.businessdail...52354-2mxful/index.html

"To become a millionaire, first start as a billionaire, then buy an airline"


Emirates full year profits surges 124% as revenue and capacity climb


KQ reborn

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
obiero
#9904 Posted : Wednesday, May 09, 2018 8:54:50 PM
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@vvs in the interest of honesty. my benefits are still on
On 19.05.2018 any wazuan up for a double scotch can find me at the Eroll

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
ArrestedDev
#9905 Posted : Wednesday, May 09, 2018 9:17:21 PM
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maka wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
obiero wrote:
maka wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
With Mikosz KQ will grow soon as well. I am hopeful that an order for more B787 & B737 MAX is on the cards.

@maka - where are you? Any news from KQ on the next route? What happened to delays - How did Mikosz dealt with them? There are no news of delays nowadays.

There was little news of anything but moi's day back in the day! Laughing out loudly
I have to admit I haven't flown KQ (ex-JJ) in ages [cost/price vs competition]...
Any improvements?
Load factors?
Definitely, there is less news about grumbling by employees even if they want to grumble. Mikosz' dismissal of the engineers seems to have worked.


Mikosz (The boxer) is busy sampling food at NAS very sad...

Delays... ziko but dealt with appropriately Duty Managers have been empowered to make decisions kitambo it was a bit different because no one wanted to goof...Show cause pap...

@maka please tell us more about the NAS food sampling


The food offered by NAS need to improve before the launch of NYC flight. Reviews on KQ catering is appalling and this is why Mikosz is very keen to lift the standard. These are things which could have never been dealt with by Ngunze. Catering is a very important component of the product offered an Airline.

Mikosz mentioned this during the launch of the Newyork route. Very happy he is personally handling it to make sure the KQ product returns to where it was.


Read what @VVS has posted just before you... trust me at this time and age there are more important things to focus on... One of them is ET upstaging KQ day in day out... Addis...Accra...Houston...🤔


Mikosz is right on the catering. Bad food drives people away especially in a long haul flight. People love food. Once catering is sorted then KQ will be able to attract more passengers. Destinations will be added with time.

There is a 5 year strategy that Mikosz submitted to the board. It is very ambitious. He has been there for a very short time.

I can see he has even moved faster by launching NYC, Mauritious and probably Beijing is coming next.

Nothing much to do with ET. They are already ahead of the game given their cost base is lower.
VituVingiSana
#9906 Posted : Wednesday, May 09, 2018 10:56:45 PM
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obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
winmak wrote:
I think running Airlines is universally tough

https://www.businessdail...52354-2mxful/index.html

"To become a millionaire, first start as a billionaire, then buy an airline"


Emirates full year profits surges 124% as revenue and capacity climb


KQ reborn
You misread it. @Ericsson said EMIRATES full year profits surges 124% as revenue and capacity climb...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#9907 Posted : Wednesday, May 09, 2018 11:21:10 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
winmak wrote:
I think running Airlines is universally tough

https://www.businessdail...52354-2mxful/index.html

"To become a millionaire, first start as a billionaire, then buy an airline"


Emirates full year profits surges 124% as revenue and capacity climb


KQ reborn
You misread it. @Ericsson said EMIRATES full year profits surges 124% as revenue and capacity climb...

Hehe

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
guka
#9908 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2018 5:24:45 AM
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@ArrestedDev any clue where this report could be found?

5 years old for an E-jet is still young! Just some good maintenance and refurbishing
ArrestedDev
#9909 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2018 6:39:26 AM
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guka wrote:
@ArrestedDev any clue where this report could be found?

5 years old for an E-jet is still young! Just some good maintenance and refurbishing


KQ has been sending back the leased ones at only 8 years old. Many other airlines also lease them especially the narrow body for 8 years. The narrow body are used to run many frequencies and accumulate many flight hours within a short period and hence higher fuel and mantainance costs.

Expect an order soon to be announced.

guka
#9910 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2018 7:35:55 AM
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Will they still order E-jets or the Bombardier Q400 given the success Jambo Jet has been having with them? Or perhaps 737's?
ArrestedDev
#9911 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2018 9:41:25 AM
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guka wrote:
Will they still order E-jets or the Bombardier Q400 given the success Jambo Jet has been having with them? Or perhaps 737's?


Must be the 737Max, E190-E2 (NEW E190), or even Bombadier C series and Ofcourse more B787s.
obiero
#9912 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2018 10:09:43 AM
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ArrestedDev wrote:
guka wrote:
Will they still order E-jets or the Bombardier Q400 given the success Jambo Jet has been having with them? Or perhaps 737's?


Must be the 737Max, E190-E2 (NEW E190), or even Bombadier C series and Ofcourse more B787s.

The Embraer has been a good work horse within Africa but it cannot efficiently effect long hauls hence some new 787 will be part of the mix especially for USA

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
maka
#9913 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2018 10:16:46 AM
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obiero wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
guka wrote:
Will they still order E-jets or the Bombardier Q400 given the success Jambo Jet has been having with them? Or perhaps 737's?


Must be the 737Max, E190-E2 (NEW E190), or even Bombadier C series and Ofcourse more B787s.

The Embraer has been a good work horse within Africa but it cannot efficiently effect long hauls hence some new 787 will be part of the mix especially for USA


Q400...
possunt quia posse videntur
maka
#9914 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2018 10:33:00 AM
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maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
guka wrote:
Will they still order E-jets or the Bombardier Q400 given the success Jambo Jet has been having with them? Or perhaps 737's?


Must be the 737Max, E190-E2 (NEW E190), or even Bombadier C series and Ofcourse more B787s.

The Embraer has been a good work horse within Africa but it cannot efficiently effect long hauls hence some new 787 will be part of the mix especially for USA


Q400...


I dont say much siku hizi but truth be told nothing will change that much on KQ expect more losses...
possunt quia posse videntur
obiero
#9915 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2018 10:45:51 AM
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maka wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
guka wrote:
Will they still order E-jets or the Bombardier Q400 given the success Jambo Jet has been having with them? Or perhaps 737's?


Must be the 737Max, E190-E2 (NEW E190), or even Bombadier C series and Ofcourse more B787s.

The Embraer has been a good work horse within Africa but it cannot efficiently effect long hauls hence some new 787 will be part of the mix especially for USA


Q400...


I dont say much siku hizi but truth be told nothing will change that much on KQ expect more losses...

Shindwe! Alot is already changing

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
VituVingiSana
#9916 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2018 11:30:15 AM
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ArrestedDev wrote:
guka wrote:
@ArrestedDev any clue where this report could be found?

5 years old for an E-jet is still young! Just some good maintenance and refurbishing


KQ has been sending back the leased ones at only 8 years old. Many other airlines also lease them especially the narrow body for 8 years. The narrow body are used to run many frequencies and accumulate many flight hours within a short period and hence higher fuel and mantainance costs.

Expect an order soon to be announced.

Can't they get the 8-yr olds at very cheap lease/purchase rates to offset the higher fuel usage and maintenance costs?
Delta had bought some old aircraft (can't remember the model) at a very low price which they refurbished. They used the heck out of them. They were cheap so grounding them when biz was slow wasn't a huge drag.
They also cannibalized some for spares to keep the rest running.

https://onemileatatime.b...11/10/old-delta-planes/

https://worldairlinenews...ircraft-bubble-comment/
"...the airline looks at the entire cost of jet – the purchase price, the maintenance costs, fuel efficiency and other factors – before making decisions. Often, used aircraft make the most economic sense for the airline."
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
ArrestedDev
#9917 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2018 4:47:14 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
guka wrote:
@ArrestedDev any clue where this report could be found?

5 years old for an E-jet is still young! Just some good maintenance and refurbishing


KQ has been sending back the leased ones at only 8 years old. Many other airlines also lease them especially the narrow body for 8 years. The narrow body are used to run many frequencies and accumulate many flight hours within a short period and hence higher fuel and mantainance costs.

Expect an order soon to be announced.

Can't they get the 8-yr olds at very cheap lease/purchase rates to offset the higher fuel usage and maintenance costs?
Delta had bought some old aircraft (can't remember the model) at a very low price which they refurbished. They used the heck out of them. They were cheap so grounding them when biz was slow wasn't a huge drag.
They also cannibalized some for spares to keep the rest running.

https://onemileatatime.b...11/10/old-delta-planes/

https://worldairlinenews...ircraft-bubble-comment/
"...the airline looks at the entire cost of jet – the purchase price, the maintenance costs, fuel efficiency and other factors – before making decisions. Often, used aircraft make the most economic sense for the airline."


These articles are dated. With the new efficient jets coming into service - B737 max, Bombadier C series, E2, A320neo, A321LRneo, B787 & A350 there is no need to refurbish old jets anymore.

All the three biggest carriers in the USA have placed orders for these new jets. American Airlines is already receiving deliveries for B737max. Delta placed an order in December 2017 with Airbus.
ArrestedDev
#9918 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2018 4:53:22 PM
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Delta order for the Bombadier C series here.

https://www.usatoday.com...keep-flying/1024902001/

guka
#9919 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2018 5:14:42 PM
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The more I hear about the possibility of these acquisitions the more I am like a deeper loss is in the horizon.
maka
#9920 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2018 5:50:39 PM
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guka wrote:
The more I hear about the possibility of these acquisitions the more I am like a deeper loss is in the horizon.


They are not buying any new planes... @AD and Obiero are dreaming... la la land.
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