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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,475 Location: nairobi
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Ebenyo wrote:obiero wrote:Spikes wrote:This thread is about to lose credibility it used to enjoy. Weka link i think he means that many retail shareholders of kq did not grasp this consolidation well.The final result is that if an investor had 4000 shares,he now has 1000.So there is still no gain whatsoever despite the price change.The banks and other big lenders are the ones who have benefited only.The former shareholders are still in the red. Many means who? Only very illiterate shareholders didn't digest the consolidated and they should have visited wazua for guidance. What about the minority who bought last few days at lows of KES 2.10.. Jua ikiwika ya wakia wote.. Those who take advantage have everything to gain
HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/20/2015 Posts: 2,811 Location: Mombasa
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obiero wrote:Ebenyo wrote:obiero wrote:Spikes wrote:This thread is about to lose credibility it used to enjoy. Weka link i think he means that many retail shareholders of kq did not grasp this consolidation well.The final result is that if an investor had 4000 shares,he now has 1000.So there is still no gain whatsoever despite the price change.The banks and other big lenders are the ones who have benefited only.The former shareholders are still in the red. Many means who? What about the minority who bought last few days at lows of KES 2.10.. Jua ikiwika ya wakia wote.. Those who take advantage have everything to gain What about the most timid minor shareholder who sold at kes 2.1/- Historical loss was made here. John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,475 Location: nairobi
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Spikes wrote:obiero wrote:Ebenyo wrote:obiero wrote:Spikes wrote:This thread is about to lose credibility it used to enjoy. Weka link i think he means that many retail shareholders of kq did not grasp this consolidation well.The final result is that if an investor had 4000 shares,he now has 1000.So there is still no gain whatsoever despite the price change.The banks and other big lenders are the ones who have benefited only.The former shareholders are still in the red. Many means who? What about the minority who bought last few days at lows of KES 2.10.. Jua ikiwika ya wakia wote.. Those who take advantage have everything to gain What about the most timid minor shareholder who sold at kes 2.1/- Historical loss was made here. That's a negative view of life
HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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obiero wrote:Spikes wrote:obiero wrote:Ebenyo wrote:obiero wrote:Spikes wrote:This thread is about to lose credibility it used to enjoy. Weka link i think he means that many retail shareholders of kq did not grasp this consolidation well.The final result is that if an investor had 4000 shares,he now has 1000.So there is still no gain whatsoever despite the price change.The banks and other big lenders are the ones who have benefited only.The former shareholders are still in the red. Many means who? What about the minority who bought last few days at lows of KES 2.10.. Jua ikiwika ya wakia wote.. Those who take advantage have everything to gain What about the most timid minor shareholder who sold at kes 2.1/- Historical loss was made here. That's a negative view of life Boom shot! Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/27/2011 Posts: 301 Location: Nairobi
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Ebenyo wrote:obiero wrote:Spikes wrote:This thread is about to lose credibility it used to enjoy. Weka link i think he means that many retail shareholders of kq did not grasp this consolidation well.The final result is that if an investor had 4000 shares,he now has 1000.So there is still no gain whatsoever despite the price change.The banks and other big lenders are the ones who have benefited only.The former shareholders are still in the red. I've seen this assertion that "banks benefited" a few times including in the media. When we say that "banks benefited" what exactly does this mean in this context? any one who knows how they seemingly "benefited" ? If they converted to shares prior to consolidation, they should have been subject to consolidation too. If they converted after consolidation, they should have paid the higher price of the share post consolidation. Did neither of this apply? was a discount applied on the conversion price?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,639 Location: NAIROBI
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eboomerang wrote:Ebenyo wrote:obiero wrote:Spikes wrote:This thread is about to lose credibility it used to enjoy. Weka link i think he means that many retail shareholders of kq did not grasp this consolidation well.The final result is that if an investor had 4000 shares,he now has 1000.So there is still no gain whatsoever despite the price change.The banks and other big lenders are the ones who have benefited only.The former shareholders are still in the red. I've seen this assertion a few times including in the media When we say that "banks benefited" what exactly does this mean? any one who know how they seemingly "benefited" ? If they converted to shares prior to consolidation, they should have been subject to consolidation too. If they converted after consolidation, they should have paid the higher price of the share post consolidation. Did neither of this apply? was a discount applied on the conversion price? Acha kelele Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/27/2011 Posts: 301 Location: Nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:eboomerang wrote:Ebenyo wrote:obiero wrote:Spikes wrote:This thread is about to lose credibility it used to enjoy. Weka link i think he means that many retail shareholders of kq did not grasp this consolidation well.The final result is that if an investor had 4000 shares,he now has 1000.So there is still no gain whatsoever despite the price change.The banks and other big lenders are the ones who have benefited only.The former shareholders are still in the red. I've seen this assertion a few times including in the media When we say that "banks benefited" what exactly does this mean? any one who knows how they seemingly "benefited" ? If they converted to shares prior to consolidation, they should have been subject to consolidation too. If they converted after consolidation, they should have paid the higher price of the share post consolidation. Did neither of this apply? was a discount applied on the conversion price? Acha kelele Accept and move on ? 
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/4/2016 Posts: 1,996 Location: Kitale
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Ericsson wrote:eboomerang wrote:Ebenyo wrote:obiero wrote:Spikes wrote:This thread is about to lose credibility it used to enjoy. Weka link i think he means that many retail shareholders of kq did not grasp this consolidation well.The final result is that if an investor had 4000 shares,he now has 1000.So there is still no gain whatsoever despite the price change.The banks and other big lenders are the ones who have benefited only.The former shareholders are still in the red. I've seen this assertion a few times including in the media When we say that "banks benefited" what exactly does this mean? any one who know how they seemingly "benefited" ? If they converted to shares prior to consolidation, they should have been subject to consolidation too. If they converted after consolidation, they should have paid the higher price of the share post consolidation. Did neither of this apply? was a discount applied on the conversion price? Acha kelele  thanks ericson for coming to my aid.hiyo maswali mingi aulize obiero ndio anajua.mimi naye nilisoma kwa media. Towards the goal of financial freedom
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,639 Location: NAIROBI
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eboomerang wrote:Ericsson wrote:eboomerang wrote:Ebenyo wrote:obiero wrote:Spikes wrote:This thread is about to lose credibility it used to enjoy. Weka link i think he means that many retail shareholders of kq did not grasp this consolidation well.The final result is that if an investor had 4000 shares,he now has 1000.So there is still no gain whatsoever despite the price change.The banks and other big lenders are the ones who have benefited only.The former shareholders are still in the red. I've seen this assertion a few times including in the media When we say that "banks benefited" what exactly does this mean? any one who knows how they seemingly "benefited" ? If they converted to shares prior to consolidation, they should have been subject to consolidation too. If they converted after consolidation, they should have paid the higher price of the share post consolidation. Did neither of this apply? was a discount applied on the conversion price? Acha kelele Accept and move on ? Talk about the future;whatever you are saying has been done and can't change now Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,475 Location: nairobi
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Ebenyo wrote:Ericsson wrote:eboomerang wrote:Ebenyo wrote:obiero wrote:Spikes wrote:This thread is about to lose credibility it used to enjoy. Weka link i think he means that many retail shareholders of kq did not grasp this consolidation well.The final result is that if an investor had 4000 shares,he now has 1000.So there is still no gain whatsoever despite the price change.The banks and other big lenders are the ones who have benefited only.The former shareholders are still in the red. I've seen this assertion a few times including in the media When we say that "banks benefited" what exactly does this mean? any one who know how they seemingly "benefited" ? If they converted to shares prior to consolidation, they should have been subject to consolidation too. If they converted after consolidation, they should have paid the higher price of the share post consolidation. Did neither of this apply? was a discount applied on the conversion price? Acha kelele thanks ericson for coming to my aid.hiyo maswali mingi aulize obiero ndio anajua.mimi naye nilisoma kwa media. Lol.. Kuweni wapole @eboomerang.. KQ Lenders Co Ltd obtained 1 ordinary share and 19 deffered shares which were then consolidated from a previous price of KES 2.13. So they gain at any price above KES 8.52
HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/27/2011 Posts: 301 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:Ebenyo wrote:Ericsson wrote:eboomerang wrote:Ebenyo wrote:obiero wrote:Spikes wrote:This thread is about to lose credibility it used to enjoy. Weka link i think he means that many retail shareholders of kq did not grasp this consolidation well.The final result is that if an investor had 4000 shares,he now has 1000.So there is still no gain whatsoever despite the price change.The banks and other big lenders are the ones who have benefited only.The former shareholders are still in the red. I've seen this assertion a few times including in the media When we say that "banks benefited" what exactly does this mean? any one who know how they seemingly "benefited" ? If they converted to shares prior to consolidation, they should have been subject to consolidation too. If they converted after consolidation, they should have paid the higher price of the share post consolidation. Did neither of this apply? was a discount applied on the conversion price? Acha kelele thanks ericson for coming to my aid.hiyo maswali mingi aulize obiero ndio anajua.mimi naye nilisoma kwa media. Lol.. Kuweni wapole @eboomerang.. KQ Lenders Co Ltd obtained 1 ordinary share and 19 deffered shares which were then consolidated from a previous price of KES 2.13. So they gain at any price above KES 8.52 Thanks for the explanation, wasn't privy to that detail. Kweli hio ni classic case study of double dipping.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,475 Location: nairobi
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eboomerang wrote:obiero wrote:Ebenyo wrote:Ericsson wrote:eboomerang wrote:Ebenyo wrote:obiero wrote:Spikes wrote:This thread is about to lose credibility it used to enjoy. Weka link i think he means that many retail shareholders of kq did not grasp this consolidation well.The final result is that if an investor had 4000 shares,he now has 1000.So there is still no gain whatsoever despite the price change.The banks and other big lenders are the ones who have benefited only.The former shareholders are still in the red. I've seen this assertion a few times including in the media When we say that "banks benefited" what exactly does this mean? any one who know how they seemingly "benefited" ? If they converted to shares prior to consolidation, they should have been subject to consolidation too. If they converted after consolidation, they should have paid the higher price of the share post consolidation. Did neither of this apply? was a discount applied on the conversion price? Acha kelele thanks ericson for coming to my aid.hiyo maswali mingi aulize obiero ndio anajua.mimi naye nilisoma kwa media. Lol.. Kuweni wapole @eboomerang.. KQ Lenders Co Ltd obtained 1 ordinary share and 19 deffered shares which were then consolidated from a previous price of KES 2.13. So they gain at any price above KES 8.52 Thanks for the explanation, wasn't privy to that detail. Kweli hio ni classic case study of double dipping. In essence at current price GOK, KLM, KQ ESOP and KQ Lenders Co Ltd have all doubled their equity investment.. But that's where the lie begins. The current price is false! Only propped up by speculation. Fair value cannot or rather should not exceed KES 12.5
HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/27/2011 Posts: 301 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:eboomerang wrote:obiero wrote:Ebenyo wrote:Ericsson wrote:eboomerang wrote:Ebenyo wrote:obiero wrote:Spikes wrote:This thread is about to lose credibility it used to enjoy. Weka link i think he means that many retail shareholders of kq did not grasp this consolidation well.The final result is that if an investor had 4000 shares,he now has 1000.So there is still no gain whatsoever despite the price change.The banks and other big lenders are the ones who have benefited only.The former shareholders are still in the red. I've seen this assertion a few times including in the media When we say that "banks benefited" what exactly does this mean? any one who know how they seemingly "benefited" ? If they converted to shares prior to consolidation, they should have been subject to consolidation too. If they converted after consolidation, they should have paid the higher price of the share post consolidation. Did neither of this apply? was a discount applied on the conversion price? Acha kelele thanks ericson for coming to my aid.hiyo maswali mingi aulize obiero ndio anajua.mimi naye nilisoma kwa media. Lol.. Kuweni wapole @eboomerang.. KQ Lenders Co Ltd obtained 1 ordinary share and 19 deffered shares which were then consolidated from a previous price of KES 2.13. So they gain at any price above KES 8.52 Thanks for the explanation, wasn't privy to that detail. Kweli hio ni classic case study of double dipping. In essence at current price GOK, KLM, KQ ESOP and KQ Lenders Co Ltd have all doubled their equity investment.. But that's where the lie begins. The current price is false! Only propped up by speculation. Fair value cannot or rather should not exceed KES 12.5 Speculation and other market characteristics are probably driving the price.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,475 Location: nairobi
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@maka thought you said Hondius the great was leaving? Seems like he's growing stronger by the week http://www.businessdaily...28510-qauhwuz/index.html
HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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[quote=obiero]@maka thought you said Hondius the great was leaving? Seems like he's growing stronger by the week http://www.businessdaily...8510-qauhwuz/index.html[/quote] The acquisition was announced sometimes back. I said here previously that these aircrafts should have been leased long ago. Customers should never have been subjected to the experience they went through the last festive season. I gave you the example of Magufuli buying similar aircrafts at a lightning speed while Hondious and Ngunze were leasing old ones from DAC aviation. I hope KQ utilises the two B737 being decommissioned by Jambojet instead of parking/selling them.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,475 Location: nairobi
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ArrestedDev wrote:The acquisition was announced sometimes back. I said here previously that these aircrafts should have been leased long ago. Customers should never have been subjected to the experience they went through the last festive season. I gave you the example of Magufuli buying similar aircrafts at a lightning speed while Hondious and Ngunze were leasing old ones from DAC aviation. I hope KQ utilises the two B737 being decommissioned by Jambojet instead of parking/selling them. Parking the B737 would be tragic.. It's better off to sell incase their utility or maintenance cost is above normal
HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,639 Location: NAIROBI
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Kq should be buying second hand planes or leasing from other airlines. Kq can't play league of buying brand new planes Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/20/2015 Posts: 2,811 Location: Mombasa
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Ericsson wrote:Kq should be buying second hand planes or leasing from other airlines.
Kq can't play league of buying brand new planes usiskike na @ obiero ukiongea hivyo na hayo masifa yake yote na KQ John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,475 Location: nairobi
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Spikes wrote:Ericsson wrote:Kq should be buying second hand planes or leasing from other airlines.
Kq can't play league of buying brand new planes usiskike na @ obiero ukiongea hivyo na hayo masifa yake yote na KQ How else can KQ achieve a young fuel efficient fleet if not via purchase.. Leased planes are usually older
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,057 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:Spikes wrote:Ericsson wrote:Kq should be buying second hand planes or leasing from other airlines.
Kq can't play league of buying brand new planes usiskike na @ obiero ukiongea hivyo na hayo masifa yake yote na KQ How else can KQ achieve a young fuel efficient fleet if not via purchase.. Leased planes are usually older A few years ago but around the same time... Delta bought old planes, refurbished the and made huge profits off utilizing cheap planes. KQ bought new planes (kickbacks?), couldn’t make the payments and made losses galore. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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