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Kenya Airways...why ignore..
obiero
#8341 Posted : Monday, August 21, 2017 8:08:01 PM
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Posts: 13,475
Location: nairobi

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
Impunity
#8342 Posted : Monday, August 21, 2017 10:28:44 PM
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Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,325
Location: Masada
obiero wrote:


Finally we have lived to witness the historic sub 2 bob!
Applause
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

obiero
#8343 Posted : Monday, August 21, 2017 10:36:46 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,475
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Impunity wrote:
obiero wrote:


Finally we have lived to witness the historic sub 2 bob!
Applause

Hahaha.. Shindwe kabisa

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
sparkly
#8344 Posted : Tuesday, August 22, 2017 8:27:20 AM
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@Obiero please explain to me like to a little child why KQ is splitting shares, issuing worthless deferred shares.
Life is short. Live passionately.
obiero
#8345 Posted : Tuesday, August 22, 2017 8:37:27 AM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,475
Location: nairobi
sparkly wrote:
@Obiero please explain to me like to a little child why KQ is splitting shares, issuing worthless deferred shares.

The deffered shares were necessary to get a low entry price of KES 2.13 which would be lower than prevailing market price. Thereafter a consolidation would hike the price past market value.. Meanwhile I can guarantee that most of the trades happening now on KQ are fictional. There's no logical reason for anyone who has been holding onto KQ to sell now and worse still to buy now while the Open Offer will give a massive discount

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
obiero
#8346 Posted : Wednesday, August 23, 2017 7:30:12 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,475
Location: nairobi
obiero wrote:
Flo-ology wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
obiero wrote:
All businesses have challenges, more so in
our aviation industry, which is cyclical in
nature and fraught with many risks.
These include fuel price volatility, intense
competition and more recently the threat
of terrorism and epidemics that have adversely impacted global travel. There is
also political instability, natural disasters
and an increasingly tight regulatory
environment and KQ is not isolated from
any of these. KQ has expanded its global footprint
across multiple jurisdictions flying to 52
destinations. As a global airline, we are
governed by stringent international
aviation rules that we must adhere to. Strong consumer activism in some
markets like the European Union (EU) has
imposed high costs of operations in cases
of schedule interruptions. But it has not always been doom and
gloom. Over the last decade, Kenya
Airways worked hard to successfully shed
the image of an ailing airline dependent
on government lifeline. Since it was privatised in the late 1990s,
the airline grew rapidly, lifted by strong
fundamentals and embracing a culture of
competitiveness and innovation. Before
the current spate of challenges, KQ was
one of the most profitable airlines even earning the ‘Most Respected Company in
East Africa’ accolade. Are we in debt? Yes we are. Is this
normal for airlines? Most certainly. The
question is one of balance for both long
term and short term debt. Long term debt
is the norm for financing asset
acquisition together with equity. In the short term, we are experiencing a tight
liquidity position driven by our business
environment. Were we too ambitious in our plans? Only
time will tell. KQ from 2002 to 2011 grew
from a turnover of Sh25 billion to over
Sh100 billion, in the same period. It only
made a loss in 2009. Against this
backdrop, the Board embarked on a second phase of growth and renewal with
mixed results thus far. Operationally, we have seen significant
improvements over the last two years
both in on time performance and service.
In the last month though, we have had
significant disruptions to our schedule
integrity which has regrettably impacted our loyal customers for two reasons. Firstly, the change of schedule due to the
runway closure and attendant internal
adjustments we have had to make. Secondly, we have had labour relations
issues with some of our pilot community
which in some instances has led to last
minute flight cancellations or delays. So, whereas KQ may today be grappling
with challenges, what is important is that
we stay focused in delivering on the
wider promise. What matters most is the
measures instituted to put the business
on a recovery path and ultimately on a sound footing.

The pilots will kill KQ..
5 days to the EGM


This matter should be sorted out once and for all if not the pilots will do it again and again...The interedting bit is just a section of them others reported to work as normal and others did extra hours...It's a clique.


Why can't they fire them, ground the airline for let's say 1 month and hire afresh

Indeed. They could also be paid pro rated salary per trip. So, no shows without due cause leads to personal income loss

Michael Joseph & Sebastian I thank you. Wish Ngunze had listened to some of our suggestions
http://www.businessdaily...67184-5v1e2nz/index.html

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
maka
#8347 Posted : Wednesday, August 23, 2017 8:24:06 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
obiero wrote:
Flo-ology wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
[quote=obiero]All businesses have challenges, more so in
our aviation industry, which is cyclical in
nature and fraught with many risks.
These include fuel price volatility, intense
competition and more recently the threat
of terrorism and epidemics that have adversely impacted global travel. There is
also political instability, natural disasters
and an increasingly tight regulatory
environment and KQ is not isolated from
any of these. KQ has expanded its global footprint
across multiple jurisdictions flying to 52
destinations. As a global airline, we are
governed by stringent international
aviation rules that we must adhere to. Strong consumer activism in some
markets like the European Union (EU) has
imposed high costs of operations in cases
of schedule interruptions. But it has not always been doom and
gloom. Over the last decade, Kenya
Airways worked hard to successfully shed
the image of an ailing airline dependent
on government lifeline. Since it was privatised in the late 1990s,
the airline grew rapidly, lifted by strong
fundamentals and embracing a culture of
competitiveness and innovation. Before
the current spate of challenges, KQ was
one of the most profitable airlines even earning the ‘Most Respected Company in
East Africa’ accolade. Are we in debt? Yes we are. Is this
normal for airlines? Most certainly. The
question is one of balance for both long
term and short term debt. Long term debt
is the norm for financing asset
acquisition together with equity. In the short term, we are experiencing a tight
liquidity position driven by our business
environment. Were we too ambitious in our plans? Only
time will tell. KQ from 2002 to 2011 grew
from a turnover of Sh25 billion to over
Sh100 billion, in the same period. It only
made a loss in 2009. Against this
backdrop, the Board embarked on a second phase of growth and renewal with
mixed results thus far. Operationally, we have seen significant
improvements over the last two years
both in on time performance and service.
In the last month though, we have had
significant disruptions to our schedule
integrity which has regrettably impacted our loyal customers for two reasons. Firstly, the change of schedule due to the
runway closure and attendant internal
adjustments we have had to make. Secondly, we have had labour relations
issues with some of our pilot community
which in some instances has led to last
minute flight cancellations or delays. So, whereas KQ may today be grappling
with challenges, what is important is that
we stay focused in delivering on the
wider promise. What matters most is the
measures instituted to put the business
on a recovery path and ultimately on a sound footing.

The pilots will kill KQ..
5 days to the EGM


This matter should be sorted out once and for all if not the pilots will do it again and again...The interedting bit is just a section of them others reported to work as normal and others did extra hours...It's a clique.


Why can't they fire them, ground the airline for let's say 1 month and hire afresh

Indeed. They could also be paid pro rated salary per trip. So, no shows without due cause leads to personal income loss

Michael Joseph & Sebastian I thank you. Wish Ngunze had listened to some of our suggestions
http://www.businessdaily...7184-5v1e2nz/index.html[/quote]

The restructuring that Musila and co were busy rushing to implement before Sebastian came in is also being looked into...He feels it was shoddily done...d'oh!
possunt quia posse videntur
ArrestedDev
#8348 Posted : Wednesday, August 23, 2017 10:27:56 AM
Rank: Member


Joined: 5/29/2016
Posts: 898
Location: Nairobi
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
obiero wrote:
Flo-ology wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
[quote=obiero]All businesses have challenges, more so in
our aviation industry, which is cyclical in
nature and fraught with many risks.
These include fuel price volatility, intense
competition and more recently the threat
of terrorism and epidemics that have adversely impacted global travel. There is
also political instability, natural disasters
and an increasingly tight regulatory
environment and KQ is not isolated from
any of these. KQ has expanded its global footprint
across multiple jurisdictions flying to 52
destinations. As a global airline, we are
governed by stringent international
aviation rules that we must adhere to. Strong consumer activism in some
markets like the European Union (EU) has
imposed high costs of operations in cases
of schedule interruptions. But it has not always been doom and
gloom. Over the last decade, Kenya
Airways worked hard to successfully shed
the image of an ailing airline dependent
on government lifeline. Since it was privatised in the late 1990s,
the airline grew rapidly, lifted by strong
fundamentals and embracing a culture of
competitiveness and innovation. Before
the current spate of challenges, KQ was
one of the most profitable airlines even earning the ‘Most Respected Company in
East Africa’ accolade. Are we in debt? Yes we are. Is this
normal for airlines? Most certainly. The
question is one of balance for both long
term and short term debt. Long term debt
is the norm for financing asset
acquisition together with equity. In the short term, we are experiencing a tight
liquidity position driven by our business
environment. Were we too ambitious in our plans? Only
time will tell. KQ from 2002 to 2011 grew
from a turnover of Sh25 billion to over
Sh100 billion, in the same period. It only
made a loss in 2009. Against this
backdrop, the Board embarked on a second phase of growth and renewal with
mixed results thus far. Operationally, we have seen significant
improvements over the last two years
both in on time performance and service.
In the last month though, we have had
significant disruptions to our schedule
integrity which has regrettably impacted our loyal customers for two reasons. Firstly, the change of schedule due to the
runway closure and attendant internal
adjustments we have had to make. Secondly, we have had labour relations
issues with some of our pilot community
which in some instances has led to last
minute flight cancellations or delays. So, whereas KQ may today be grappling
with challenges, what is important is that
we stay focused in delivering on the
wider promise. What matters most is the
measures instituted to put the business
on a recovery path and ultimately on a sound footing.

The pilots will kill KQ..
5 days to the EGM


This matter should be sorted out once and for all if not the pilots will do it again and again...The interedting bit is just a section of them others reported to work as normal and others did extra hours...It's a clique.


Why can't they fire them, ground the airline for let's say 1 month and hire afresh

Indeed. They could also be paid pro rated salary per trip. So, no shows without due cause leads to personal income loss

Michael Joseph & Sebastian I thank you. Wish Ngunze had listened to some of our suggestions
http://www.businessdaily...7184-5v1e2nz/index.html[/quote]

The restructuring that Musila and co were busy rushing to implement before Sebastian came in is also being looked into...He feels it was shoddily done...d'oh!


Everything will be laid bare. No more noise from the pilots again.It is good to see they sat down after the brief disruption.There was no need to refuse them these benefits since some of them do not even utilise the medical benefits. In any case, there are packages out there in the market which KQ can soource competitively and hence value for money.

chiaroscuro
#8349 Posted : Wednesday, August 23, 2017 12:20:40 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 2/2/2012
Posts: 1,134
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Share price facing downward pressure

Downward pressure wapi jamaa


And it came to pass KQ down 10 cents today

Usizubae na hio 10 cents kaka.. This thing has been misunderstood by very many people and part of it links back to KQs board refusal to shed light on the book closure date for the Open Offer.

Personally I believe that cartels may be allowed to sneak inside post restructuring and post consolidation ala Mobitelea.

Notwithstanding KES 8.52 will be printed and shall be the new floor, with no upper LIMIT!!!



8.52 is far away from 4.65... something major needs to happen to support such a jump. So far, nothing is impending.
VituVingiSana
#8350 Posted : Wednesday, August 23, 2017 12:56:33 PM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,055
Location: Nairobi
So I understand this... [Purely for curiosity and not as an investment]

For minority shareholders:
KQ will issue 19 deferred (useless) shares for each existing share.
KQ will then cancel the deferred shares post-restructuring.
KQ will then consolidate 4 of the existing KQ shares into 1

So a (minority) shareholder will 1,000 shares will end up with 250 shares. Current price 4.50 so a 4,500 (1,000 x 4.50) value today will be worth 2,130 (8.52 x 250) post-restructuring.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
chiaroscuro
#8351 Posted : Wednesday, August 23, 2017 1:00:09 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 2/2/2012
Posts: 1,134
Location: Nairobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
So I understand this... [Purely for curiosity and not as an investment]

For minority shareholders:
KQ will issue 19 deferred (useless) shares for each existing share.
KQ will then cancel the deferred shares post-restructuring.
KQ will then consolidate 4 of the existing KQ shares into 1

So a (minority) shareholder will 1,000 shares will end up with 250 shares. Current price 4.50 so a 4,500 (1,000 x 4.50) value today will be worth 2,130 (8.52 x 250) post-restructuring.



These convoluted transactions never end well for investors!
muandiwambeu
#8352 Posted : Wednesday, August 23, 2017 1:24:00 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 8/28/2015
Posts: 1,247
VituVingiSana wrote:
So I understand this... [Purely for curiosity and not as an investment]

For minority shareholders:
KQ will issue 19 deferred (useless) shares for each existing share.
KQ will then cancel the deferred shares post-restructuring.
KQ will then consolidate 4 of the existing KQ shares into 1with a nomial value of 1bob all the way from 5*4

So a (minority) shareholder will 1,000 shares will end up with 250 shares. Current price 4.50 so a 4,500 (1,000 x 4.50) value today will be worth 2,130 (8.52 x 250) post-restructuring.

@vvs, point on. I have made xtimes attempts to put this to light but vehement prayers of @obiero saw all my well wrote posts flops.

This co will be worth only the injected capital to minority shareholders plus a minis-cue of the itch the gova would suffer for loss of its strategic interests. the rest is panganga
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
obiero
#8353 Posted : Wednesday, August 23, 2017 3:04:02 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,475
Location: nairobi
muandiwambeu wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
So I understand this... [Purely for curiosity and not as an investment]

For minority shareholders:
KQ will issue 19 deferred (useless) shares for each existing share.
KQ will then cancel the deferred shares post-restructuring.
KQ will then consolidate 4 of the existing KQ shares into 1with a nomial value of 1bob all the way from 5*4

So a (minority) shareholder will 1,000 shares will end up with 250 shares. Current price 4.50 so a 4,500 (1,000 x 4.50) value today will be worth 2,130 (8.52 x 250) post-restructuring.

@vvs, point on. I have made xtimes attempts to put this to light but vehement prayers of @obiero saw all my well wrote posts flops.

This co will be worth only the injected capital to minority shareholders plus a minis-cue of the itch the gova would suffer for loss of its strategic interests. the rest is panganga

@vvs ametumwa?? where's the Open Offer option in your projection

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
VituVingiSana
#8354 Posted : Wednesday, August 23, 2017 4:16:57 PM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,055
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
So I understand this... [Purely for curiosity and not as an investment]

For minority shareholders:
KQ will issue 19 deferred (useless) shares for each existing share.
KQ will then cancel the deferred shares post-restructuring.
KQ will then consolidate 4 of the existing KQ shares into 1with a nomial value of 1bob all the way from 5*4

So a (minority) shareholder will 1,000 shares will end up with 250 shares. Current price 4.50 so a 4,500 (1,000 x 4.50) value today will be worth 2,130 (8.52 x 250) post-restructuring.

@vvs, point on. I have made xtimes attempts to put this to light but vehement prayers of @obiero saw all my well wrote posts flops.

This co will be worth only the injected capital to minority shareholders plus a minis-cue of the itch the gova would suffer for loss of its strategic interests. the rest is panganga

@vvs ametumwa?? where's the Open Offer option in your projection


Please explain how the Open Offer will work for the MINORITY shareholders.

If the MINORITY shareholders pay 2.13/pre-consolidation share then isn't is the same as 8.52/post-consolidation share?

If I chose to "gamble" on KQ, I would buy the pre-consolidation shares at 2.13 instead of those at 4.50 (as traded on the market).

I wish other suppliers e.g. Rugendo [Pick 'n Peel] were also forced to take shares instead of being paid off in cash! After all, the more suppliers who are shareholders, the better off KQ is since there's better corporate governance and the need for cash(flow) reduces.

BTW, I wish KQ the best so that @VVS (Taxpayer) stops subsidizing KQ!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Impunity
#8355 Posted : Wednesday, August 23, 2017 4:22:48 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,325
Location: Masada
Am glad I got my haircut at kes 4.60.
I will be back sub 2 bob.
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

obiero
#8356 Posted : Wednesday, August 23, 2017 4:25:07 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,475
Location: nairobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
So I understand this... [Purely for curiosity and not as an investment]

For minority shareholders:
KQ will issue 19 deferred (useless) shares for each existing share.
KQ will then cancel the deferred shares post-restructuring.
KQ will then consolidate 4 of the existing KQ shares into 1with a nomial value of 1bob all the way from 5*4

So a (minority) shareholder will 1,000 shares will end up with 250 shares. Current price 4.50 so a 4,500 (1,000 x 4.50) value today will be worth 2,130 (8.52 x 250) post-restructuring.

@vvs, point on. I have made xtimes attempts to put this to light but vehement prayers of @obiero saw all my well wrote posts flops.

This co will be worth only the injected capital to minority shareholders plus a minis-cue of the itch the gova would suffer for loss of its strategic interests. the rest is panganga

@vvs ametumwa?? where's the Open Offer option in your projection


Please explain how the Open Offer will work for the MINORITY shareholders.

If the MINORITY shareholders pay 2.13/pre-consolidation share then isn't is the same as 8.52/post-consolidation share?

If I chose to "gamble" on KQ, I would buy the pre-consolidation shares at 2.13 instead of those at 4.50 (as traded on the market).

I wish other suppliers e.g. Rugendo [Pick 'n Peel] were also forced to take shares instead of being paid off in cash! After all, the more suppliers who are shareholders, the better off KQ is since there's better corporate governance and the need for cash(flow) reduces.

BTW, I wish KQ the best so that @VVS (Taxpayer) stops subsidizing KQ!

The Open Offer is only for the MINORITY shareholders since KQ Lenders Co Ltd, KLM, GoK and tentatively ESOP will sit it out as stated in the Project Safari circular. Now, for the minority shareholders, the Open Offer will be an invitation to reduce the dilution effects. In my view the tactics of deffered shares will not apply to the minority shareholders but rather an outright offer of 2:1 at KES 1.80 per new share.. With the nominal value of existing shares being the same as the post consolidation nominal share value of the majority shareholders

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
obiero
#8357 Posted : Wednesday, August 23, 2017 4:44:10 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,475
Location: nairobi
chiaroscuro wrote:
obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Share price facing downward pressure

Downward pressure wapi jamaa


And it came to pass KQ down 10 cents today

Usizubae na hio 10 cents kaka.. This thing has been misunderstood by very many people and part of it links back to KQs board refusal to shed light on the book closure date for the Open Offer.

Personally I believe that cartels may be allowed to sneak inside post restructuring and post consolidation ala Mobitelea.

Notwithstanding KES 8.52 will be printed and shall be the new floor, with no upper LIMIT!!!



8.52 is far away from 4.65... something major needs to happen to support such a jump. So far, nothing is impending.

This shall be a surprise move that will catch many flat footed.. 01.09.2017 is the new date to watch https://qz.com/1059396/k...ic-air-travel-in-africa/

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
sparkly
#8358 Posted : Wednesday, August 23, 2017 6:44:50 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
So I understand this... [Purely for curiosity and not as an investment]

For minority shareholders:
KQ will issue 19 deferred (useless) shares for each existing share.
KQ will then cancel the deferred shares post-restructuring.
KQ will then consolidate 4 of the existing KQ shares into 1with a nomial value of 1bob all the way from 5*4

So a (minority) shareholder will 1,000 shares will end up with 250 shares. Current price 4.50 so a 4,500 (1,000 x 4.50) value today will be worth 2,130 (8.52 x 250) post-restructuring.

@vvs, point on. I have made xtimes attempts to put this to light but vehement prayers of @obiero saw all my well wrote posts flops.

This co will be worth only the injected capital to minority shareholders plus a minis-cue of the itch the gova would suffer for loss of its strategic interests. the rest is panganga

@vvs ametumwa?? where's the Open Offer option in your projection


Please explain how the Open Offer will work for the MINORITY shareholders.

If the MINORITY shareholders pay 2.13/pre-consolidation share then isn't is the same as 8.52/post-consolidation share?

If I chose to "gamble" on KQ, I would buy the pre-consolidation shares at 2.13 instead of those at 4.50 (as traded on the market).

I wish other suppliers e.g. Rugendo [Pick 'n Peel] were also forced to take shares instead of being paid off in cash! After all, the more suppliers who are shareholders, the better off KQ is since there's better corporate governance and the need for cash(flow) reduces.

BTW, I wish KQ the best so that @VVS (Taxpayer) stops subsidizing KQ!

The Open Offer is only for the MINORITY shareholders since KQ Lenders Co Ltd, KLM, GoK and tentatively ESOP will sit it out as stated in the Project Safari circular. Now, for the minority shareholders, the Open Offer will be an invitation to reduce the dilution effects. In my view the tactics of deffered shares will not apply to the minority shareholders but rather an outright offer of 2:1 at KES 1.80 per new share.. With the nominal value of existing shares being the same as the post consolidation nominal share value of the majority shareholders


All this flowerly language sprinkled with intelligent sounding financial jargon.

Bottomline is that minority shareholders are f***ed a good one. They will not need another f*** for the next 20 years.
Life is short. Live passionately.
obiero
#8359 Posted : Wednesday, August 23, 2017 8:42:58 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,475
Location: nairobi
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
So I understand this... [Purely for curiosity and not as an investment]

For minority shareholders:
KQ will issue 19 deferred (useless) shares for each existing share.
KQ will then cancel the deferred shares post-restructuring.
KQ will then consolidate 4 of the existing KQ shares into 1with a nomial value of 1bob all the way from 5*4

So a (minority) shareholder will 1,000 shares will end up with 250 shares. Current price 4.50 so a 4,500 (1,000 x 4.50) value today will be worth 2,130 (8.52 x 250) post-restructuring.

@vvs, point on. I have made xtimes attempts to put this to light but vehement prayers of @obiero saw all my well wrote posts flops.

This co will be worth only the injected capital to minority shareholders plus a minis-cue of the itch the gova would suffer for loss of its strategic interests. the rest is panganga

@vvs ametumwa?? where's the Open Offer option in your projection


Please explain how the Open Offer will work for the MINORITY shareholders.

If the MINORITY shareholders pay 2.13/pre-consolidation share then isn't is the same as 8.52/post-consolidation share?

If I chose to "gamble" on KQ, I would buy the pre-consolidation shares at 2.13 instead of those at 4.50 (as traded on the market).

I wish other suppliers e.g. Rugendo [Pick 'n Peel] were also forced to take shares instead of being paid off in cash! After all, the more suppliers who are shareholders, the better off KQ is since there's better corporate governance and the need for cash(flow) reduces.

BTW, I wish KQ the best so that @VVS (Taxpayer) stops subsidizing KQ!

The Open Offer is only for the MINORITY shareholders since KQ Lenders Co Ltd, KLM, GoK and tentatively ESOP will sit it out as stated in the Project Safari circular. Now, for the minority shareholders, the Open Offer will be an invitation to reduce the dilution effects. In my view the tactics of deffered shares will not apply to the minority shareholders but rather an outright offer of 2:1 at KES 1.80 per new share.. With the nominal value of existing shares being the same as the post consolidation nominal share value of the majority shareholders


All this flowerly language sprinkled with intelligent sounding financial jargon.

Bottomline is that minority shareholders are f***ed a good one. They will not need another f*** for the next 20 years.

Hahaha.. Yenyewe the drop has been nerve wracking, but good thing is that KQ should not be trading at such levels with positive working capital, operating profit, revenue in excess of 100B.. And when the bottom line turns to black in the next few months, only Jesus knows how high we shall fly.. The share remains one that should not be traded by those of faint heart. Personally, I have said it here over and over, I am kamikaze on KQ

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
Ericsson
#8360 Posted : Wednesday, August 23, 2017 8:55:52 PM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,639
Location: NAIROBI
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
So I understand this... [Purely for curiosity and not as an investment]

For minority shareholders:
KQ will issue 19 deferred (useless) shares for each existing share.
KQ will then cancel the deferred shares post-restructuring.
KQ will then consolidate 4 of the existing KQ shares into 1with a nomial value of 1bob all the way from 5*4

So a (minority) shareholder will 1,000 shares will end up with 250 shares. Current price 4.50 so a 4,500 (1,000 x 4.50) value today will be worth 2,130 (8.52 x 250) post-restructuring.

@vvs, point on. I have made xtimes attempts to put this to light but vehement prayers of @obiero saw all my well wrote posts flops.

This co will be worth only the injected capital to minority shareholders plus a minis-cue of the itch the gova would suffer for loss of its strategic interests. the rest is panganga

@vvs ametumwa?? where's the Open Offer option in your projection


Please explain how the Open Offer will work for the MINORITY shareholders.

If the MINORITY shareholders pay 2.13/pre-consolidation share then isn't is the same as 8.52/post-consolidation share?

If I chose to "gamble" on KQ, I would buy the pre-consolidation shares at 2.13 instead of those at 4.50 (as traded on the market).

I wish other suppliers e.g. Rugendo [Pick 'n Peel] were also forced to take shares instead of being paid off in cash! After all, the more suppliers who are shareholders, the better off KQ is since there's better corporate governance and the need for cash(flow) reduces.

BTW, I wish KQ the best so that @VVS (Taxpayer) stops subsidizing KQ!

The Open Offer is only for the MINORITY shareholders since KQ Lenders Co Ltd, KLM, GoK and tentatively ESOP will sit it out as stated in the Project Safari circular. Now, for the minority shareholders, the Open Offer will be an invitation to reduce the dilution effects. In my view the tactics of deffered shares will not apply to the minority shareholders but rather an outright offer of 2:1 at KES 1.80 per new share.. With the nominal value of existing shares being the same as the post consolidation nominal share value of the majority shareholders


All this flowerly language sprinkled with intelligent sounding financial jargon.

Bottomline is that minority shareholders are f***ed a good one. They will not need another f*** for the next 20 years.

Hahaha.. Yenyewe the drop has been nerve wracking, but good thing is that KQ should not be trading at such levels with positive working capital, operating profit, revenue in excess of 100B.. And when the bottom line turns to black in the next few months, only Jesus knows how high we shall fly.. The share remains one that should not be traded by those of faint heart. Personally, I have said it here over and over, I am kamikaze on KQ


Eeeh eeeh KQ is the most indebted company second only to GoK.
I would want to see how they will manage their debts
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Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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