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Impunity
#5401 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2016 7:17:36 PM
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ArrestedDev wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:


August is considered as a peak period, the ticket prices are high. He is not telling us when was the booking done. Hersi manages a hotel and how much does he charge during the peak season. Jambojet is there to make money. This kind of whining is uncalled for.

Agreed but Hersi has a point. If the rates he quotes are correct then 29k for a one-way economy flight is ridiculous!


Last minute bookings, no mercy at all.


What do you think a guy charged 29K one way is going to say out there?
He will advised another 10 guys against using the "low cost" Jambo Jet...Low cost should try to remain low cost al all cost, even if the booking is made late like how...
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obiero
#5402 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2016 7:39:27 PM
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Posts: 13,475
Location: nairobi
Impunity wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:


August is considered as a peak period, the ticket prices are high. He is not telling us when was the booking done. Hersi manages a hotel and how much does he charge during the peak season. Jambojet is there to make money. This kind of whining is uncalled for.

Agreed but Hersi has a point. If the rates he quotes are correct then 29k for a one-way economy flight is ridiculous!


Last minute bookings, no mercy at all.


What do you think a guy charged 29K one way is going to say out there?
He will advised another 10 guys against using the "low cost" Jambo Jet...Low cost should try to remain low cost al all cost, even if the booking is made late like how...

LOL. In the same plane there is a chap who paid KES 6,500.. Tuwache drama

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
VituVingiSana
#5403 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2016 8:51:06 PM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,057
Location: Nairobi
Impunity wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:


August is considered as a peak period, the ticket prices are high. He is not telling us when was the booking done. Hersi manages a hotel and how much does he charge during the peak season. Jambojet is there to make money. This kind of whining is uncalled for.

Agreed but Hersi has a point. If the rates he quotes are correct then 29k for a one-way economy flight is ridiculous!


Last minute bookings, no mercy at all.


What do you think a guy charged 29K one way is going to say out there?
He will advised another 10 guys against using the "low cost" Jambo Jet...Low cost should try to remain low cost al all cost, even if the booking is made late like how...

His buddies will still fly JJ but they will book earlier...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
sparkly
#5404 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2016 8:59:37 PM
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Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
Impunity wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:


August is considered as a peak period, the ticket prices are high. He is not telling us when was the booking done. Hersi manages a hotel and how much does he charge during the peak season. Jambojet is there to make money. This kind of whining is uncalled for.

Agreed but Hersi has a point. If the rates he quotes are correct then 29k for a one-way economy flight is ridiculous!


Last minute bookings, no mercy at all.


What do you think a guy charged 29K one way is going to say out there?
He will advised another 10 guys against using the "low cost" Jambo Jet...Low cost should try to remain low cost al all cost, even if the booking is made late like how...

His buddies will still fly JJ but they will book earlier...


All flights were booked by lawyers going for the annual south migration (LSK annual retreat).

JJ made money. The hotels in south coast made money. Why is he complaining? Is the money made from the lawyers inferior to the white man's dollar/pound?
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moneydust
#5405 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2016 11:16:09 AM
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KQ enters bus transport business

Talk of losing focus...
Ebenyo
#5406 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2016 11:41:35 AM
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Posts: 1,996
Location: Kitale
[quote=moneydust]KQ enters bus transport business

Talk of losing focus...[/quote

Kq shareholders should not interpret this as good news.
The shuttles have been bought on loans as the company is on negative equity.That means an increase on finance costs which currently stands at 7 bilion.
It also means there will be an increase on long term debts which currently stands at 113 billion.
Worse still,there is the operational deficit of 30 bilion which is serviced by expensive overdrafts and short term borrowings.
Therefore any gain made here will be wiped out by finance costs.
If you talk about seeing a walking corpse somewhere,i will believe you based on kq company.
Towards the goal of financial freedom
obiero
#5407 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2016 12:23:05 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,475
Location: nairobi
Ebenyo wrote:
[quote=moneydust]KQ enters bus transport business

Talk of losing focus...[/quote

Kq shareholders should not interpret this as good news.
The shuttles have been bought on loans as the company is on negative equity.That means an increase on finance costs which currently stands at 7 bilion.
It also means there will be an increase on long term debts which currently stands at 113 billion.
Worse still,there is the operational deficit of 30 bilion which is serviced by expensive overdrafts and short term borrowings.
Therefore any gain made here will be wiped out by finance costs.
If you talk about seeing a walking corpse somewhere,i will believe you based on kq company.

Poor idea

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
VituVingiSana
#5408 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2016 12:23:54 PM
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Posts: 18,057
Location: Nairobi
moneydust wrote:
KQ enters bus transport business

Talk of losing focus...

They will not buy the buses but lease (or outsource) them. I have used "JJ" buses in Mombasa and Eldoret. They are much cheaper than using taxis.

From Castle to MIA was 250/- (or so). A cab would be 1,000/-
From Eld Airport to town was 200/- (or so). A cab would be 1,700/-

The only downside I see is the limited services they offer. The buses should be available every 30-60 mins to/from JKIA.


Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
ArrestedDev
#5409 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2016 12:30:07 PM
Rank: Member


Joined: 5/29/2016
Posts: 898
Location: Nairobi
Ebenyo wrote:
[quote=moneydust]KQ enters bus transport business

Talk of losing focus...[/quote

Kq shareholders should not interpret this as good news.
The shuttles have been bought on loans as the company is on negative equity.That means an increase on finance costs which currently stands at 7 bilion.
It also means there will be an increase on long term debts which currently stands at 113 billion.
Worse still,there is the operational deficit of 30 bilion which is serviced by expensive overdrafts and short term borrowings.
Therefore any gain made here will be wiped out by finance costs.
If you talk about seeing a walking corpse somewhere,i will believe you based on kq company.


Yeah, you can see the quality of business decisions being made by Ngunze. This kind of service should be reserved for Jambojet only. Ideally, KQ should have their own complementary limo service for business class pax and not this kind of 'matatu' business idea. Even if the buses are leased it will result in further obligations and complexity in managing the proceeds. They should focus on Cargo operations, a larger capacity freighter coupled with cargo charges review will do a great service for the company.
maka
#5410 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2016 12:33:53 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
ArrestedDev wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
[quote=moneydust]KQ enters bus transport business

Talk of losing focus...[/quote

Kq shareholders should not interpret this as good news.
The shuttles have been bought on loans as the company is on negative equity.That means an increase on finance costs which currently stands at 7 bilion.
It also means there will be an increase on long term debts which currently stands at 113 billion.
Worse still,there is the operational deficit of 30 bilion which is serviced by expensive overdrafts and short term borrowings.
Therefore any gain made here will be wiped out by finance costs.
If you talk about seeing a walking corpse somewhere,i will believe you based on kq company.


Yeah, you can see the quality of business decisions being made by Ngunze. This kind of service should be reserved for Jambojet only. Ideally, KQ should have their own complementary limo service for business class pax and not this kind of 'matatu' business idea. Even if the buses are leased it will result in further obligations and complexity in managing the proceeds. They should focus on Cargo operations, a larger capacity freighter coupled with cargo charges review will do a great service for the company.


Transfers and karibu?They already have a service similar to this...they can always meet and greet you, get you a cab plus book a hotel for you for a fee ofcourse...
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ArrestedDev
#5411 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2016 12:52:58 PM
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Joined: 5/29/2016
Posts: 898
Location: Nairobi
maka wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
[quote=moneydust]KQ enters bus transport business

Talk of losing focus...[/quote

Kq shareholders should not interpret this as good news.
The shuttles have been bought on loans as the company is on negative equity.That means an increase on finance costs which currently stands at 7 bilion.
It also means there will be an increase on long term debts which currently stands at 113 billion.
Worse still,there is the operational deficit of 30 bilion which is serviced by expensive overdrafts and short term borrowings.
Therefore any gain made here will be wiped out by finance costs.
If you talk about seeing a walking corpse somewhere,i will believe you based on kq company.


Yeah, you can see the quality of business decisions being made by Ngunze. This kind of service should be reserved for Jambojet only. Ideally, KQ should have their own complementary limo service for business class pax and not this kind of 'matatu' business idea. Even if the buses are leased it will result in further obligations and complexity in managing the proceeds. They should focus on Cargo operations, a larger capacity freighter coupled with cargo charges review will do a great service for the company.


Transfers and karibu?They already have a service similar to this...they can always meet and greet you, get you a cab plus book a hotel for you for a fee ofcourse...


No. What I mean is Chauffeur-drive exclusively for business class passengers. This is where the money is especially for NBO inbound foreign customers.
moneydust
#5412 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2016 12:53:25 PM
Rank: Member


Joined: 1/31/2007
Posts: 303
Ebenyo wrote:
[quote=moneydust]KQ enters bus transport business

Talk of losing focus...[/quote

Kq shareholders should not interpret this as good news.
The shuttles have been bought on loans as the company is on negative equity.That means an increase on finance costs which currently stands at 7 bilion.
It also means there will be an increase on long term debts which currently stands at 113 billion.
Worse still,there is the operational deficit of 30 bilion which is serviced by expensive overdrafts and short term borrowings.
Therefore any gain made here will be wiped out by finance costs.
If you talk about seeing a walking corpse somewhere,i will believe you based on kq company.



This business is a non starter. It's basically throwing good money.
maka
#5413 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2016 1:00:40 PM
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Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
ArrestedDev wrote:
maka wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
[quote=moneydust]KQ enters bus transport business

Talk of losing focus...[/quote

Kq shareholders should not interpret this as good news.
The shuttles have been bought on loans as the company is on negative equity.That means an increase on finance costs which currently stands at 7 bilion.
It also means there will be an increase on long term debts which currently stands at 113 billion.
Worse still,there is the operational deficit of 30 bilion which is serviced by expensive overdrafts and short term borrowings.
Therefore any gain made here will be wiped out by finance costs.
If you talk about seeing a walking corpse somewhere,i will believe you based on kq company.


Yeah, you can see the quality of business decisions being made by Ngunze. This kind of service should be reserved for Jambojet only. Ideally, KQ should have their own complementary limo service for business class pax and not this kind of 'matatu' business idea. Even if the buses are leased it will result in further obligations and complexity in managing the proceeds. They should focus on Cargo operations, a larger capacity freighter coupled with cargo charges review will do a great service for the company.


Transfers and karibu?They already have a service similar to this...they can always meet and greet you, get you a cab plus book a hotel for you for a fee ofcourse...


No. What I mean is Chauffeur-drive exclusively for business class passengers. This is where the money is especially for NBO inbound foreign customers.


They were getting a car from DT Dobie specifically for this and it will be open to anyone not only business class passengers...It was one of the initiatives to increase revenue.
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Ebenyo
#5414 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2016 1:34:03 PM
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Joined: 4/4/2016
Posts: 1,996
Location: Kitale
maka wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
[quote=Ebenyo][quote=moneydust]KQ enters bus transport business

Talk of losing focus...[/quote

Kq shareholders should not interpret this as good news.
The shuttles have been bought on loans as the company is on negative equity.That means an increase on finance costs which currently stands at 7 bilion.
It also means there will be an increase on long term debts which currently stands at 113 billion.
Worse still,there is the operational deficit of 30 bilion which is serviced by expensive overdrafts and short term borrowings.
Therefore any gain made here will be wiped out by finance costs.
If you talk about seeing a walking corpse somewhere,i will believe you based on kq company.


Yeah, you can see the quality of business decisions being made by Ngunze. This kind of service should be reserved for Jambojet only. Ideally, KQ should have their own complementary limo service for business class pax and not this kind of 'matatu' business idea. Even if the buses are leased it will result in further obligations and complexity in managing the proceeds. They should focus on Cargo operations, a larger capacity freighter coupled with cargo charges review will do a great service for the company.

......................

@maka,thanks for accepting postive criticism.My cousin is subjective.He has emotionaly attached himself with a vampire and he wont accept to be told the truth.
My comments are based on the FY 2016.If they are poor,it means the results were poor which is true.
Even if the buses are leased,it wont bring any significant change to kq books.
They sold very many assets in the last FY.What we saw in the results was only ksh 6 bilion.So from the buses,what will reflect in the books? i dont think it will reach even 500 milion.This will not help the current deficit.
I have insisted here that what kq needs is urgent cash injection of kshs 30 bilion.That will wipe out the deficit.It will result into a pretax profit of 4 bilion.If this does not happen,shareholders should wait for atleast the next 5 years for the company to make a net profit.




Towards the goal of financial freedom
obiero
#5415 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2016 2:09:35 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,475
Location: nairobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
moneydust wrote:
KQ enters bus transport business

Talk of losing focus...

They will not buy the buses but lease (or outsource) them. I have used "JJ" buses in Mombasa and Eldoret. They are much cheaper than using taxis.

From Castle to MIA was 250/- (or so). A cab would be 1,000/-
From Eld Airport to town was 200/- (or so). A cab would be 1,700/-

The only downside I see is the limited services they offer. The buses should be available every 30-60 mins to/from JKIA.



JJ and KQ must not apply the same logic

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
Impunity
#5416 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2016 2:12:09 PM
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Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,325
Location: Masada
obiero wrote:
Impunity wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:


August is considered as a peak period, the ticket prices are high. He is not telling us when was the booking done. Hersi manages a hotel and how much does he charge during the peak season. Jambojet is there to make money. This kind of whining is uncalled for.

Agreed but Hersi has a point. If the rates he quotes are correct then 29k for a one-way economy flight is ridiculous!


Last minute bookings, no mercy at all.


What do you think a guy charged 29K one way is going to say out there?
He will advised another 10 guys against using the "low cost" Jambo Jet...Low cost should try to remain low cost al all cost, even if the booking is made late like how...

LOL. In the same plane there is a chap who paid KES 6,500.. Tuwache drama


The real low costs like EasyJet and Southwest don't have such sickening price variation's even if one would have to hope in the aircraft from sleep to airport.
I am afraid but the system of ticketing being used JJ is more or less the same as the Legacy airlines...if not not worse.
I don't think even KQ will charge you 29K one way to Mombasa...in economy class!?
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

Impunity
#5417 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2016 2:24:24 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,325
Location: Masada
Ebenyo wrote:
maka wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
[quote=Ebenyo][quote=moneydust]KQ enters bus transport business

Talk of losing focus...[/quote

Kq shareholders should not interpret this as good news.
The shuttles have been bought on loans as the company is on negative equity.That means an increase on finance costs which currently stands at 7 bilion.
It also means there will be an increase on long term debts which currently stands at 113 billion.
Worse still,there is the operational deficit of 30 bilion which is serviced by expensive overdrafts and short term borrowings.
Therefore any gain made here will be wiped out by finance costs.
If you talk about seeing a walking corpse somewhere,i will believe you based on kq company.


Yeah, you can see the quality of business decisions being made by Ngunze. This kind of service should be reserved for Jambojet only. Ideally, KQ should have their own complementary limo service for business class pax and not this kind of 'matatu' business idea. Even if the buses are leased it will result in further obligations and complexity in managing the proceeds. They should focus on Cargo operations, a larger capacity freighter coupled with cargo charges review will do a great service for the company.

......................

@maka,thanks for accepting postive criticism.My cousin is subjective.He has emotionaly attached himself with a vampire and he wont accept to be told the truth.
My comments are based on the FY 2016.If they are poor,it means the results were poor which is true.
Even if the buses are leased,it wont bring any significant change to kq books.
They sold very many assets in the last FY.What we saw in the results was only ksh 6 bilion.So from the buses,what will reflect in the books? i dont think it will reach even 500 milion.This will not help the current deficit.
I have insisted here that what kq needs is urgent cash injection of kshs 30 bilion.That will wipe out the deficit.It will result into a pretax profit of 4 bilion.If this does not happen,shareholders should wait for atleast the next 5 years for the company to make a net profit.



You guys are shallow...who told you KQ is going to buy a fleet of buses or matt us for that matter?
If you look at the schedule of the shuttle you realise this just gonna be one shuttle,preferably Rosa Minibus.
That would not cost more than 7 million shillings including kick backs.
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

ArrestedDev
#5418 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2016 2:24:42 PM
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Joined: 5/29/2016
Posts: 898
Location: Nairobi
maka wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
maka wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
[quote=moneydust]KQ enters bus transport business

Talk of losing focus...[/quote

Kq shareholders should not interpret this as good news.
The shuttles have been bought on loans as the company is on negative equity.That means an increase on finance costs which currently stands at 7 bilion.
It also means there will be an increase on long term debts which currently stands at 113 billion.
Worse still,there is the operational deficit of 30 bilion which is serviced by expensive overdrafts and short term borrowings.
Therefore any gain made here will be wiped out by finance costs.
If you talk about seeing a walking corpse somewhere,i will believe you based on kq company.


Yeah, you can see the quality of business decisions being made by Ngunze. This kind of service should be reserved for Jambojet only. Ideally, KQ should have their own complementary limo service for business class pax and not this kind of 'matatu' business idea. Even if the buses are leased it will result in further obligations and complexity in managing the proceeds. They should focus on Cargo operations, a larger capacity freighter coupled with cargo charges review will do a great service for the company.


Transfers and karibu?They already have a service similar to this...they can always meet and greet you, get you a cab plus book a hotel for you for a fee ofcourse...


No. What I mean is Chauffeur-drive exclusively for business class passengers. This is where the money is especially for NBO inbound foreign customers.


They were getting a car from DT Dobie specifically for this and it will be open to anyone not only business class passengers...It was one of the initiatives to increase revenue.


I doubt if it will have any impact. Is uber more than Kshs. 1,000 from JKIA to Town? The recent price cuts effected, what does it mean for such a service?
ArrestedDev
#5419 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2016 2:32:30 PM
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Joined: 5/29/2016
Posts: 898
Location: Nairobi
Impunity wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
maka wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
[quote=Ebenyo][quote=moneydust]KQ enters bus transport business

Talk of losing focus...[/quote

Kq shareholders should not interpret this as good news.
The shuttles have been bought on loans as the company is on negative equity.That means an increase on finance costs which currently stands at 7 bilion.
It also means there will be an increase on long term debts which currently stands at 113 billion.
Worse still,there is the operational deficit of 30 bilion which is serviced by expensive overdrafts and short term borrowings.
Therefore any gain made here will be wiped out by finance costs.
If you talk about seeing a walking corpse somewhere,i will believe you based on kq company.


Yeah, you can see the quality of business decisions being made by Ngunze. This kind of service should be reserved for Jambojet only. Ideally, KQ should have their own complementary limo service for business class pax and not this kind of 'matatu' business idea. Even if the buses are leased it will result in further obligations and complexity in managing the proceeds. They should focus on Cargo operations, a larger capacity freighter coupled with cargo charges review will do a great service for the company.

......................

@maka,thanks for accepting postive criticism.My cousin is subjective.He has emotionaly attached himself with a vampire and he wont accept to be told the truth.
My comments are based on the FY 2016.If they are poor,it means the results were poor which is true.
Even if the buses are leased,it wont bring any significant change to kq books.
They sold very many assets in the last FY.What we saw in the results was only ksh 6 bilion.So from the buses,what will reflect in the books? i dont think it will reach even 500 milion.This will not help the current deficit.
I have insisted here that what kq needs is urgent cash injection of kshs 30 bilion.That will wipe out the deficit.It will result into a pretax profit of 4 bilion.If this does not happen,shareholders should wait for atleast the next 5 years for the company to make a net profit.



You guys are shallow...who told you KQ is going to buy a fleet of buses or matt us for that matter?
If you look at the schedule of the shuttle you realise this just gonna be one shuttle,preferably Rosa Minibus.
That would not cost more than 7 million shillings including kick backs.


Even Shs. 7 million for a service that does not add value in a cash trapped business is unsound business decision.
maka
#5420 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2016 4:49:15 PM
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Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
Impunity wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
maka wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
[quote=Ebenyo][quote=moneydust]KQ enters bus transport business

Talk of losing focus...[/quote

Kq shareholders should not interpret this as good news.
The shuttles have been bought on loans as the company is on negative equity.That means an increase on finance costs which currently stands at 7 bilion.
It also means there will be an increase on long term debts which currently stands at 113 billion.
Worse still,there is the operational deficit of 30 bilion which is serviced by expensive overdrafts and short term borrowings.
Therefore any gain made here will be wiped out by finance costs.
If you talk about seeing a walking corpse somewhere,i will believe you based on kq company.


Yeah, you can see the quality of business decisions being made by Ngunze. This kind of service should be reserved for Jambojet only. Ideally, KQ should have their own complementary limo service for business class pax and not this kind of 'matatu' business idea. Even if the buses are leased it will result in further obligations and complexity in managing the proceeds. They should focus on Cargo operations, a larger capacity freighter coupled with cargo charges review will do a great service for the company.

......................

@maka,thanks for accepting postive criticism.My cousin is subjective.He has emotionaly attached himself with a vampire and he wont accept to be told the truth.
My comments are based on the FY 2016.If they are poor,it means the results were poor which is true.
Even if the buses are leased,it wont bring any significant change to kq books.
They sold very many assets in the last FY.What we saw in the results was only ksh 6 bilion.So from the buses,what will reflect in the books? i dont think it will reach even 500 milion.This will not help the current deficit.
I have insisted here that what kq needs is urgent cash injection of kshs 30 bilion.That will wipe out the deficit.It will result into a pretax profit of 4 bilion.If this does not happen,shareholders should wait for atleast the next 5 years for the company to make a net profit.



You guys are shallow...who told you KQ is going to buy a fleet of buses or matt us for that matter?
If you look at the schedule of the shuttle you realise this just gonna be one shuttle,preferably Rosa Minibus.
That would not cost more than 7 million shillings including kick backs.


Enyewe we are "shallow"
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