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obiero
#4101 Posted : Tuesday, May 10, 2016 7:12:17 AM
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http://www.businessdaily.../1/-/odo1kq/-/index.html

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
VituVingiSana
#4102 Posted : Tuesday, May 10, 2016 11:23:16 AM
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obiero wrote:
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Opinion-and-Analysis/KQ-pilots-had-better-go-for-lesser-devil-of-redeployment/-/539548/3196710/-/item/1/-/odo1kq/-/index.html


Everybody makes money off KQ but the shareholders.

Boeing.
Rugendo.
Pilots.
Banks.
GoK (taxes).
Crew.
KAA.
Suppliers.
Hotels.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Impunity
#4103 Posted : Tuesday, May 10, 2016 11:28:32 AM
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obiero wrote:
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Opinion-and-Analysis/KQ-pilots-had-better-go-for-lesser-devil-of-redeployment/-/539548/3196710/-/item/1/-/odo1kq/-/index.html



You are really trying to sound sane.
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

VituVingiSana
#4104 Posted : Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:41:35 PM
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@Obiero - You are in luck. Kestrel has 1mn KQ shares for sale at 4.30 but negotiable.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Spikes
#4105 Posted : Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:45:58 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
@Obiero - You are in luck. Kestrel has 1mn KQ shares for sale at 4.30 but negotiable.



@obiero sub 4/- is likely today.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
Impunity
#4106 Posted : Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:57:42 PM
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Spikes wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
@Obiero - You are in luck. Kestrel has 1mn KQ shares for sale at 4.30 but negotiable.



@obiero sub 4/- is likely today.


This is the week of sub-4...then by Madaraka day, my sub-2 bob will be realized.
Anybody buying this stock is either a FOOL or someone trying to wash the Eurobond.

And a fool and his money are soon parted...hizo 106,000 KQ shares worth Kes.400,000 on paper will soon be parted with their foolish (forgive me for using this term) owner.
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

VituVingiSana
#4107 Posted : Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:59:13 PM
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Spikes wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
@Obiero - You are in luck. Kestrel has 1mn KQ shares for sale at 4.30 but negotiable.



@obiero sub 4/- is likely today.

KQ's shares are hotcakes. @Obiero better snap them up before they are gone.

In other news, there's also a large buyer at Kestrel for KK at 10.50 if you want to sell.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#4108 Posted : Tuesday, May 10, 2016 1:05:30 PM
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Impunity wrote:
Spikes wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
@Obiero - You are in luck. Kestrel has 1mn KQ shares for sale at 4.30 but negotiable.



@obiero sub 4/- is likely today.


This is the week of sub-4...then by Madaraka day, my sub-2 bob will be realized.
Anybody buying this stock is either a FOOL or someone trying to wash the Eurobond.

And a fool and his money are soon parted...hizo 106,000 KQ shares worth Kes.400,000 on paper will soon be parted with their foolish (forgive me for using this term) owner.


KQ Year end Mar 2016. I expect another operational loss. A narrower loss may be expected thanks to asset sales.

Williamson Year End Mar 2016. I expect record profits perhaps even EPS of 50/-. A dividend of 40/-.

@Obiero - How many shares in KQ does Mbuvi have?

@Impunity - Why would you even consider buying KQ at 2/-?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Spikes
#4109 Posted : Tuesday, May 10, 2016 1:15:18 PM
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Joined: 9/20/2015
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Location: Mombasa
VituVingiSana wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Spikes wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
@Obiero - You are in luck. Kestrel has 1mn KQ shares for sale at 4.30 but negotiable.



@obiero sub 4/- is likely today.


This is the week of sub-4...then by Madaraka day, my sub-2 bob will be realized.
Anybody buying this stock is either a FOOL or someone trying to wash the Eurobond.

And a fool and his money are soon parted...hizo 106,000 KQ shares worth Kes.400,000 on paper will soon be parted with their foolish (forgive me for using this term) owner.


KQ Year end Mar 2016. I expect another operational loss. A narrower loss may be expected thanks to asset sales.

Williamson Year End Mar 2016. I expect record profits perhaps even EPS of 50/-. A dividend of 40/-.

@Obiero - How many shares in KQ does Mbuvi have?

@Impunity - Why would you even consider buying KQ at 2/-?



@obiero your dreams are shattered, you are now declared finished.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
littledove
#4110 Posted : Tuesday, May 10, 2016 1:33:49 PM
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Joined: 7/1/2014
Posts: 895
Location: sky
Spikes wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Spikes wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
@Obiero - You are in luck. Kestrel has 1mn KQ shares for sale at 4.30 but negotiable.



@obiero sub 4/- is likely today.


This is the week of sub-4...then by Madaraka day, my sub-2 bob will be realized.
Anybody buying this stock is either a FOOL or someone trying to wash the Eurobond.

And a fool and his money are soon parted...hizo 106,000 KQ shares worth Kes.400,000 on paper will soon be parted with their foolish (forgive me for using this term) owner.


KQ Year end Mar 2016. I expect another operational loss. A narrower loss may be expected thanks to asset sales.

Williamson Year End Mar 2016. I expect record profits perhaps even EPS of 50/-. A dividend of 40/-.

@Obiero - How many shares in KQ does Mbuvi have?

@Impunity - Why would you even consider buying KQ at 2/-?



@obiero your dreams are shattered, you are now declared finished.

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
@spikes you are a comedian
There are only two emotions in the stock market, fear and hope. The problem is, you hope when you should fear and fear when you should hope
Impunity
#4111 Posted : Tuesday, May 10, 2016 1:59:25 PM
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Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,325
Location: Masada
VituVingiSana wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Spikes wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
@Obiero - You are in luck. Kestrel has 1mn KQ shares for sale at 4.30 but negotiable.



@obiero sub 4/- is likely today.


This is the week of sub-4...then by Madaraka day, my sub-2 bob will be realized.
Anybody buying this stock is either a FOOL or someone trying to wash the Eurobond.

And a fool and his money are soon parted...hizo 106,000 KQ shares worth Kes.400,000 on paper will soon be parted with their foolish (forgive me for using this term) owner.


KQ Year end Mar 2016. I expect another operational loss. A narrower loss may be expected thanks to asset sales.

Williamson Year End Mar 2016. I expect record profits perhaps even EPS of 50/-. A dividend of 40/-.

@Obiero - How many shares in KQ does Mbuvi have?

@Impunity - Why would you even consider buying KQ at 2/-?


@VVS at sub-2 bob I would simply be buying for souvenir...to keep and compare one day that the share was once hitting 140 shillings but now selling at sub 2 shillings.
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

subaru
#4112 Posted : Tuesday, May 10, 2016 2:00:16 PM
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Joined: 3/15/2010
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Location: nairobie
VituVingiSana wrote:
@Obiero - You are in luck. Kestrel has 1mn KQ shares for sale at 4.30 but negotiable.

3.95 prints
nzalela
#4113 Posted : Tuesday, May 10, 2016 2:01:27 PM
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Joined: 4/11/2016
Posts: 30
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Opinion-and-Analysis/KQ-pilots-had-better-go-for-lesser-devil-of-redeployment/-/539548/3196710/-/item/1/-/odo1kq/-/index.html


It is actually KQ that does not want to let go of the 777 pilots. Mainly 2 reasons.

1. They do not have funds to pay them off now. Some of those pilots have worked 30 years and will need send of package of approximately 20 million. For the total number of 28 Captains that is approximately 560 million bob.

2. The Turkish sublease agreement for the (3) 777-300 and the Oman Air (3)787 is for 3 years after which KQ may get the aircrafts back. That means they may need those captains 3 years down the road. With the current high experience pilot shortage globally they have to be smart or they may end up like Emirates currently grounding aircrafts coz of nil pilots.

So they cant retrench them coz they will need them at some point and they also cant maintain them on payroll coz of the costs. That is why the Ethiopian deal makes sense. Most of the pilots however want to resign get their money and go home but it is difficult seeing that KQ has blocked voluntary early retirement to all staff. There is where the conflict lies.
Impunity
#4114 Posted : Tuesday, May 10, 2016 2:05:16 PM
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Location: Masada
littledove wrote:
Spikes wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Spikes wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
@Obiero - You are in luck. Kestrel has 1mn KQ shares for sale at 4.30 but negotiable.



@obiero sub 4/- is likely today.


This is the week of sub-4...then by Madaraka day, my sub-2 bob will be realized.
Anybody buying this stock is either a FOOL or someone trying to wash the Eurobond.

And a fool and his money are soon parted...hizo 106,000 KQ shares worth Kes.400,000 on paper will soon be parted with their foolish (forgive me for using this term) owner.


KQ Year end Mar 2016. I expect another operational loss. A narrower loss may be expected thanks to asset sales.

Williamson Year End Mar 2016. I expect record profits perhaps even EPS of 50/-. A dividend of 40/-.

@Obiero - How many shares in KQ does Mbuvi have?

@Impunity - Why would you even consider buying KQ at 2/-?



@obiero your dreams are shattered, you are now declared finished.

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
@spikes you are a comedian


What a coincidence...just when he acquired the bland (no pun) new Dreamliners, his DREAMS just got cut short!

Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

VituVingiSana
#4115 Posted : Tuesday, May 10, 2016 2:49:22 PM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,057
Location: Nairobi
subaru wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
@Obiero - You are in luck. Kestrel has 1mn KQ shares for sale at 4.30 but negotiable.

3.95 prints

#SuicideWatch

Where is @cde? I miss his insults re: my stance on KQ. Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#4116 Posted : Tuesday, May 10, 2016 3:21:13 PM
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Location: Nairobi
Emirates Profit Rises 50% on Fuel Windfall, Long-Haul Routes

http://www.bloomberg.com...dfall-long-haul-traffic

"The airline benefited from a 28 percent oil-price drop in the fiscal year after opting not to hedge against crude." Compare this to the fools and crooks at KQ.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
enyands
#4117 Posted : Tuesday, May 10, 2016 3:42:56 PM
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Joined: 12/25/2014
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Emirates Profit Rises 50% on Fuel Windfall, Long-Haul Routes

http://www.bloomberg.com...dfall-long-haul-traffic

"The airline benefited from a 28 percent oil-price drop in the fiscal year after opting not to hedge against crude." Compare this to the fools and crooks at KQ.



Africans need to eat vvs in comparison to the other countries. .I find it foolish and selfish. Former finance boss wants to come back to kq because he was fired unfairly and he was behind all the kq problems. It's foolish man
Impunity
#4118 Posted : Tuesday, May 10, 2016 4:35:23 PM
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nzalela wrote:
obiero wrote:
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Opinion-and-Analysis/KQ-pilots-had-better-go-for-lesser-devil-of-redeployment/-/539548/3196710/-/item/1/-/odo1kq/-/index.html


It is actually KQ that does not want to let go of the 777 pilots. Mainly 2 reasons.

1. They do not have funds to pay them off now. Some of those pilots have worked 30 years and will need send of package of approximately 20 million. For the total number of 28 Captains that is approximately 560 million bob.

2. The Turkish sublease agreement for the (3) 777-300 and the Oman Air (3)787 is for 3 years after which KQ may get the aircrafts back. That means they may need those captains 3 years down the road. With the current high experience pilot shortage globally they have to be smart or they may end up like Emirates currently grounding aircrafts coz of nil pilots.

So they cant retrench them coz they will need them at some point and they also cant maintain them on payroll coz of the costs. That is why the Ethiopian deal makes sense. Most of the pilots however want to resign get their money and go home but it is difficult seeing that KQ has blocked voluntary early retirement to all staff. There is where the conflict lies.


That 20 Million is the employer part of the provident?
So the other personal contribution is more or less 20 million.
So each of the affected pilots could easily take home 40 million?
Then why would a 55 year old pilot need to work again in the dangerous skies?
at 55 he can seat pretty and invest the money in any passive business and still live a fairly comfortable life.
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

obiero
#4119 Posted : Tuesday, May 10, 2016 4:54:38 PM
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Impunity wrote:
Spikes wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
@Obiero - You are in luck. Kestrel has 1mn KQ shares for sale at 4.30 but negotiable.



@obiero sub 4/- is likely today.


This is the week of sub-4...then by Madaraka day, my sub-2 bob will be realized.
Anybody buying this stock is either a FOOL or someone trying to wash the Eurobond.

And a fool and his money are soon parted...hizo 106,000 KQ shares worth Kes.400,000 on paper will soon be parted with their foolish (forgive me for using this term) owner.

Atleast your mum doesnt think of me in that way

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
hisah
#4120 Posted : Tuesday, May 10, 2016 5:54:45 PM
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Prints a new all time low of 3.85. The fight is tough, but slowly the 4.00 handle is cracking. On the charts (daily and weekly) the RSI is still not oversold! The price will likely leak towards 3.00 to 3.50 before the overselling gauges start screaming. The bears have been in full control since March 2015 as per the moving average (SMA20) which has managed to repel any price advances above it.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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