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Njunge
#1 Posted : Tuesday, May 12, 2009 7:34:00 AM
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The power plant is a reality now and the dollars started rolling in yesterday.........Focus now shifts to power alcohol.Thumbs up for Evans.

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Obi 1 Kanobi
#2 Posted : Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:21:00 AM
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More details Njung'e.

With Brazil in mind,I have always thought our Sugar sector is not operating to its potential,does electricity and power alcohol substitute sugar or are the 3 products co-generated.

Whats the optimal production mix.


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Njunge
#3 Posted : Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:26:00 AM
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@Obi,

Sorry for not responding on time..............All the 3 products are cogenerated.Briefly,in a cane factory,optimal production mix for every 1 tonne of sugar cane should give you 100 kg of sugar,100 to150 units of power (KWh) and 10 litres of power alcohol (ethanol).Of the 100-150 power units produced,15% is usually reserved for consumption by the factory and the rest exported to grid..........Money is in both power and ethanol since the initial capital for this plants is small and the plants themselves have minimal maintenance cost......MSC crushes 350 tonnes of cane per hour which accounts for 70% of the kenyan sugar industry capacity per hour.


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Hi-Lo
#4 Posted : Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:54:00 PM
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...even their website popped up yesterday as well...

Hey...Somebody might make a killing out of me...?!
Eddiemundu
#5 Posted : Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:13:00 PM
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@ Njung'e

Mumias are Simply passionate about this Idea but its Contribution to their Revenue Downline is Currently Inconsiquential...at that pace give them 10 more years to realize any Material Profit.. hoping that by that time they wont have gone Belly-Up!

Sample This;

You say these pple Churn 350 Tones of Cane per Hr..so if 1Ton of Cane makes 1Ltr of Chang'aa,it means thery produce 3500 Litres (350 * 10 ) of Alcohol per Hr and so in 24 hrs (assumming 24hrs No-Stop Operation),it means 24hrs*3500ltrs=84,000 ltrs perday & Night. So,monthly production is 84,000ltrs * 30days=2,520,000 litrs per month.Revenue Per month is 2,520,000Ltrs *40 bob/Ltr (assumed)=shs,100,800,000

Annual Revenue (assuming shutdown 3months) 100,800,000*9months=907,000,000shs in Revenue.

Once the above is Taxed at 30% (900m-270m=670m ) EPS contribution is less than .40 cts

So the big Question is,is this Urgument Holding any water??

and is so,do you think this ADDED Profit gives yu the courage to buy Mumias


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Obi 1 Kanobi
#6 Posted : Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:42:00 PM
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@Eddiemundu.

What was the after tax profit for MSC,i bet it was not Sh.6.4B,this means the added revenue from the power alcohol can increase the companies profitability by way over 10% and thats important.

Secondly what was MSC's net cashflow,what do you think would be the impact of all that additional cashflow on MSC's results. How would it impact MSC's ability to service debt,assuming a simple interest of 10%,MSC can borrow an additional Sh.6B for expansion.

What about dividends per share,if MSC decided to pay the cash fom Power alcohol to its shareholders,at the current shareprice of sh.4 this would be a payout of 15% per share.


I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone.
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Wendz
#7 Posted : Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:18:00 PM
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@Eddie

Good trial.... Now,do your calculation again and include the kilowatts,possible benefits from economies of scale. That could get us closer to a better EPS. Add the possible favourable increase in market perception of the company's diversification - and lets the estimated market share price...

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#8 Posted : Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:42:00 PM
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@eddie,you have not factored in the carbon credits MSC will get. I don't have the figures off head,but they will make a significant contribution to the bottom line.
simonkabz
#9 Posted : Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:56:00 PM
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...plus reduced expenses...read no more elec costs. @eddie,thats quite a lot of cash man,why the skepticism? I just didnt get ua point.

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virji1988
#10 Posted : Tuesday, May 12, 2009 7:44:00 PM
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so is it worth it to buy at 4.3sh?
Njunge
#11 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:00:00 AM
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@Gordon Gekko,

Eddie calculated income revenue from one of the three Cogen processes.The 'profit' from the yet to be constructed ethanol plant,would exceed profit realised by many listed companies in the NSE........It is plain obvious that 670M is not little money especially given that MSC has been making peanuts out of molasses.........Carbon credits is an element of power generation which will be pegged at 100-120M per year.


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virji1988
#12 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:13:00 AM
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so is it worth it to buy at 4.3sh?
mukiha
#13 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2009 6:05:00 AM
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Something wrong?

NSC grows sugar cane; squeezes the (sweet) juice out; dries the cane in the sun; burns it to get fir for steam boilers; passes steam to turbines to generate elec.

Now,what was the main product,again?

Wasn't it the 'sweet' in the cane juice?

Oh,if you din't know,MSC has not paid any elect bill for many years past!

In my view,their future lies in development of more efficient 'sweet' extraction process...then we can buy their sugar for 30-bob per kg at the shop...like the one from Brazil or Sudan
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Njunge
#14 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2009 6:20:00 AM
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@mukiha,

Maybe i don't get you but facts are,MSC employs diffussion kind of extraction process which has a 96% efficiency.The two processes of power and ethanol are extra revenue streams created to use byproducts which have been going to waste.......As at current,MSC production costs stands at Kshs 39,800 per tonne of sugar and by incorporating the other cogen processes,they will help lower the cost of sugar production per tonne.The aim is to get to the international standards of Kshs 21,000 per tonne.....as you can see,you dream of sugar at 30 bob isn't out of reach.


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mukiha
#15 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:09:00 AM
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@Hi-Lo;

what is the website address?
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Hi-Lo
#16 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:14:00 AM
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@mukiha
mumias-sugar.com or google it up...

Playing the stock market without insider info...is like buying a cow in the moonlight.
mukiha
#17 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:25:00 AM
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Having looked at the figures again,my mind has changed....in my language they say that it is only fools who don't change their mind (No irimu itaugukagwo)...

Here we go:

The PPA with KPLC provides for 26MW at the rate of US$0.06 per kWh as long as the plant availability is above 85%.

Now this works out to about a billion bob in revenue per year...in a company whose turnover is sh12b

Might sound a little,but if the running costs and the finance costs for the power plant are not too high,this may make a significant impact on the bottom line. Assume it is 50% of revenue; then the PBT increases by sh500m...or sh350m PAT....0.23 increase on EPS...
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YES @Virji,all things remaining constant,it's a good buy at 4.30....I'll call my broker right away!!!!
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The General
#18 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:54:00 AM
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@ Njunge,very good news. I listened when you first brought it up a year or so ago.

Waiting for them to acquire 1/2 of the junior players.

I have to hand to the management. Good job.

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Kaigangio
#19 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2009 8:14:00 AM
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@ guka

for the power generation,something is not adding up....

consider this:

MSC crushes 1 ton of cane to produce 100 to 150kwh of electricity,simultaneously with the power alcohol and the cane sap

MSC crushes 350 tons per hour meaning that it takes 0.0029 hours (1/350) or 10.3 seconds to crash 1 ton.

power generated from 1 ton of crashed cane is 100kwh/0.0029 = 35,000kw = 35MW

In one year assuming continuous duty operation MSC would crash 350x24x365 = 3,066,000 tons.

Annual power generated 3,066,000x35MW = 107,310,000MW = 107,310GW

this is equivalent to 270 nuclear power plants combined!!!


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Obi 1 Kanobi
#20 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2009 8:26:00 AM
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@Kaigangio

I stand corrected but I believe you cannot store power like the way you store sugar in sacks.

I think you produce it,then use it or lose it. You can use it to charge cells etc but thats just it.

Hence you summing up of the power output is wrong.


I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone.
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