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First World Markets Shenanigans
nairobby
#161 Posted : Monday, April 20, 2020 9:45:25 PM
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What is happening
slick
#162 Posted : Monday, April 20, 2020 10:11:19 PM
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WOW WTI OIL PRICE AT NEGATIVE 37.63 USD .What does this really mean?




https://www.marketwatch....-10-a-barrel-2020-04-20

As the link above states

Quote:
U.S. oil's May contract plunged into negative territory on Monday, meaning that you would have to pay to get someone to take barrels of oil off your hands. West Texas Intermediate oil trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange plunged nearly 300% to settle at negative $37.63 a barrel. The May contract expires CL.1, -199.61% CLK20, -199.61% Tuesday. That one-day drop marks the first time the contract has traded negative in history and would be the largest tumble on record going back to 1983 , while a finish near its current level would be far below the previous all-time low for a front-month contract, according to Dow Jones Market Data.


Can I get a truck and go to an oil depo and they pay me to take oil from them??NUTS

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murchr
#163 Posted : Monday, April 20, 2020 10:22:55 PM
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Oil has gone burst. Wao!

No one is driving to work.

Saudi vs Russia fight still on, what is tge end game?

Its time like this i miss @hisah
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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slick
#164 Posted : Monday, April 20, 2020 10:35:47 PM
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murchr wrote:
Oil has gone burst. Wao!

No one is driving to work.

Saudi vs Russia fight still on, what is tge end game?

Its time like this i miss @hisah


Physical oil market though have low prices cannot in any semblance of reality be having a negative price.In the bizarre metaphysical parallel universe of Wall Street yes but in the real world no.

This is the fundamental stupidity of futures markets determining prices of underlying assets.Its just traders speculative gambling.

Now this presents a solid case for futures markets to be banned from determining prices of especially commodities as its subject to manipulation and as we have seen today utter lunacy.

Some oil man works hard to get oil off the ground then some gambling punks of Wall Street determines his selling price in this dubious manner??Not fair


Not to worry.Tomorrow we shall be back to 20 USD as this dubious May futures contract expires




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winmak
#165 Posted : Tuesday, April 21, 2020 7:27:07 AM
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slick wrote:

HISTORY HAS BEEN MADE.WTI OIL PRICE HITS ZERO!!!!!BEYOND INSANITY

I have seen many ludicrous things in Western markets like central banks buying stocks,corporate and government bonds,negative yielding bonds but WTI oil price at ZERO takes the crown for sheer lunacy

Hit negative 37 at some point😬😬

Being paid to take off the oil off their hands
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slick
#166 Posted : Tuesday, April 21, 2020 7:42:43 AM
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slick wrote:
WOW WTI OIL PRICE AT NEGATIVE 37.63 USD .What does this really mean?




https://www.marketwatch....-10-a-barrel-2020-04-20

As the link above states

Quote:
U.S. oil's May contract plunged into negative territory on Monday, meaning that you would have to pay to get someone to take barrels of oil off your hands. West Texas Intermediate oil trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange plunged nearly 300% to settle at negative $37.63 a barrel. The May contract expires CL.1, -199.61% CLK20, -199.61% Tuesday. That one-day drop marks the first time the contract has traded negative in history and would be the largest tumble on record going back to 1983 , while a finish near its current level would be far below the previous all-time low for a front-month contract, according to Dow Jones Market Data.


Can I get a truck and go to an oil depo and they pay me to take oil from them??NUTS



Though WTI oil price hit NEGATIVE 37.63 USD yesterday Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly the major oil producing companies dropped only slightly with Chevron down 4.13% and Exxon Mobil down 4.70% yesterday.The shale oil frackers is another matter altogether.Bankruptcies in the shale oil is a real possibility if the Fed doesnt buy their junk bonds and I know the Fed will print money to buy these bonds.

Its stupid futures prices determining oil prices that went bezerk but nobody was seriously taking that price and a case for banning futures markets as a price setting scheme should be explored
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slick
#167 Posted : Tuesday, April 21, 2020 8:15:43 AM
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slick wrote:
slick wrote:
WOW WTI OIL PRICE AT NEGATIVE 37.63 USD .What does this really mean?




https://www.marketwatch....-10-a-barrel-2020-04-20

As the link above states

Quote:
U.S. oil's May contract plunged into negative territory on Monday, meaning that you would have to pay to get someone to take barrels of oil off your hands. West Texas Intermediate oil trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange plunged nearly 300% to settle at negative $37.63 a barrel. The May contract expires CL.1, -199.61% CLK20, -199.61% Tuesday. That one-day drop marks the first time the contract has traded negative in history and would be the largest tumble on record going back to 1983 , while a finish near its current level would be far below the previous all-time low for a front-month contract, according to Dow Jones Market Data.


Can I get a truck and go to an oil depo and they pay me to take oil from them??NUTS



Though WTI oil price hit NEGATIVE 37.63 USD yesterday Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly the major oil producing companies dropped only slightly with Chevron down 4.13% and Exxon Mobil down 4.70% yesterday.The shale oil frackers is another matter altogether.Bankruptcies in the shale oil is a real possibility if the Fed doesnt buy their junk bonds and I know the Fed will print money to buy these bonds.

Its stupid futures prices determining oil prices that went bezerk but nobody was seriously taking that price and a case for banning futures markets as a price setting scheme should be explored


WTI oil price now back to 21 USD as the ludicrous May futures contract expire.Ideally what happened jana is that traders who had bought the May futures contract would have been forced to take physical delivery of oil if they kept the contract until expiry.Since storage capacity is all filled up,these traders would not have anyplace to store their oil so they panicked out of the May futures contract yesterday thus the negative 37.63 USD price.Traders actually paid buyers to sell these futures to them.WOW now thats just nuts.
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Ericsson
#168 Posted : Tuesday, April 21, 2020 8:34:44 AM
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murchr wrote:
Oil has gone burst. Wao!

No one is driving to work.

Saudi vs Russia fight still on, what is tge end game?

Its time like this i miss @hisah


European economies are beginning to open their economies
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wukan
#169 Posted : Tuesday, April 21, 2020 9:30:04 AM
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Fed overreacted and overplayed its hand in the market. You are likely to see more market dislocations in the coming days especially in emerging markets. The best thing for emerging markets is to default en mass on dollar bonds. That will bring the dollar and the fed back to sanity. Otherwise they will not answer the coming margin calls.
slick
#170 Posted : Tuesday, April 21, 2020 10:38:18 AM
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wukan wrote:
Fed overreacted and overplayed its hand in the market. You are likely to see more market dislocations in the coming days especially in emerging markets. The best thing for emerging markets is to default en mass on dollar bonds. That will bring the dollar and the fed back to sanity. Otherwise they will not answer the coming margin calls.


Not that simple for emerging markets to just default on USD denominated bonds.Washington will slap sanctions on you crippling your economy even further or organize a coup to dethrone the defaulting government possibly even an invasion
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slick
#171 Posted : Wednesday, April 22, 2020 10:56:57 AM
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slick wrote:
slick wrote:
slick wrote:
WOW WTI OIL PRICE AT NEGATIVE 37.63 USD .What does this really mean?




https://www.marketwatch....-10-a-barrel-2020-04-20

As the link above states

Quote:
U.S. oil's May contract plunged into negative territory on Monday, meaning that you would have to pay to get someone to take barrels of oil off your hands. West Texas Intermediate oil trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange plunged nearly 300% to settle at negative $37.63 a barrel. The May contract expires CL.1, -199.61% CLK20, -199.61% Tuesday. That one-day drop marks the first time the contract has traded negative in history and would be the largest tumble on record going back to 1983 , while a finish near its current level would be far below the previous all-time low for a front-month contract, according to Dow Jones Market Data.


Can I get a truck and go to an oil depo and they pay me to take oil from them??NUTS



Though WTI oil price hit NEGATIVE 37.63 USD yesterday Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly the major oil producing companies dropped only slightly with Chevron down 4.13% and Exxon Mobil down 4.70% yesterday.The shale oil frackers is another matter altogether.Bankruptcies in the shale oil is a real possibility if the Fed doesnt buy their junk bonds and I know the Fed will print money to buy these bonds.

Its stupid futures prices determining oil prices that went bezerk but nobody was seriously taking that price and a case for banning futures markets as a price setting scheme should be explored


WTI oil price now back to 21 USD as the ludicrous May futures contract expire.Ideally what happened jana is that traders who had bought the May futures contract would have been forced to take physical delivery of oil if they kept the contract until expiry.Since storage capacity is all filled up,these traders would not have anyplace to store their oil so they panicked out of the May futures contract yesterday thus the negative 37.63 USD price.Traders actually paid buyers to sell these futures to them.WOW now thats just nuts.


WTI oil price is now being priced on the June futures contract now that the May contract expired disastrously in an eye popping collapse to -40 USD.The June contract is now unravelling.It opened jana at 21 USD collapsed to 6.50 USD in yesterday's trading but now snapped back to 11.6 USD.Its almost obvious as the expiry of this contract arrives in May,the buildup in pressure for traders to panic dispose and actually pay a buyer to take their contract and in the physical market for investors pay buyers to take oil from them (totally ridiculous affair),the June contract will also implode to negative value presenting shorting opportunities that are just too easy to resist.Shorting oil is now the golden goose that just keeps laying eggsLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
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slick
#172 Posted : Saturday, April 25, 2020 3:50:17 PM
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slick wrote:
Billionaire Chamath Palihapitiya states his fellow billionaires who overleveraged and recklessely speculated in the markets in stock buybacks,executive stock option bonuses shouldnt be bailed out and deserve to get wiped out

Employees of e.g. airlines wont be fired but a new more honest owner would take up the assets and retain the employees.The people who get wiped out will be the stock and bondholders of these poorly managed companies and its a necessary capitalist purge when they make bad investments in dubiously managed firms.

Instead the trillions being printed up are used to bailout Blackrock and other investment funds while mainstream are losing jobs and are given a token few thousand dollars

Totally agree.Same should apply to KQ and other bogus Kenyan firms





The billionaire is at is again talking painful truth that mainstream Wall Street doesn't want to hear.How can major US corporates spend 90% of their profits (7 trillion USD) to buy back stock and dividends to enrich the 1% that own these stocks including the corporate executives who buy these stocks personally,then have their companies as separate legal entities buy back the stock using company profits to artificially raise the stock then the executives sell these risen stocks at super profits?Ponzi scheme shenanigans to me.Then when these stocks started to crash a few weeks ago,they cry to the Fed to print new trillions to bail them out raising their stock prices once more for them to sell at super profits.As the Fed pumps trillions to be immediately injected into these corporates,the small restaurant,barber shop,that waitress is yet to receive the scraps bones of bailout money left once the Wall Street fat cats have already eaten the meat



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slick
#173 Posted : Monday, April 27, 2020 6:05:46 PM
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JAPAN TO INITIATE UNLIMITED MONEY PRINTING

Just print away the Yen.No limits.Buy it all ie stocks,government and corporate bonds.The Japanese Central Bank already bought over half of Japanese government bonds (ludicrous negative yielding bonds which the central bank is the largest bond holder) and is the single biggest stock ETF holder.Despite the Bank of Japan buying stocks the Nikkei is still 50% down from its 1989 all time high when Japan experienced an extreme bubble of ridiculous proportions in stocks and especially real estate.Imagine the Imperial Palace grounds in Japan in the late 1980s was worth more than the whole state of California!!!Seriously!!Anyway the real estate market collapsed over 80% and never recovered.



Well Fed is also printing unlimited trillions so why not Japan.



Sasa si Opus Dei starts unlimited KES printing then we see our currency go to the trashbin.
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Ericsson
#174 Posted : Wednesday, April 29, 2020 8:30:38 PM
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USA economy shrinks by 4.8% in Q1
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slick
#175 Posted : Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:03:25 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
USA economy shrinks by 4.8% in Q1


Crazy stuff.US GDP shrinks but stocks rise in today's trading as Fed money printing keeps markets elevated.Q2 GDP will be the disaster to record levels possibly worse than the 1930s Great Depression.Fed keeps Fed funds rate at 0-0.25% and will keep the same pace of QE infinity money printing scheme.

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Ericsson
#176 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2020 7:36:09 AM
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slick wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
USA economy shrinks by 4.8% in Q1


Crazy stuff.US GDP shrinks but stocks rise in today's trading as Fed money printing keeps markets elevated.Q2 GDP will be the disaster to record levels possibly worse than the 1930s Great Depression.Fed keeps Fed funds rate at 0-0.25% and will keep the same pace of QE infinity money printing scheme.


The collapse of stocks is coming,the rally is not sustainable.
Jerome Powell:Unemployment rate likely to surge into double digits
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eangaga
#177 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:47:31 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
slick wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
USA economy shrinks by 4.8% in Q1


Crazy stuff.US GDP shrinks but stocks rise in today's trading as Fed money printing keeps markets elevated.Q2 GDP will be the disaster to record levels possibly worse than the 1930s Great Depression.Fed keeps Fed funds rate at 0-0.25% and will keep the same pace of QE infinity money printing scheme.


The collapse of stocks is coming,the rally is not sustainable.
Jerome Powell:Unemployment rate likely to surge into double digits


I am not sure what these people know.I am just a common guy and I work for one of the companies in this stock market. Our company I understand. We make a product, it is a useful product. We make sales and make profit. Even during this time we have been working. I say this to say that the valuation at the Stock exchange are not just bubbles...

Have you noticed much of the portfolios have regained most loses from covid?
slick
#178 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:02:20 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
slick wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
USA economy shrinks by 4.8% in Q1


Crazy stuff.US GDP shrinks but stocks rise in today's trading as Fed money printing keeps markets elevated.Q2 GDP will be the disaster to record levels possibly worse than the 1930s Great Depression.Fed keeps Fed funds rate at 0-0.25% and will keep the same pace of QE infinity money printing scheme.


The collapse of stocks is coming,the rally is not sustainable.
Jerome Powell:Unemployment rate likely to surge into double digits


Spot on @Ericsson.The recent rally on Wall Street is a typical bear market rally after a big stock market crash during a recession.This rally creates false optimism and sucks up retail investors then the real crash plays out later.This phenomena has happened during all US recessions including the 1929 Stock market crash and resultant Great Depression in the 1930s,the dotcom collapse in 2001 and the real estate meltdown during 2008.

Its a rally fueled by Fed money printing and no fundamentals.How can stocks possibly rise when US has the largest number of covid-19 cases and deaths,citizens are still on lockdown and millions losing their jobs every week (this week 3.84 million jobs lost totaling 30 million job losses for the last 6 weeks) yet equities keep surging?

Once one knows how Wall Street really works then realizes what a joke it all is.Bad economic news is good for the stock market as bad economic data means the Fed will print more money to offset the economic decline so stocks get bought up with newly printed US dollars.
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Ericsson
#179 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2020 5:51:12 PM
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Stocks sink on economic outlook
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slick
#180 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2020 6:01:06 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
Stocks sink on economic outlook


Yeap.At least today thus far stocks have faced reality and sunk due to the 3.84 million jobs lost in the last 7 days.In prior weeks where even more than 5 million jobs were being lost,stocks rallied as investors knew the Fed will print more money to buy all asset classes including stocks to offset job losses.

Who knows the day is young.Equities may stage a major comeback as Plunge Protection Team buys equities in mass to prevent a broader sell off.Very volatile market with wild up and down swings
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