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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/10/2010 Posts: 2,264
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masukuma wrote:it's a rather stable virus that doesn't mutate often - however, the longer it stays in a population... the more the chances that a new strain will spring up... I think we have gone over this before. The bad thing is that natural immunity to an earlier strain does not guarantee immunity to a new strain! The immune system is an interesting thing - it basically works on proteins on the virus that it has never seen before. The virus is like 30,000 bases long and it may build an immunoresponse on a random protein that may change due to the mutation without affecting the nature of the virus and thus the virus from the second strain will not be recognized by the body. that's why the vaccines are better - they are pinpointed to attack something that if changed will change the nature of the virus.. the S-spike protein. First you should tell people that there is nothing like immunity when it comes to any disease. It's only that when you get infected you get very mild or no symptoms. But you still get infected. The infection also fades away very quickly. The term immunty is relative Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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mpobiz wrote:masukuma wrote:it's a rather stable virus that doesn't mutate often - however, the longer it stays in a population... the more the chances that a new strain will spring up... I think we have gone over this before. The bad thing is that natural immunity to an earlier strain does not guarantee immunity to a new strain! The immune system is an interesting thing - it basically works on proteins on the virus that it has never seen before. The virus is like 30,000 bases long and it may build an immunoresponse on a random protein that may change due to the mutation without affecting the nature of the virus and thus the virus from the second strain will not be recognized by the body. that's why the vaccines are better - they are pinpointed to attack something that if changed will change the nature of the virus.. the S-spike protein. First you should tell people that there is nothing like immunity when it comes to any disease. It's only that when you get infected you get very mild or no symptoms. But you still get infected. The infection also fades away very quickly. The term immunty is relative Yes - the outcome of an immune response should be viewed on a continuum of severity of symptoms. Infection will always occur (a pathogen getting into your body) but the severity of symptoms is a product of how fast your body responds with an appropriate response to the infection. The longer it takes - the more the time to develop symptoms. Vaccinations shorten that time so as to ensure that the body does it once with a fake viral protein and remembers this response when the real thing comes around. The load of the pathogen is another factor. A small amount of virus will take a while before it replicates to critical mass in order to affect the body. During this time the body is mounting a response and thus it can be that asymptomatic cases are scenarios where the viral load was so little that by the time the body was launching an immune response - the viruses were not in such a state that they can cause damage. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/10/2010 Posts: 2,264
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masukuma wrote:mpobiz wrote:masukuma wrote:it's a rather stable virus that doesn't mutate often - however, the longer it stays in a population... the more the chances that a new strain will spring up... I think we have gone over this before. The bad thing is that natural immunity to an earlier strain does not guarantee immunity to a new strain! The immune system is an interesting thing - it basically works on proteins on the virus that it has never seen before. The virus is like 30,000 bases long and it may build an immunoresponse on a random protein that may change due to the mutation without affecting the nature of the virus and thus the virus from the second strain will not be recognized by the body. that's why the vaccines are better - they are pinpointed to attack something that if changed will change the nature of the virus.. the S-spike protein. First you should tell people that there is nothing like immunity when it comes to any disease. It's only that when you get infected you get very mild or no symptoms. But you still get infected. The infection also fades away very quickly. The term immunty is relative Yes - the outcome of an immune response should be viewed on a continuum of severity of symptoms. Infection will always occur (a pathogen getting into your body) but the severity of symptoms is a product of how fast your body responds with an appropriate response to the infection. The longer it takes - the more the time to develop symptoms. Vaccinations shorten that time so as to ensure that the body does it once with a fake viral protein and remembers this response when the real thing comes around. The load of the pathogen is another factor. A small amount of virus will take a while before it replicates to critical mass in order to affect the body. During this time the body is mounting a response and thus it can be that asymptomatic cases are scenarios where the viral load was so little that by the time the body was launching an immune response - the viruses were not in such a state that they can cause damage. Then it's safe to say that the natural "immunity" that worked on the first strain will do its magic again. What I can say is we are even safer when we encounter more strains. This drastically improves and buffers the immune system. This can be genetically passed to the comming generation. A small study was curried out where it was seen that a generation of children borne of parents with HIV developed immunity. Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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mpobiz wrote:masukuma wrote:mpobiz wrote:masukuma wrote:it's a rather stable virus that doesn't mutate often - however, the longer it stays in a population... the more the chances that a new strain will spring up... I think we have gone over this before. The bad thing is that natural immunity to an earlier strain does not guarantee immunity to a new strain! The immune system is an interesting thing - it basically works on proteins on the virus that it has never seen before. The virus is like 30,000 bases long and it may build an immunoresponse on a random protein that may change due to the mutation without affecting the nature of the virus and thus the virus from the second strain will not be recognized by the body. that's why the vaccines are better - they are pinpointed to attack something that if changed will change the nature of the virus.. the S-spike protein. First you should tell people that there is nothing like immunity when it comes to any disease. It's only that when you get infected you get very mild or no symptoms. But you still get infected. The infection also fades away very quickly. The term immunty is relative Yes - the outcome of an immune response should be viewed on a continuum of severity of symptoms. Infection will always occur (a pathogen getting into your body) but the severity of symptoms is a product of how fast your body responds with an appropriate response to the infection. The longer it takes - the more the time to develop symptoms. Vaccinations shorten that time so as to ensure that the body does it once with a fake viral protein and remembers this response when the real thing comes around. The load of the pathogen is another factor. A small amount of virus will take a while before it replicates to critical mass in order to affect the body. During this time the body is mounting a response and thus it can be that asymptomatic cases are scenarios where the viral load was so little that by the time the body was launching an immune response - the viruses were not in such a state that they can cause damage. Then it's safe to say that the natural "immunity" that worked on the first strain will do its magic again. What I can say is we are even safer when we encounter more strains. This drastically improves and buffers the immune system. This can be genetically passed to the comming generation. A small study was curried out where it was seen that a generation of children borne of parents with HIV developed immunity. No it's not safe to say that.... 1) We don't get to chose what strain is created. could the strain be more infectious (spreads around faster or deadly... kills more?) - we don't get to chose that. Remember - at one time there was no Covid and then a whole year went down the drain. This whole year people have been relying on Natural immunity. Which is a crude weapon. it's effective against what it knows but not what it does not know. I have a friend who tested positive for antibodies earlier and then had a worse case of Covid later - he did survive.. yes but the suffering was worse the second time over... was it a newer strain? I don't know. Vaccines are designed to be precise and focus on the characteristic of the virus that won't change without rendering it "not covid". the spike protein. can the body focus on the s-protein itself... it's possible but it can also focus on the proteins created by the rest of the 30,000 bases that make up the virus' RNA. 2) genetics are not as easy to determine. Your immunity is not passed on! it's not genetic. it's a thing that happens to your other cells. the change MUST TAKE PLACE IN THE GONADS. That means that the cells in your balls must mutate in a way to pass on the immunity to your children. It's not in your control. That's why children don't inherit resistance to ENT diseases from their parents... they build their own over time. by age 7 they are set. No grown-up complains of ear infections but their children will get ENT infections. Is immunity/resistance to HIV a factor of how long the virus stays in the body? Maybe! since it stays with you through your life... do your gonads get infected with it... yes! it's the primary way of spreading. does it happen that over years and years of living with this do your gonads get to release strands that have a mutation that is resistant to this disease? I can see how... but not with a disease that takes at most 37 days to reduce the viral load undetectable levels. Can we adapt eventually to have a genetic response to this... I guess! Can our immune response eventually beat this bastard? Yes, but what's easier... getting a shot that any negative outcomes (if any) are visible in the first 48 hours or roll the dice like a caveman and see what happens? I chose the shot. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,979
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Of all the leaders we've lost to this Chief Kariuki was the most impactful. May he continue resting in peace "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 2,038 Location: GA
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,979
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Hi Wazua Docs, What would you say is the DNA of this vaccine? Is it similar to BCG? Esp the AstraZeneca/Oxford one? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:Hi Wazua Docs,
What would you say is the DNA of this vaccine? Is it similar to BCG? Esp the AstraZeneca/Oxford one? The Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine uses a modified version of a chimpanzee adenovirus, known as ChAdOx1 All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/21/2008 Posts: 2,490
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wukan wrote:Ebola has been raging in the DRC and life goes on. This too shall pass... One year down the line it is yet to pass.... The man who marries a beautiful woman, and the farmer who grows corn by the roadside have the same problem
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,979
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masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:Hi Wazua Docs,
What would you say is the DNA of this vaccine? Is it similar to BCG? Esp the AstraZeneca/Oxford one? The Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine uses a modified version of a chimpanzee adenovirus, known as ChAdOx1 Waa! Ati nini?  "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/10/2015 Posts: 961 Location: Kenya
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African doctor makes major breakthrough in covid treatment/management. Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,979
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If you are travelling abroad, do not think of Heathrow "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/22/2009 Posts: 2,449 Location: Africa
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Kenya appears not to be affected by the surge in cases and deaths being seen in Europe, America, South Africa among other countries. In fact we seem to be reporting lower numbers these days. I'm really confused about what's really happening.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,979
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Guardian wrote:Guinea is the sole low-income country to have delivered any shots so far, last week providing doses of the Russian Sputnik vaccine to a mere 25 people, including its president. I can bet that's the President and his family. At the taxpayers expense. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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Shak wrote:Kenya appears not to be affected by the surge in cases and deaths being seen in Europe, America, South Africa among other countries. In fact we seem to be reporting lower numbers these days. I'm really confused about what's really happening. We hardly test. Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/10/2010 Posts: 2,264
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KulaRaha wrote:Shak wrote:Kenya appears not to be affected by the surge in cases and deaths being seen in Europe, America, South Africa among other countries. In fact we seem to be reporting lower numbers these days. I'm really confused about what's really happening. We hardly test. Testing achieves nothing. https://www.voanews.com/...ew-coronavirus-mutation
The more you test doesn't mean that more people will be severely sick or die. The people are already sick. In my estimate the number of the infected in this country so far could easily exceed 5million. It's only that the African population is hundling the infection differently. This we predicted a long time ago. Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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mpobiz wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Shak wrote:Kenya appears not to be affected by the surge in cases and deaths being seen in Europe, America, South Africa among other countries. In fact we seem to be reporting lower numbers these days. I'm really confused about what's really happening. We hardly test. Testing achieves nothing. https://www.voanews.com/...ew-coronavirus-mutation
The more you test doesn't mean that more people will be severely sick or die. The people are already sick. In my estimate the number of the infected in this country so far could easily exceed 5million. It's only that the African population is hundling the infection differently. This we predicted a long time ago. Chinese read this and giggle! the effectiveness of Mass testing depends on WHEN the testing happens and HOW comprehensive the testing. When you have few cases in the country - mass testing assists in getting to identify the spreaders and then you can snuff the cases out. China has tested 11 Million People in like 10 days. That's a whole city! PCR testing (using brains to formulate the testing protocol). They got 200 cases! For the rest of the countries - it doesn't make sense. Why? it's embedded in our population due to our fatalistic worldview and that is why we are having strains popping up all over the place - we let it settle. Kaende vile kataenda... All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/16/2019 Posts: 313
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Covid-19 kills ten Sadc ministers in two weeksQuote:Four member states of the Southern African Development Community (Sadc) have lost a total of 10 cabinet ministers to Covid-19 in just two weeks. Zimbabwe has lost four while Malawi lost two. Eswatini has lost two cabinet ministers and a Prime Minister to the pandemic during the past two weeks. South Africa has lost one.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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kmucheke wrote:Covid-19 kills ten Sadc ministers in two weeksQuote:Four member states of the Southern African Development Community (Sadc) have lost a total of 10 cabinet ministers to Covid-19 in just two weeks. Zimbabwe has lost four while Malawi lost two. Eswatini has lost two cabinet ministers and a Prime Minister to the pandemic during the past two weeks. South Africa has lost one. I know a guy who has lost 4 relatives over the last 2-3 months to Covid. They are all in SA. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/16/2019 Posts: 313
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masukuma wrote:kmucheke wrote:Covid-19 kills ten Sadc ministers in two weeksQuote:Four member states of the Southern African Development Community (Sadc) have lost a total of 10 cabinet ministers to Covid-19 in just two weeks. Zimbabwe has lost four while Malawi lost two. Eswatini has lost two cabinet ministers and a Prime Minister to the pandemic during the past two weeks. South Africa has lost one. I know a guy who has lost 4 relatives over the last 2-3 months to Covid. They are all in SA. Could it be because of the new SA covid variant?
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