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This is the reason why your lives are a bitter LIVING HELL and you cannot square the circle as to why. Tafakari hayo and PLEASE do not attack the messenger!  This is the reason why Kirubi employs Harvard MBAs and The guy who was number 1 in the whole country your year works in a small hospital as a doctor yet the owner of the hospital was someone like Njenga Karume or Kirima who both could barely spell their own names.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/20/2015 Posts: 2,811 Location: Mombasa
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MugundaMan wrote:This is the reason why your lives are a bitter LIVING HELL and you cannot square the circle as to why. Tafakari hayo and PLEASE do not attack the messenger! This is the reason why Kirubi employs Harvard MBAs and The guy who was number 1 in the whole country your year works in a small hospital as a doctor yet the owner of the hospital was someone like Njenga Karume or Kirima who both could barely spell their own names. I figured out this brutal truth till I came up with one fundamental answer as to why it happens that way.' A' students are best in following instructions seconded by 'B'students who are better in the same front. In order to be successful you MUST break the rules a phenomenon inherent with people who can not spell their names properly. John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/8/2018 Posts: 2,211 Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
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Spikes wrote:MugundaMan wrote:This is the reason why your lives are a bitter LIVING HELL and you cannot square the circle as to why. Tafakari hayo and PLEASE do not attack the messenger! This is the reason why Kirubi employs Harvard MBAs and The guy who was number 1 in the whole country your year works in a small hospital as a doctor yet the owner of the hospital was someone like Njenga Karume or Kirima who both could barely spell their own names. I figured out this brutal truth till I came up with one fundamental answer as to why it happens that way.' A' students are best in following instructions seconded by 'B'students who are better in the same front. In order to be successful you MUST break the rules a phenomenon inherent with people who can not spell their names properly. Who knew. You are actually smarter than I expected 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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MugundaMan wrote:This is the reason why your lives are a bitter LIVING HELL and you cannot square the circle as to why. Tafakari hayo and PLEASE do not attack the messenger! This is the reason why Kirubi employs Harvard MBAs and The guy who was number 1 in the whole country your year works in a small hospital as a doctor yet the owner of the hospital was someone like Njenga Karume or Kirima who both could barely spell their own names. A Students work for C Students, B students work for Government and IDIOTS think they know everything. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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sparkly wrote:MugundaMan wrote:This is the reason why your lives are a bitter LIVING HELL and you cannot square the circle as to why. Tafakari hayo and PLEASE do not attack the messenger! This is the reason why Kirubi employs Harvard MBAs and The guy who was number 1 in the whole country your year works in a small hospital as a doctor yet the owner of the hospital was someone like Njenga Karume or Kirima who both could barely spell their own names. A Students work for C Students, B students work for Government and IDIOTS think they know everything.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,979
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sparkly wrote:MugundaMan wrote:This is the reason why your lives are a bitter LIVING HELL and you cannot square the circle as to why. Tafakari hayo and PLEASE do not attack the messenger! This is the reason why Kirubi employs Harvard MBAs and The guy who was number 1 in the whole country your year works in a small hospital as a doctor yet the owner of the hospital was someone like Njenga Karume or Kirima who both could barely spell their own names. A Students work for C Students, B students work for Government and IDIOTS think they know everything. Spot on.  As I walk away "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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MugundaMan wrote:This is the reason why your lives are a bitter LIVING HELL and you cannot square the circle as to why. Tafakari hayo and PLEASE do not attack the messenger! This is the reason why Kirubi employs Harvard MBAs and The guy who was number 1 in the whole country your year works in a small hospital as a doctor yet the owner of the hospital was someone like Njenga Karume or Kirima who both could barely spell their own names. ...every academic failure looks at the handful successful businessmen who didn't fare well in formal studies and automatically assume they are like them. These authors use that reasoning to bait people to buy their books, which are usually just platitudes and a simplistic view of things. The world is very complicated and nuanced. For every Njenga Karume, Sonko and other successful biz people, there are hundreds of thousands stuck in poverty, casual labour, despair and drunkeness. Millions even. There are people who are ingenious, explore many ideas, work hard and do all the right things but never get rich. "You can achieve whatever you put your mind to" is the kind of rallying call that only simpletons take to heart (and keep giving the likes of Kiyosaki money). How much you can achieve is dictated by the circumstances you find yourself in. How much you can change your circumstances depends on the circumstances you find yourself in. Some things you cannot change. The number of successful people who are well educated greatly outstrips that of successful people who are not well read comparing like for like successwise; its just that a successful person with degrees does not make compelling reading, can't sell as much, so we have allowed ourselves to be tricked into reasoning that mediocrity is also acceptable. Read, be entertained, glean lessons from these books and motivational speakers etc etc but never once forget that pithy quotes, soundbites and packaged stories are not a substitute for reality. More importantly, make sure your children get a good education
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/20/2007 Posts: 767
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quicksand wrote:MugundaMan wrote:This is the reason why your lives are a bitter LIVING HELL and you cannot square the circle as to why. Tafakari hayo and PLEASE do not attack the messenger! This is the reason why Kirubi employs Harvard MBAs and The guy who was number 1 in the whole country your year works in a small hospital as a doctor yet the owner of the hospital was someone like Njenga Karume or Kirima who both could barely spell their own names. ...every academic failure looks at the handful successful businessmen who didn't fare well in formal studies and automatically assume they are like them. These authors use that reasoning to bait people to buy their books, which are usually just platitudes and a simplistic view of things. The world is very complicated and nuanced. For every Njenga Karume, Sonko and other successful biz people, there are hundreds of thousands stuck in poverty, casual labour, despair and drunkeness. Millions even. There are people who are ingenious, explore many ideas, work hard and do all the right things but never get rich. "You can achieve whatever you put your mind to" is the kind of rallying call that only simpletons take to heart (and keep giving the likes of Kiyosaki money). How much you can achieve is dictated by the circumstances you find yourself in. How much you can change your circumstances depends on the circumstances you find yourself in. Some things you cannot change. The number of successful people who are well educated greatly outstrips that of successful people who are not well read comparing like for like successwise; its just that a successful person with degrees does not make compelling reading, can't sell as much, so we have allowed ourselves to be tricked into reasoning that mediocrity is also acceptable. Read, be entertained, glean lessons from these books and motivational speakers etc etc but never once forget that pithy quotes, soundbites and packaged stories are not a substitute for reality. More importantly, make sure your children get a good education 100% correct. Could not have put it better myself.  They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/8/2018 Posts: 2,211 Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/8/2018 Posts: 2,211 Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
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quicksand wrote: ...every academic failure looks at the handful successful businessmen who didn't fare well in formal studies and automatically assume they are like them. These authors use that reasoning to bait people to buy their books, which are usually just platitudes and a simplistic view of things. The world is very complicated and nuanced. For every Njenga Karume, Sonko and other successful biz people, there are hundreds of thousands stuck in poverty, casual labour, despair and drunkeness. Millions even. There are people who are ingenious, explore many ideas, work hard and do all the right things but never get rich. "You can achieve whatever you put your mind to" is the kind of rallying call that only simpletons take to heart (and keep giving the likes of Kiyosaki money). How much you can achieve is dictated by the circumstances you find yourself in. How much you can change your circumstances depends on the circumstances you find yourself in. Some things you cannot change. The number of successful people who are well educated greatly outstrips that of successful people who are not well read comparing like for like successwise; its just that a successful person with degrees does not make compelling reading, can't sell as much, so we have allowed ourselves to be tricked into reasoning that mediocrity is also acceptable. Read, be entertained, glean lessons from these books and motivational speakers etc etc but never once forget that pithy quotes, soundbites and packaged stories are not a substitute for reality. More importantly, make sure your children get a good education You have missed the whole point of the book by a country mile bradza. What Kiyosaki is stating can be viewed as a good theory which is backed by lots of anecdotal as well as empirical evidence. His is not to decry academic excellence (which is a good thing that I also support), but to point out the world as it IS not as you would like it to be An A student is a trained robot. Teach him triple integral calculus and he will reproduce what he has learned to the letter giving the illusion of shocking brilliance. Tell that same A student to manage a simple Java branch or a small mall and he might be stumped. But put him in a room to do engineering calculations for you to build your skyscraper and he is a wizard. We need A students. To work for C students. I was an A student as well but I overcame my education. Let that sink in. Look at the Forbes lists. If the theory that A students are tops even in life were tested on that list alone it would fail miserably as 80% are C students. Look here in Kenya. Wakina Chandaria, Kirubi, Karume, Devki, Kirima and a long slew of the rest were all C or below students. Have you heard Merali speak. His english is barely intelligible. Further afield look at kina Dangote..richest in Africa. That should tell you something. Look further afield at the Korean Chaebol billionaires, the Chinese ones, the Japanese ones. The list is endless. In fact an A student at the top financially is actually an anomaly/quirk of nature. But we need A students to be our doctors, engineers, pharmacists, rocket scientists etc in the companies the C students own. Haya si magumu. An A student thinks and acts in robotic fashion because he is a trained intellectual robot. When asked what 1+1 is he regurgitates 2. That's how he passed all his exams with straight As. By obeying laid out orders.The C student on the other hand is not restrained by such limitations. When you ask him what one plus one is he will ask you why he needs to learn this garbage in the first place when he could be busy making best use of his time building his empire. Are there billions of C student failures in life? Of course. In fact they are the majority. But that's not what the topic of focus of the book is. It's on those who pull the levers of power in business and heck even politics. Look around you. Even in your own country you have been ruled from day one by C students. Some like the man with the rungu even didn't go to uni yet he ruled y'all for 24 good years
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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MugundaMan wrote:quicksand wrote: ...every academic failure looks at the handful successful businessmen who didn't fare well in formal studies and automatically assume they are like them. These authors use that reasoning to bait people to buy their books, which are usually just platitudes and a simplistic view of things. The world is very complicated and nuanced. For every Njenga Karume, Sonko and other successful biz people, there are hundreds of thousands stuck in poverty, casual labour, despair and drunkeness. Millions even. There are people who are ingenious, explore many ideas, work hard and do all the right things but never get rich. "You can achieve whatever you put your mind to" is the kind of rallying call that only simpletons take to heart (and keep giving the likes of Kiyosaki money). How much you can achieve is dictated by the circumstances you find yourself in. How much you can change your circumstances depends on the circumstances you find yourself in. Some things you cannot change. The number of successful people who are well educated greatly outstrips that of successful people who are not well read comparing like for like successwise; its just that a successful person with degrees does not make compelling reading, can't sell as much, so we have allowed ourselves to be tricked into reasoning that mediocrity is also acceptable. Read, be entertained, glean lessons from these books and motivational speakers etc etc but never once forget that pithy quotes, soundbites and packaged stories are not a substitute for reality. More importantly, make sure your children get a good education You have missed the whole point of the book by a country mile bradza. What Kiyosaki is stating can be viewed as a good theory which is backed by lots of anecdotal as well as empirical evidence. His is not to decry academic excellence (which is a good thing that I also support), but to point out the world as it IS not as you would like it to be An A student is a trained robot. Teach him triple integral calculus and he will reproduce what he has learned to the letter giving the illusion of shocking brilliance. Tell that same A student to manage a simple Java branch or a small mall and he might be stumped. But put him in a room to do engineering calculations for you to build your skyscraper and he is a wizard. We need A students. To work for C students. I was an A student as well but I overcame my education. Let that sink in. Look at the Forbes lists. If the theory that A students are tops even in life were tested on that list alone it would fail miserably as 80% are C students. Look here in Kenya. Wakina Chandaria, Kirubi, Karume, Devki, Kirima and a long slew of the rest were all C or below students. Have you heard Merali speak. His english is barely intelligible. Further afield look at kina Dangote..richest in Africa. That should tell you something. Look further afield at the Korean Chaebol billionaires, the Chinese ones, the Japanese ones. The list is endless. In fact an A student at the top financially is actually an anomaly/quirk of nature. But we need A students to be our doctors, engineers, pharmacists, rocket scientists etc in the companies the C students own. Haya si magumu. An A student thinks and acts in robotic fashion because he is a trained intellectual robot. When asked what 1+1 is he regurgitates 2. That's how he passed all his exams with straight As. By obeying laid out orders.The C student on the other hand is not restrained by such limitations. When you ask him what one plus one is he will ask you why he needs to learn this garbage in the first place when he could be busy making best use of his time building his empire. Are there billions of C student failures in life? Of course. In fact they are the majority. But that's not what the topic of focus of the book is. It's on those who pull the levers of power in business and heck even politics. Look around you. Even in your own country you have been ruled from day one by C students. Some like the man with the rungu even didn't go to uni yet he ruled y'all for 24 good years it's all about statistics... A students will rarely go hungry or fail to provide some food for their families. Maybe 1% will be rather poor. C students lives are hard... few C students will get really rich and hire the A students but most C students will suffer in hardship compared to the A students. Point... Education is useful... it's insurance. out of all the C students (the millions and millions of them) we dare say that only 2-3 of them ruled us? how can their prowess then be an attribute of "C-ness"? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/8/2018 Posts: 2,211 Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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Most people assume that rating in math and logic is the only measure of intelligence and the only way to score students. In reality there are 9 types of intelligence (see below). Most succesful people in their areas of specializations are A students in their respective intelligences. Mariga and Oliech may be able to count up to 100 but their loco-motor skills are in the top percentile. Njenga Karume may not have had a PHD but he was the driving force behind Kibaki's political sucess, able to negotiate and broker power among Kibaki's friends and foes. His interpersonal skills were incredible. Juacali may not have a university degree but challenge him to a rap battle! Bottomline is that mediocrity cannot rise people to the top or keep them there. Whoever rises to the top in whichever field is an A student at his game.  Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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sparkly wrote:Most people assume that rating in math and logic is the only measure of intelligence and the only way to score students. In reality there are 9 types of intelligence (see below). Most succesful people in their areas of specializations are A students in their respective intelligences. Mariga and Oliech may be able to count up to 100 but their loco-motor skills are in the top percentile. Njenga Karume may not have had a PHD but he was the driving force behind Kibaki's political sucess, able to negotiate and broker power among Kibaki's friends and foes. His interpersonal skills were incredible. Juacali may not have a university degree but challenge him to a rap battle! Bottomline is that mediocrity cannot rise people to the top or keep them there. Whoever rises to the top in whichever field is an A student at his game. How comes The Virtual Republic of Wazua does not have a "like" or "love" button? How comes?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/8/2018 Posts: 2,211 Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
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sparkly wrote:Most people assume that rating in math and logic is the only measure of intelligence and the only way to score students. In reality there are 9 types of intelligence (see below). Most succesful people in their areas of specializations are A students in their respective intelligences. Mariga and Oliech may be able to count up to 100 but their loco-motor skills are in the top percentile. Njenga Karume may not have had a PHD but he was the driving force behind Kibaki's political sucess, able to negotiate and broker power among Kibaki's friends and foes. His interpersonal skills were incredible. Juacali may not have a university degree but challenge him to a rap battle! Bottomline is that mediocrity cannot rise people to the top or keep them there. Whoever rises to the top in whichever field is an A student at his game. Sparkles, But who lied to you that an A-student in a university or school is tested on an exam on psycho-motor skills? You like going on funny tangents. Stick to topic (even if your tanget supports my point). There are no schools that give grades for interpersonal skills  . We again are talking about the REAL WORLD here and not the world as you would like it to be.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,274 Location: Kenya
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aemathenge wrote:sparkly wrote:Most people assume that rating in math and logic is the only measure of intelligence and the only way to score students. In reality there are 9 types of intelligence (see below). Most succesful people in their areas of specializations are A students in their respective intelligences. Mariga and Oliech may be able to count up to 100 but their loco-motor skills are in the top percentile. Njenga Karume may not have had a PHD but he was the driving force behind Kibaki's political sucess, able to negotiate and broker power among Kibaki's friends and foes. His interpersonal skills were incredible. Juacali may not have a university degree but challenge him to a rap battle! Bottomline is that mediocrity cannot rise people to the top or keep them there. Whoever rises to the top in whichever field is an A student at his game. How comes The Virtual Republic of Wazua does not have a "like" or "love" button? How comes? You are right. This is one of those which deserves a "Like"!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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Copy And Paste Extract. Please do not attack the messenger.Quote:Let me start by saying that I'm a 26-year-old male with a college degree in the computer sciences.
I'm fully employed and live comfortably on my salary.
That being said, I have absolutely no idea who this book was written for but it's so incredibly out of touch that I enabled the Wi-Fi on my tablet in Starbucks just to write this reaction.
The author hasn't the faintest grasp of what normal people need to go through just to survive in this day and age.
The references he makes and advice he gives are borderline dangerous to someone not well versed in the risks and realities of investing and quite frankly, I found much of it misleading.
This book serves to give you a "feel good" sensation about investing and personal wealth growth without taking into account that most people's lives weren't/are nowhere near as enriched and fortunate as the author’s and abdicates much of the fiscal responsibility necessary to achieve successful financial results.
Reality check: most people don't have extra money to invest in "wealth-building" (i.e. buying a house, starting a business, etc.)
Also, this author clearly states that his dad had his own private company from which he could learn all of this from--that's great, most people who read this book won't and the lessons he leverages won't resonate with most.
Also, what is with the political under and overtones?
I feel like I'm reading a personal page of the Trump manifesto (I didn't see this in his first book, what's changed?)
The advice in this book actively undermines reasonable and safe financial dogmas (saving is for losers? Give me a break!) which for many of us can and are the only means to financial independence given the current state of the economy (which I may add is in the state that it is right now thanks to some of the same risky principles that this author and his generation advocates for).
In conclusion, this book gives bad if not downright dangerous advice for investing as well as personal wealth growth and the author lacks a sufficient grasp of reality as it is for millions of people struggling to get by.
Unless you already have plenty of money to invest and play with, try another book. Source Link. Please click "skip ad" to view the original comment.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,274 Location: Kenya
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tom_boy wrote:quicksand wrote:MugundaMan wrote:This is the reason why your lives are a bitter LIVING HELL and you cannot square the circle as to why. Tafakari hayo and PLEASE do not attack the messenger! This is the reason why Kirubi employs Harvard MBAs and The guy who was number 1 in the whole country your year works in a small hospital as a doctor yet the owner of the hospital was someone like Njenga Karume or Kirima who both could barely spell their own names. ...every academic failure looks at the handful successful businessmen who didn't fare well in formal studies and automatically assume they are like them. These authors use that reasoning to bait people to buy their books, which are usually just platitudes and a simplistic view of things. The world is very complicated and nuanced. For every Njenga Karume, Sonko and other successful biz people, there are hundreds of thousands stuck in poverty, casual labour, despair and drunkeness. Millions even. There are people who are ingenious, explore many ideas, work hard and do all the right things but never get rich. "You can achieve whatever you put your mind to" is the kind of rallying call that only simpletons take to heart (and keep giving the likes of Kiyosaki money). How much you can achieve is dictated by the circumstances you find yourself in. How much you can change your circumstances depends on the circumstances you find yourself in. Some things you cannot change. The number of successful people who are well educated greatly outstrips that of successful people who are not well read comparing like for like successwise; its just that a successful person with degrees does not make compelling reading, can't sell as much, so we have allowed ourselves to be tricked into reasoning that mediocrity is also acceptable. Read, be entertained, glean lessons from these books and motivational speakers etc etc but never once forget that pithy quotes, soundbites and packaged stories are not a substitute for reality. More importantly, make sure your children get a good education 100% correct. Could not have put it better myself. @quicksand has put it right. The rest are just being simplistic. They pick handful D students, like Sonko or Joho and portray as though they represent the 70% and 65% of KCSE Students who scored D+ in 2017 and 2018 respectively for example. We are talking about 900,000 Kenyan Youth minus two or three who will succeed!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/8/2018 Posts: 2,211 Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
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aemathenge wrote:Copy And Paste Extract. Please do not attack the messenger.Quote:Let me start by saying that I'm a 26-year-old male with a college degree in the computer sciences.
I'm fully employed and live comfortably on my salary.
That being said, I have absolutely no idea who this book was written for but it's so incredibly out of touch that I enabled the Wi-Fi on my tablet in Starbucks just to write this reaction.
The author hasn't the faintest grasp of what normal people need to go through just to survive in this day and age.
The references he makes and advice he gives are borderline dangerous to someone not well versed in the risks and realities of investing and quite frankly, I found much of it misleading.
This book serves to give you a "feel good" sensation about investing and personal wealth growth without taking into account that most people's lives weren't/are nowhere near as enriched and fortunate as the author’s and abdicates much of the fiscal responsibility necessary to achieve successful financial results.
Reality check: most people don't have extra money to invest in "wealth-building" (i.e. buying a house, starting a business, etc.)
Also, this author clearly states that his dad had his own private company from which he could learn all of this from--that's great, most people who read this book won't and the lessons he leverages won't resonate with most.
Also, what is with the political under and overtones?
I feel like I'm reading a personal page of the Trump manifesto (I didn't see this in his first book, what's changed?)
The advice in this book actively undermines reasonable and safe financial dogmas (saving is for losers? Give me a break!) which for many of us can and are the only means to financial independence given the current state of the economy (which I may add is in the state that it is right now thanks to some of the same risky principles that this author and his generation advocates for).
In conclusion, this book gives bad if not downright dangerous advice for investing as well as personal wealth growth and the author lacks a sufficient grasp of reality as it is for millions of people struggling to get by.
Unless you already have plenty of money to invest and play with, try another book. Source Link. Please click "skip ad" to view the original comment. Anonymous (hopefully he isn't you) is definitely an A-student Right down to the robotic "it is impossible" thinking. Did I hear him say "most A-students do not have extra money to invest in wealth building on starting a business." And this is the same chap typing on a 100k tablet adjusting wi-fi to read the book better
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/8/2018 Posts: 2,211 Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
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AlphDoti wrote:
@quicksand has put it right. The rest are just being simplistic. They pick handful D students, like Sonko or Joho and portray as though they represent the 70% and 65% of KCSE Students who scored D+ in 2017 and 2018 respectively for example. We are talking about 900,000 Kenyan Youth minus two or three who will succeed!
But what about at the top though? This is the elephant in the room that you guys do not want to tackle. If an A student is so smart, how come the intellectual cream is underrepresented at the topmost of the top? Why do Harvard MBAs who are so smart end up working for barely literates? Why are the C (and maybe even D and E) students over-represented at the top levels of business and politics? Answer me that and then maybe I can take you guys seriously. Pointing to the bottom tells us nothing and isn't even the subject matter of the book. I know this book is breaking a lot of hearts but the truth hurts and we cannot avoid it
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