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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Why do people here want to assume we have 2 options (BBI & Punguza)? I'm saying No to both. No to Punguza just coz of disenfranchisement. We vote once in 5 years. Ideally, we should be voting almost weekly on issues but it's not possible. So we delegate to the 2 houses of parliament to debate & vote. Giving Lamu the same votes as Nairobi is synonymous with giving each Lamu voter 300 votes in a general election while each Nairobi voter gets 1 vote! That's the system you want to leave for your kids and grandkids? Not unless Punguza has a provision for weighted votes in parliament, I can't support it. You guys go support it. If it passes, be sure in under 10 yrs you'll be regretting.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Why is BBI wrong? For me it's coz of the lie of ethnic inclusion. Have a top heavy executive to please 5 tribes(Kikuyu, Luhya, Luo, Kalenjin & Kamba). The rest can go to hell! We all know that the position of DPM for Musalia did not make Mulembe Nation satisfied. They still wanted the big seat! Neither were Lakesiders OK with PM Raila. There will always be a big seat that the big tribes will be jostling over even if we move to parliamentary. Call it PM, Chancellor, President, Grand Supreme whatever...so long as it's clear which position calls the shots; WE shall fight for it! Daily Nation wrote:President Kenyatta’s wing in Jubilee Party, Raila Odinga’s Orange Democratic Movement, Kalonzo Musyoka’s Wiper Democratic Movement, Musalia Mudavadi’s Amani National Congress, Moses Wetang’ula’s Ford-Kenya, and Gideon Moi’s Kanu are already reading from the same script and are pledging support for the Building Bridges Initiative, which many see as the vehicle to the referendum.
A united front bringing together these key political parties could start a wave that eventually installs a leader at State House in 2022.
The clearest indication yet of how the referendum question could read was revealed last week when women leaders under the Embrace movement, a pillar in the Kieleweke formation of the President Kenyatta-aligned Jubilee camp, said the Executive needs to be expanded to include the position of a prime minister and two deputies.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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Lolest! wrote:Why is BBI wrong? For me it's coz of the lie of ethnic inclusion. Have a top heavy executive to please 5 tribes(Kikuyu, Luhya, Luo, Kalenjin & Kamba). The rest can go to hell! We all know that the position of DPM for Musalia did not make Mulembe Nation satisfied. They still wanted the big seat! Neither were Lakesiders OK with PM Raila. There will always be a big seat that the big tribes will be jostling over even if we move to parliamentary. Call it PM, Chancellor, President, Grand Supreme whatever...so long as it's clear which position calls the shots; WE shall fight for it! Daily Nation wrote:President Kenyatta’s wing in Jubilee Party, Raila Odinga’s Orange Democratic Movement, Kalonzo Musyoka’s Wiper Democratic Movement, Musalia Mudavadi’s Amani National Congress, Moses Wetang’ula’s Ford-Kenya, and Gideon Moi’s Kanu are already reading from the same script and are pledging support for the Building Bridges Initiative, which many see as the vehicle to the referendum.
A united front bringing together these key political parties could start a wave that eventually installs a leader at State House in 2022.
The clearest indication yet of how the referendum question could read was revealed last week when women leaders under the Embrace movement, a pillar in the Kieleweke formation of the President Kenyatta-aligned Jubilee camp, said the Executive needs to be expanded to include the position of a prime minister and two deputies. BBI to me is wrong because it seeks to address a political agenda and is lead by politicians. It's like hyenas making the rules that will govern the hyenas and the sheep. In my view, there's nothing wrong with this constitution, it's even better than the American constitution. What we need to reform is our justice system so we can actually jail people. And maybe sort the Sanate and National Assembly mess.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/10/2010 Posts: 281 Location: Nairobi
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https://www.capitalfm.co...-court-lifts-gag-order/
I am interested in seeing how the various counties debate and react to the bill. For me the reduction in the current over representation is not a deal breaker especially if we get more funds devolved to the wards. I would rather have a powerful MCA with funds than have the current MP's CDF.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/9/2008 Posts: 2,824
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madhaquer wrote:https://www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2019/08/punguza-mizingo-bill-cleared-for-debate-in-counties-as-court-lifts-gag-order/
I am interested in seeing how the various counties debate and react to the bill.
For me the reduction in the current over representation is not a deal breaker especially if we get more funds devolved to the wards. I would rather have a powerful MCA with funds than have the current MP's CDF.
BBI will go to mashinani to tell people not to support punguza mizigo. Money will be needed and will probably be changing hands to sway MCAs, problem is whose money will it be? If the man at the hilltop doesn't provide cash no one else has, and the campaign may flop. If he is interested then it might become some campaign.... When I have money, I get rid of it quickly, lest it find a way into my heart.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/9/2008 Posts: 2,824
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Lolest! wrote:Why do people here want to assume we have 2 options (BBI & Punguza)?
I'm saying No to both. No to Punguza just coz of disenfranchisement.
We vote once in 5 years. Ideally, we should be voting almost weekly on issues but it's not possible. So we delegate to the 2 houses of parliament to debate & vote.
Giving Lamu the same votes as Nairobi is synonymous with giving each Lamu voter 300 votes in a general election while each Nairobi voter gets 1 vote!
That's the system you want to leave for your kids and grandkids?
Not unless Punguza has a provision for weighted votes in parliament, I can't support it.
You guys go support it. If it passes, be sure in under 10 yrs you'll be regretting.
Explain why? Elitism will not suffice with the common voter. When I have money, I get rid of it quickly, lest it find a way into my heart.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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The court was very noncommittal n didn't give clean bill of health to punguza mzigo initiative. So counties can continue debating. Aukot may or may not reach the threshold of 24 counties so barring the initiative at this time is premature. However, take to the bank, he will have his date in court if and when the bill reaches the threshold
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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kingfisher wrote:Lolest! wrote:Why do people here want to assume we have 2 options (BBI & Punguza)?
I'm saying No to both. No to Punguza just coz of disenfranchisement.
We vote once in 5 years. Ideally, we should be voting almost weekly on issues but it's not possible. So we delegate to the 2 houses of parliament to debate & vote.
Giving Lamu the same votes as Nairobi is synonymous with giving each Lamu voter 300 votes in a general election while each Nairobi voter gets 1 vote!
That's the system you want to leave for your kids and grandkids?
Not unless Punguza has a provision for weighted votes in parliament, I can't support it.
You guys go support it. If it passes, be sure in under 10 yrs you'll be regretting.
Explain why? Elitism will not suffice with the common voter. You will wake up to the realisation that your voice has been suppressed by your own vote. Just because people want to vote based on emotions.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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There is nothing wrong with our constitution. Politicians want to change it to take power from the people to empower themselves. It's worse than a military regime. All we need is a judiciary that works. Under our constitution, our judiciary is even much stronger than the US but corruption and budget allocation manipulation to the judiciary by the executive and parliament has stifled any advancement. All we need is a working judiciary not constitutional change and if worse comes to worst, we reject BBI and adopt Punguza Mizigo.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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The first county has passed Punguza Mzigo...Uasin Gishu County!!!!!! Ohh yeaaaa. 23 to go. There's only one problem. The stupid rich people with BIGGG ideas and perfection. Listen. This country is all about stealing. At the top... Let my MCA steal. Pris...Not some nondescript matapaka with a funny named dam. Pungaza Mzigo 1 the rest 0. But I know Kikuyu MCA's will be bribed. But I believe that Ruto has seen the light. From my first post about what he should do... Hii BBI ni upus tu. Punguza Mzigo!!!!!Oye. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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How many counties have approved so far? 1 month or so to go?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/6/2009 Posts: 587
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,901
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Baratang wrote:HandChieth yawa!!!
Has really exposed Jubilee to the core. Otherwise everything would have been Baba. MM ran away when real men stayed around during Nyayo time. Wacha Baba ajienjoy. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/9/2008 Posts: 2,824
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alma1 wrote:The first county has passed Punguza Mzigo...Uasin Gishu County!!!!!! Ohh yeaaaa.
23 to go.
There's only one problem. The stupid rich people with BIGGG ideas and perfection.
Listen.
This country is all about stealing. At the top...
Let my MCA steal. Pris...Not some nondescript matapaka with a funny named dam.
Pungaza Mzigo 1 the rest 0. But I know Kikuyu MCA's will be bribed.
But I believe that Ruto has seen the light. From my first post about what he should do...
Hii BBI ni upus tu.
Punguza Mzigo!!!!!Oye. The ice has now been broken.... When I have money, I get rid of it quickly, lest it find a way into my heart.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,901
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Kirinyaga County Assembly rejects Punguza Mizigo Bill In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/8/2008 Posts: 1,575
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Angelica _ann wrote:Kirinyaga County Assembly rejects Punguza Mizigo Bill My guess is 'central' assemblies zitanunuliwa to stop the train, self preservation I care!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/8/2010 Posts: 1,729
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thuks wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Kirinyaga County Assembly rejects Punguza Mizigo Bill My guess is 'central' assemblies zitanunuliwa to stop the train, self preservation Kununuliwa will depend on which side the governor is. Who wants to lose his seat anyway Life is an endless adventure
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/25/2011 Posts: 2,102 Location: Nrb
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alma1 wrote:The first county has passed Punguza Mzigo...Uasin Gishu County!!!!!! Ohh yeaaaa.
23 to go.
There's only one problem. The stupid rich people with BIGGG ideas and perfection.
Listen.
This country is all about stealing. At the top...
Let my MCA steal. Pris...Not some nondescript matapaka with a funny named dam.
Pungaza Mzigo 1 the rest 0. But I know Kikuyu MCA's will be bribed.
But I believe that Ruto has seen the light. From my first post about what he should do...
Hii BBI ni upus tu.
Punguza Mzigo!!!!!Oye. Oyee! I am happy
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/8/2010 Posts: 1,729
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Waiguru vs Aukot on fire kwa tweetments Life is an endless adventure
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