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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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FUNKY wrote:https://www.nation.co.ke/business/Safaricom-extends-Bob-Collymore-contract/996-5128166-tr71bv/index.html GOK should insist on a competent CEO not a Kenyan CEO. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,451
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sparkly wrote:FUNKY wrote:https://www.nation.co.ke/business/Safaricom-extends-Bob-Collymore-contract/996-5128166-tr71bv/index.html GOK should insist on a competent CEO not a Kenyan CEO. They are not interested in competence, performance or such boring stuff. They are interested in control and the goodies that come with it. Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,979
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MaichBlack wrote:sparkly wrote:FUNKY wrote:https://www.nation.co.ke/business/Safaricom-extends-Bob-Collymore-contract/996-5128166-tr71bv/index.html GOK should insist on a competent CEO not a Kenyan CEO. They are not interested in competence, performance or such boring stuff. They are interested in control and the goodies that come with it. A Kenyan can run Safaricom, S/he just needs to be a person of integrity. Our very own iCT minister run google operations in Subsahara Africa. Look at EABL after foreigners took over management, sometimes it takes understanding of our peculiar culture and habits to thrive. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,639 Location: NAIROBI
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murchr wrote:MaichBlack wrote:sparkly wrote:FUNKY wrote:https://www.nation.co.ke/business/Safaricom-extends-Bob-Collymore-contract/996-5128166-tr71bv/index.html GOK should insist on a competent CEO not a Kenyan CEO. They are not interested in competence, performance or such boring stuff. They are interested in control and the goodies that come with it. A Kenyan can run Safaricom, S/he just needs to be a person of integrity. Our very own iCT minister run google operations in Subsahara Africa. Look at EABL after foreigners took over management, sometimes it takes understanding of our peculiar culture and habits to thrive. The regime was different,one was interested in uplifting the economy,the other is bringing it down. Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,979
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Ericsson wrote:murchr wrote:MaichBlack wrote:sparkly wrote:FUNKY wrote:https://www.nation.co.ke/business/Safaricom-extends-Bob-Collymore-contract/996-5128166-tr71bv/index.html GOK should insist on a competent CEO not a Kenyan CEO. They are not interested in competence, performance or such boring stuff. They are interested in control and the goodies that come with it. A Kenyan can run Safaricom, S/he just needs to be a person of integrity. Our very own iCT minister run google operations in Subsahara Africa. Look at EABL after foreigners took over management, sometimes it takes understanding of our peculiar culture and habits to thrive. The regime was different,one was interested in uplifting the economy,the other is bringing it down. Regime in EABL? How come its not in Safaricom? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/11/2014 Posts: 228 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:MaichBlack wrote:sparkly wrote:FUNKY wrote:https://www.nation.co.ke/business/Safaricom-extends-Bob-Collymore-contract/996-5128166-tr71bv/index.html GOK should insist on a competent CEO not a Kenyan CEO. They are not interested in competence, performance or such boring stuff. They are interested in control and the goodies that come with it. A Kenyan can run Safaricom, S/he just needs to be a person of integrity. Our very own iCT minister run google operations in Subsahara Africa. Look at EABL after foreigners took over management, sometimes it takes understanding of our peculiar culture and habits to thrive. It is not a matter of whether they are able to or not -- of course Kenyans are able to. The problem is the tribalism, cronyism, nepotism, corruption, etc. And running Google is very different from running Safaricom: a politician has almost no sway on what a Google Head does, with most policy stuff handed down. I have seen you quote EABL once or twice in this respect and in truth I do not know how it has fared, but probably the fact that I don't know means it has not done as badly as KQ did under Naikuni
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,639 Location: NAIROBI
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watesh wrote:rwitre wrote:GoK: We want a Kenyan CEO.
Board: Bob, you won't retire.
Board: 1 GoK: 0 I hope he goes for another extra year to 2021. If this govt picks a CEO, there will be massive theft in Safaricom Bob Collymore to remain as Safaricom boss for the next 12-15 months to compensate time spent while he was away on sick leave Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/25/2012 Posts: 1,624 Location: Langley
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Ericsson wrote:watesh wrote:rwitre wrote:GoK: We want a Kenyan CEO.
Board: Bob, you won't retire.
Board: 1 GoK: 0 I hope he goes for another extra year to 2021. If this govt picks a CEO, there will be massive theft in Safaricom Bob Collymore to remain as Safaricom boss for the next 12-15 months to compensate time spent while he was away on sick leave Delaying tactics. If you have built castles in the air, your work need not be lost; that is where they should be. Now put the foundations under them.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,639 Location: NAIROBI
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murchr wrote:Ericsson wrote:murchr wrote:MaichBlack wrote:sparkly wrote:FUNKY wrote:https://www.nation.co.ke/business/Safaricom-extends-Bob-Collymore-contract/996-5128166-tr71bv/index.html GOK should insist on a competent CEO not a Kenyan CEO. They are not interested in competence, performance or such boring stuff. They are interested in control and the goodies that come with it. A Kenyan can run Safaricom, S/he just needs to be a person of integrity. Our very own iCT minister run google operations in Subsahara Africa. Look at EABL after foreigners took over management, sometimes it takes understanding of our peculiar culture and habits to thrive. The regime was different,one was interested in uplifting the economy,the other is bringing it down. Regime in EABL? How come its not in Safaricom? Kibaki/Narc/Grand coalition regime and Jubilee Regime Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,979
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Ericsson wrote:murchr wrote:Ericsson wrote:murchr wrote:MaichBlack wrote:sparkly wrote:FUNKY wrote:https://www.nation.co.ke/business/Safaricom-extends-Bob-Collymore-contract/996-5128166-tr71bv/index.html GOK should insist on a competent CEO not a Kenyan CEO. They are not interested in competence, performance or such boring stuff. They are interested in control and the goodies that come with it. A Kenyan can run Safaricom, S/he just needs to be a person of integrity. Our very own iCT minister run google operations in Subsahara Africa. Look at EABL after foreigners took over management, sometimes it takes understanding of our peculiar culture and habits to thrive. The regime was different,one was interested in uplifting the economy,the other is bringing it down. Regime in EABL? How come its not in Safaricom? Kibaki/Narc/Grand coalition regime and Jubilee Regime How has that affected EABL? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,639 Location: NAIROBI
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Mastermind wrote:Ericsson wrote:watesh wrote:rwitre wrote:GoK: We want a Kenyan CEO.
Board: Bob, you won't retire.
Board: 1 GoK: 0 I hope he goes for another extra year to 2021. If this govt picks a CEO, there will be massive theft in Safaricom Bob Collymore to remain as Safaricom boss for the next 12-15 months to compensate time spent while he was away on sick leave Delaying tactics. “I’m here until the year 2020,” Collymore told reporters on the sidelines of a meeting. He was due to step down in August. “I kind of owed the company... and the board and I agreed we will stretch that for a year.” Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,639 Location: NAIROBI
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murchr wrote:Ericsson wrote:murchr wrote:Ericsson wrote:murchr wrote:MaichBlack wrote:sparkly wrote:FUNKY wrote:https://www.nation.co.ke/business/Safaricom-extends-Bob-Collymore-contract/996-5128166-tr71bv/index.html GOK should insist on a competent CEO not a Kenyan CEO. They are not interested in competence, performance or such boring stuff. They are interested in control and the goodies that come with it. A Kenyan can run Safaricom, S/he just needs to be a person of integrity. Our very own iCT minister run google operations in Subsahara Africa. Look at EABL after foreigners took over management, sometimes it takes understanding of our peculiar culture and habits to thrive. The regime was different,one was interested in uplifting the economy,the other is bringing it down. Regime in EABL? How come its not in Safaricom? Kibaki/Narc/Grand coalition regime and Jubilee Regime How has that affected EABL? In the previous regime local CEOs were given leeway to steer round companies and make them profitable and economy was booming. In the current regime it's the opposite Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,979
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Ericsson wrote:murchr wrote:Ericsson wrote:murchr wrote:Ericsson wrote:murchr wrote:MaichBlack wrote:sparkly wrote:FUNKY wrote:https://www.nation.co.ke/business/Safaricom-extends-Bob-Collymore-contract/996-5128166-tr71bv/index.html GOK should insist on a competent CEO not a Kenyan CEO. They are not interested in competence, performance or such boring stuff. They are interested in control and the goodies that come with it. A Kenyan can run Safaricom, S/he just needs to be a person of integrity. Our very own iCT minister run google operations in Subsahara Africa. Look at EABL after foreigners took over management, sometimes it takes understanding of our peculiar culture and habits to thrive. The regime was different,one was interested in uplifting the economy,the other is bringing it down. Regime in EABL? How come its not in Safaricom? Kibaki/Narc/Grand coalition regime and Jubilee Regime How has that affected EABL? In the previous regime local CEOs were given leeway to steer round companies and make them profitable and economy was booming. In the current regime it's the opposite EABL has foreign Mgt and they cant hack it. So your theory is just an assumption "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,639 Location: NAIROBI
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murchr wrote:Ericsson wrote:murchr wrote:Ericsson wrote:murchr wrote:Ericsson wrote:murchr wrote:MaichBlack wrote:sparkly wrote:FUNKY wrote:https://www.nation.co.ke/business/Safaricom-extends-Bob-Collymore-contract/996-5128166-tr71bv/index.html GOK should insist on a competent CEO not a Kenyan CEO. They are not interested in competence, performance or such boring stuff. They are interested in control and the goodies that come with it. A Kenyan can run Safaricom, S/he just needs to be a person of integrity. Our very own iCT minister run google operations in Subsahara Africa. Look at EABL after foreigners took over management, sometimes it takes understanding of our peculiar culture and habits to thrive. The regime was different,one was interested in uplifting the economy,the other is bringing it down. Regime in EABL? How come its not in Safaricom? Kibaki/Narc/Grand coalition regime and Jubilee Regime How has that affected EABL? In the previous regime local CEOs were given leeway to steer round companies and make them profitable and economy was booming. In the current regime it's the opposite EABL has foreign Mgt and they cant hack it. So your theory is just an assumption Profit before Tax may clock ksh.100bn++ by the time Bob Is exiting. HY to be announced in November will give the guidance. Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,451
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murchr wrote:MaichBlack wrote:sparkly wrote:FUNKY wrote:https://www.nation.co.ke/business/Safaricom-extends-Bob-Collymore-contract/996-5128166-tr71bv/index.html GOK should insist on a competent CEO not a Kenyan CEO. They are not interested in competence, performance or such boring stuff. They are interested in control and the goodies that come with it. A Kenyan can run Safaricom, S/he just needs to be a person of integrity. Our very own iCT minister run google operations in Subsahara Africa. Look at EABL after foreigners took over management, sometimes it takes understanding of our peculiar culture and habits to thrive. This is a terrible comparison. You totally miss the point!!! The problem is the GOK + Safaricom (or any company actually) combination. And the Jubilee government at that!! Kenyans can run stuff!!! We are mostly Kenyans here aren't we?? We run stuff our own way. Next you will tell us Equity is run by a Kenyan, Sijui Centum is run by a Kenyan, Sijui Chandaria... Shida ni Serikali mzee. And the Kenyan who will be selected by individuals with other agendas other than the performance and profitability of the company. Are we tugeza!!!??? Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,639 Location: NAIROBI
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MaichBlack wrote:murchr wrote:MaichBlack wrote:sparkly wrote:FUNKY wrote:https://www.nation.co.ke/business/Safaricom-extends-Bob-Collymore-contract/996-5128166-tr71bv/index.html GOK should insist on a competent CEO not a Kenyan CEO. They are not interested in competence, performance or such boring stuff. They are interested in control and the goodies that come with it. A Kenyan can run Safaricom, S/he just needs to be a person of integrity. Our very own iCT minister run google operations in Subsahara Africa. Look at EABL after foreigners took over management, sometimes it takes understanding of our peculiar culture and habits to thrive. This is a terrible comparison. You totally miss the point!!! The problem is the GOK + Safaricom (or any company actually) combination. And the Jubilee government at that!! Kenyans can run stuff!!! We are mostly Kenyans here aren't we?? We run stuff our own way. Next you will tell us Equity is run by a Kenyan, Sijui Centum is run by a Kenyan, Sijui Chandaria... Shida ni Serikali mzee. And the Kenyan who will be selected by individuals with other agendas other than the performance and profitability of the company. Are we tugeza!!!??? Yes we are MaichBlack.Thanks for the way you have explained so that the likes of murchr can understand. Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,979
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MaichBlack wrote:murchr wrote:MaichBlack wrote:sparkly wrote:FUNKY wrote:https://www.nation.co.ke/business/Safaricom-extends-Bob-Collymore-contract/996-5128166-tr71bv/index.html GOK should insist on a competent CEO not a Kenyan CEO. They are not interested in competence, performance or such boring stuff. They are interested in control and the goodies that come with it. A Kenyan can run Safaricom, S/he just needs to be a person of integrity. Our very own iCT minister run google operations in Subsahara Africa. Look at EABL after foreigners took over management, sometimes it takes understanding of our peculiar culture and habits to thrive. This is a terrible comparison. You totally miss the point!!! The problem is the GOK + Safaricom (or any company actually) combination. And the Jubilee government at that!! Kenyans can run stuff!!! We are mostly Kenyans here aren't we?? We run stuff our own way. Next you will tell us Equity is run by a Kenyan, Sijui Centum is run by a Kenyan, Sijui Chandaria... Shida ni Serikali mzee. And the Kenyan who will be selected by individuals with other agendas other than the performance and profitability of the company. Are we tugeza!!!??? Safaricom is mainly run by Kenyans. The CEO was confined in a hospital for a year but the company didnt stop. All those companies collapsing everyday are very privately run, ARM, being an example. At the end of the day, the CEO answers to Vodacom not GOK, if not a Kenyan then it will be a South African, and if that's the case it will be another CFC "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,451
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murchr wrote:MaichBlack wrote:murchr wrote:MaichBlack wrote:sparkly wrote:FUNKY wrote:https://www.nation.co.ke/business/Safaricom-extends-Bob-Collymore-contract/996-5128166-tr71bv/index.html GOK should insist on a competent CEO not a Kenyan CEO. They are not interested in competence, performance or such boring stuff. They are interested in control and the goodies that come with it. A Kenyan can run Safaricom, S/he just needs to be a person of integrity. Our very own iCT minister run google operations in Subsahara Africa. Look at EABL after foreigners took over management, sometimes it takes understanding of our peculiar culture and habits to thrive. This is a terrible comparison. You totally miss the point!!! The problem is the GOK + Safaricom (or any company actually) combination. And the Jubilee government at that!! Kenyans can run stuff!!! We are mostly Kenyans here aren't we?? We run stuff our own way. Next you will tell us Equity is run by a Kenyan, Sijui Centum is run by a Kenyan, Sijui Chandaria... Shida ni Serikali mzee. And the Kenyan who will be selected by individuals with other agendas other than the performance and profitability of the company. Are we tugeza!!!??? Safaricom is mainly run by Kenyans. The CEO was confined in a hospital for a year but the company didnt stop. All those companies collapsing everyday are very privately run, ARM, being an example. At the end of the day, the CEO answers to Vodacom not GOK, if not a Kenyan then it will be a South African, and if that's the case it will be another CFC GOK is playing a very dangerous game (for the company, shareholders, the industry etc.) Their reasoning is that they are joint majority shareholders with Vodafone having 5% shareholding and GOK and Vodacom South Africa holding 35% each. Don't be so sure of who GOK wants the CEO to be answering to!!! Serikali ni kuionea mbali!!! Wewe shinda hapo tu!! Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,979
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MaichBlack wrote:murchr wrote:MaichBlack wrote:murchr wrote:MaichBlack wrote:sparkly wrote:FUNKY wrote:https://www.nation.co.ke/business/Safaricom-extends-Bob-Collymore-contract/996-5128166-tr71bv/index.html GOK should insist on a competent CEO not a Kenyan CEO. They are not interested in competence, performance or such boring stuff. They are interested in control and the goodies that come with it. A Kenyan can run Safaricom, S/he just needs to be a person of integrity. Our very own iCT minister run google operations in Subsahara Africa. Look at EABL after foreigners took over management, sometimes it takes understanding of our peculiar culture and habits to thrive. This is a terrible comparison. You totally miss the point!!! The problem is the GOK + Safaricom (or any company actually) combination. And the Jubilee government at that!! Kenyans can run stuff!!! We are mostly Kenyans here aren't we?? We run stuff our own way. Next you will tell us Equity is run by a Kenyan, Sijui Centum is run by a Kenyan, Sijui Chandaria... Shida ni Serikali mzee. And the Kenyan who will be selected by individuals with other agendas other than the performance and profitability of the company. Are we tugeza!!!??? Safaricom is mainly run by Kenyans. The CEO was confined in a hospital for a year but the company didnt stop. All those companies collapsing everyday are very privately run, ARM, being an example. At the end of the day, the CEO answers to Vodacom not GOK, if not a Kenyan then it will be a South African, and if that's the case it will be another CFC GOK is playing a very dangerous game (for the company, shareholders, the industry etc.) Their reasoning is that they are joint majority shareholders with Vodacom having 5% shareholding and GOK and Vodacom South Africa holding 35% each. Don't be so sure of who GOK wants the CEO to be answering to!!! Serikali ni kuionea mbali!!! Wewe shinda hapo tu!! Correction' Vodafone UK - 5% If not a Kenyan then South African. When they bought the company, an internal email was circulated telling employees that this was good news for them as it brought about opportunities "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,052 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:MaichBlack wrote:murchr wrote:MaichBlack wrote:sparkly wrote:FUNKY wrote:https://www.nation.co.ke/business/Safaricom-extends-Bob-Collymore-contract/996-5128166-tr71bv/index.html GOK should insist on a competent CEO not a Kenyan CEO. They are not interested in competence, performance or such boring stuff. They are interested in control and the goodies that come with it. A Kenyan can run Safaricom, S/he just needs to be a person of integrity. Our very own iCT minister run google operations in Subsahara Africa. Look at EABL after foreigners took over management, sometimes it takes understanding of our peculiar culture and habits to thrive. This is a terrible comparison. You totally miss the point!!! The problem is the GOK + Safaricom (or any company actually) combination. And the Jubilee government at that!! Kenyans can run stuff!!! We are mostly Kenyans here aren't we?? We run stuff our own way. Next you will tell us Equity is run by a Kenyan, Sijui Centum is run by a Kenyan, Sijui Chandaria... Shida ni Serikali mzee. And the Kenyan who will be selected by individuals with other agendas other than the performance and profitability of the company. Are we tugeza!!!??? Safaricom is mainly run by Kenyans. The CEO was confined in a hospital for a year but the company didnt stop. All those companies collapsing everyday are very privately run, ARM, being an example. At the end of the day, the CEO answers to Vodacom not GOK, if not a Kenyan then it will be a South African, and if that's the case it will be another CFC 1) ARM wasn't a drag on the taxpayer. The losses were borne by "private" guys. 2) NBK, KPLC, KQ, etc. The list is long. A competent CEO but one who owes his appointment to GoK is vulnerable. 3) KLM shares > GoK shares in KQ with Naikuni (ex-GoK) as CEO. Even then we saw what happened at KQ. Over $1bn lost in less than 7 years. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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