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The Foreign affairs ministry has kicked out Somalia's ambassador to Kenya and recalled the Kenyan envoy in Mogadishu. The beef is some off shore oil prospecting block that's claimed by both countries. Kenya says Somalia has gone ahead and auctioned the block in a London auction.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Tricky situation. Such tension may worsen things regarding even the war against al Shabaab who may score propaganda points.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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Looks to me like Somali's wisening up with someone's help and it is not us.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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This case has been in the hague for years, was it concluded? If you look at the pictures you'll wonder who in their right mind would buy those blocks. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:This case has been in the hague for years, was it concluded? If you look at the pictures you'll wonder who in their right mind would buy those blocks. Whoever is buying them is hoping to take advantage while the matter takes it's long course in court then take another long court battle with them after. They'll have nothing to lose, after all, this oil thing is like a brotherhood between companies, it's a monopoly.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 299 Location: kenya
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2012 wrote:murchr wrote:This case has been in the hague for years, was it concluded? If you look at the pictures you'll wonder who in their right mind would buy those blocks. Whoever is buying them is hoping to take advantage while the matter takes it's long course in court then take another long court battle with them after. They'll have nothing to lose, after all, this oil thing is like a brotherhood between companies, it's a monopoly. ICJ ni koti ya Mbeberu.These colonialist could have decided to go to bed with Somalia and that would allow them easy access to our oil deposits.Court would just rule against Kenya and that would seal our fate.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/15/2010 Posts: 454 Location: Nairobi
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popat wrote:2012 wrote:murchr wrote:This case has been in the hague for years, was it concluded? If you look at the pictures you'll wonder who in their right mind would buy those blocks. Whoever is buying them is hoping to take advantage while the matter takes it's long course in court then take another long court battle with them after. They'll have nothing to lose, after all, this oil thing is like a brotherhood between companies, it's a monopoly. ICJ ni koti ya Mbeberu.These colonialist could have decided to go to bed with Somalia and that would allow them easy access to our oil deposits.Court would just rule against Kenya and that would seal our fate. Me think, this is a diversionary tactics. Keep Kenyans busy with USELESS topic while MAIN issues affecting them are swept under. Govt is seriously in cash-flow crunch!! ....He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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 Can't we demarcate our border with TZ the same way the Somalis have done(extrapolation)?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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Lolest! wrote:Can't we demarcate our border with TZ the same way the Somalis have done(extrapolation)? Looks Logical & reasonable enough. We should share that disputed area like Kashmir.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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Lolest! wrote:Can't we demarcate our border with TZ the same way the Somalis have done(extrapolation)? The issue is "what can you get away with?" All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/17/2008 Posts: 488
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2012 wrote:Lolest! wrote:Can't we demarcate our border with TZ the same way the Somalis have done(extrapolation)? Looks Logical & reasonable enough. We should share that disputed area like Kashmir. I beg to differ. Suppose the tip of our border with TZ juts out in the opposite direction (and there are such cases elsewhere) to this one; wouldn't we end up with a rather small share of the ocean once the two lines intersect.
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/6/2009 Posts: 587
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gk wrote:2012 wrote:Lolest! wrote:Can't we demarcate our border with TZ the same way the Somalis have done(extrapolation)? Looks Logical & reasonable enough. We should share that disputed area like Kashmir. I beg to differ. Suppose the tip of our border with TZ juts out in the opposite direction (and there are such cases elsewhere) to this one; wouldn't we end up with a rather small share of the ocean once the two lines intersect. @gk there is no possibility of the two imaginery lines intersecting within the first 20,000km.they are almost parallel. 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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2012 wrote:Lolest! wrote:Can't we demarcate our border with TZ the same way the Somalis have done(extrapolation)? Looks Logical & reasonable enough. We should share that disputed area like Kashmir. If they go by Somalia's line of thought then Somalia will infringe into Kenyan territory (12 Nautical miles) "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/6/2009 Posts: 587
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What would happen if Kenya decided to withdraw her soldiers from Somalia? Would it not be a blessing in disguise for the troops withdrawal as this would give Nairobi an opportunity to take back this maritime triangle effortlessly? 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:2012 wrote:Lolest! wrote:Can't we demarcate our border with TZ the same way the Somalis have done(extrapolation)? Looks Logical & reasonable enough. We should share that disputed area like Kashmir. If they go by Somalia's line of thought then Somalia will infringe into Kenyan territory (12 Nautical miles) What if they drew a border line right in the middle of that desputed area? Or they decide never to allow any economical activity there and leave it as that? (Although I know human greed only sees money everywhere).
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/8/2010 Posts: 1,729
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2012 wrote:murchr wrote:2012 wrote:Lolest! wrote:Can't we demarcate our border with TZ the same way the Somalis have done(extrapolation)? Looks Logical & reasonable enough. We should share that disputed area like Kashmir. If they go by Somalia's line of thought then Somalia will infringe into Kenyan territory (12 Nautical miles) What if they drew a border line right in the middle of that desputed area? Or they decide never to allow any economical activity there and leave it as that? (Although I know human greed only sees money everywhere). From maritime bounday standards, somalia is right and kenya is wrong, ICJ will rule for Somalia Life is an endless adventure
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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gk wrote:2012 wrote:Lolest! wrote:Can't we demarcate our border with TZ the same way the Somalis have done(extrapolation)? Looks Logical & reasonable enough. We should share that disputed area like Kashmir. I beg to differ. Suppose the tip of our border with TZ juts out in the opposite direction (and there are such cases elsewhere) to this one; wouldn't we end up with a rather small share of the ocean once the two lines intersect. I think you do not extrapolate the border into the sea, rather while standing at any point on the coastline within your territory you are supposed to look directly out into the sea and those are the territorial waters that belong to you.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/28/2015 Posts: 1,247
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freiks wrote:2012 wrote:murchr wrote:2012 wrote:Lolest! wrote:Can't we demarcate our border with TZ the same way the Somalis have done(extrapolation)? Looks Logical & reasonable enough. We should share that disputed area like Kashmir. If they go by Somalia's line of thought then Somalia will infringe into Kenyan territory (12 Nautical miles) What if they drew a border line right in the middle of that desputed area? Or they decide never to allow any economical activity there and leave it as that? (Although I know human greed only sees money everywhere). From maritime bounday standards, somalia is right and kenya is wrong, ICJ will rule for Somalia I beg to differ, you don't extrapolate your boundary, you assume the latitude at point where your boundary hits the shoreline. Thus, Kenya is right and our peers are wrong. Somalia being easier to whack, got whacked, whacking us too. The whacker just playing what you can get away with to both Kenyans and Somalians, Kenyans most for we have to battle it out with a oiled girl in bed with the big boot owner. ,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/28/2015 Posts: 1,247
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2012 wrote:Looks to me like Somali's wisening up with someone's help and it is not us. Quiz, do the prospectus do due diligence on such acquisitions. If yes, should it not be fair to support late professor Ali Mazurui's call for nuclearisation of African states just like Kim Jing Jong did ,just, at least to stand our grounds on our sovereignty. Once eaten twice the sweeter. Northern Kenya, Western Kenya, Trukana lake regions among others are all potentially disputable areas ready to be eaten too. Who is next. And for avoidance of any doubts, am a Kenyan, and am free to think Kenyan on matters affecting me as a Kenyan. ,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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muandiwambeu wrote:2012 wrote:Looks to me like Somali's wisening up with someone's help and it is not us. Quiz, do the prospectus do due diligence on such acquisitions. If yes, should it not be fair to support late professor Ali Mazurui's call for nuclearisation of African states just like Kim Jing Jong did ,just, at least to stand our grounds on our sovereignty. Once eaten twice the sweeter. Northern Kenya, Western Kenya, Turkana lake regions among others are all potentially disputable areas ready to be eaten too. Who is next. And for avoidance of any doubts, am a Kenyan, and am free to think Kenyan on matters affecting me as a Kenyan. Just as yo let your thoughts go wild, remember that the Cushites arrived in modern day Kenya before the Nilotes came from east of the Nile, before Bantus came from central Africa eastwards and southwards... I thought you should know As for the nuclearisation, I agree with you. This will boost our manufacturing by reducing cost of production... It will also improve balance of power, sending a signal to others not to mess with us...
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