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#1 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2019 8:39:34 AM
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Can you believe that colonial concept is still in force to this day?? That walking freely in this free nation is an offense?

One of my relatives was arrested last night for loitering, I went with a lawyer to the station and they could not prove leave alone explain the offense. It's basically an avenue for extortion. These are the small idiotic thing that hold this nation back.

BBI will solve it :)
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#2 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2019 8:44:46 AM
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2012 wrote:
Can you believe that colonial concept is still in force to this day?? That walking freely in this free nation is an offense?

One of my relatives was arrested last night for loitering, I went with a lawyer to the station and they could not prove leave alone explain the offense. It's basically an avenue for extortion. These are the small idiotic thing that hold this nation back.


Pole to you and your relative. Funny how this "offense" only occurs at night.
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MugundaMan
#3 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2019 2:44:13 PM
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2012 wrote:
Can you believe that colonial concept is still in force to this day?? That walking freely in this free nation is an offense?

One of my relatives was arrested last night for loitering, I went with a lawyer to the station and they could not prove leave alone explain the offense. It's basically an avenue for extortion. These are the small idiotic thing that hold this nation back.


Give us context. Was he drunk? At a bar? What was he doing walking fuaaa usiku at night? Not saying he is necessarily guilty. Just want to know the context kindogo.
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#4 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2019 5:25:07 PM
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MugundaMan wrote:
2012 wrote:
Can you believe that colonial concept is still in force to this day?? That walking freely in this free nation is an offense?

One of my relatives was arrested last night for loitering, I went with a lawyer to the station and they could not prove leave alone explain the offense. It's basically an avenue for extortion. These are the small idiotic thing that hold this nation back.


Give us context. Was he drunk? At a bar? What was he doing walking fuaaa usiku at night? Not saying he is necessarily guilty. Just want to know the context kindogo.


Hehe. Afande tulia. Ama ocpd ni wa cell group yenu and custodian of heavenly keys?
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#5 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2019 6:45:13 PM
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tycho wrote:
MugundaMan wrote:
2012 wrote:
Can you believe that colonial concept is still in force to this day?? That walking freely in this free nation is an offense?

One of my relatives was arrested last night for loitering, I went with a lawyer to the station and they could not prove leave alone explain the offense. It's basically an avenue for extortion. These are the small idiotic thing that hold this nation back.


Give us context. Was he drunk? At a bar? What was he doing walking fuaaa usiku at night? Not saying he is necessarily guilty. Just want to know the context kindogo.


Hehe. Afande tulia. Ama ocpd ni wa cell group yenu and custodian of heavenly keys?


@Mugundaman's questions are very valid, the context of the case are important.
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thuks
#6 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2019 9:19:55 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
tycho wrote:
MugundaMan wrote:
2012 wrote:
Can you believe that colonial concept is still in force to this day?? That walking freely in this free nation is an offense?

One of my relatives was arrested last night for loitering, I went with a lawyer to the station and they could not prove leave alone explain the offense. It's basically an avenue for extortion. These are the small idiotic thing that hold this nation back.


Give us context. Was he drunk? At a bar? What was he doing walking fuaaa usiku at night? Not saying he is necessarily guilty. Just want to know the context kindogo.


Hehe. Afande tulia. Ama ocpd ni wa cell group yenu and custodian of heavenly keys?


@Mugundaman's questions are very valid, the context of the case are important.

You mean one cannot freely walk at night even if to defuse build up of 'tension in the house'?
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#7 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2019 11:23:15 PM
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2012 wrote:
Can you believe that colonial concept is still in force to this day?? That walking freely in this free nation is an offense?

One of my relatives was arrested last night for loitering, I went with a lawyer to the station and they could not prove leave alone explain the offense. It's basically an avenue for extortion. These are the small idiotic thing that hold this nation back.


Loitering with intent to participate in crime is indeed an offence under the Kanju bylaws. That's the charge they usually put on ladies of the night.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
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MugundaMan
#8 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2019 8:24:12 AM
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kaka2za wrote:
2012 wrote:
Can you believe that colonial concept is still in force to this day?? That walking freely in this free nation is an offense?

One of my relatives was arrested last night for loitering, I went with a lawyer to the station and they could not prove leave alone explain the offense. It's basically an avenue for extortion. These are the small idiotic thing that hold this nation back.


Loitering with intent to participate in crime is indeed an offence under the Kanju bylaws. That's the charge they usually put on ladies of the night.


You've introduced yet another valid angle. Suppose he was pulling a "Jaden Smith" flagging down cars with male Johns in them, it would be a valid reason to arrest for loitering. This world is kurazy so anything is possible but 2012 should tell us more. The info he gave us is too litro to come to a conclusion as to why it happened.
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#9 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2019 11:50:29 AM
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MugundaMan wrote:
2012 wrote:
Can you believe that colonial concept is still in force to this day?? That walking freely in this free nation is an offense?

One of my relatives was arrested last night for loitering, I went with a lawyer to the station and they could not prove leave alone explain the offense. It's basically an avenue for extortion. These are the small idiotic thing that hold this nation back.


Give us context. Was he drunk? At a bar? What was he doing walking fuaaa usiku at night? Not saying he is necessarily guilty. Just want to know the context kindogo.


No, he was not drunk. If drunk, you are arrested for drunk and disorderly. Loitering means exactly that, you were walking around. But you can clearly conclude on what they wanted. In Nakuru when Nairobians flood the town for rugby in Easter, they get one of you if you are in a group and tell him to tell his friends to sort the matter or he'll await court on Tuesday from Friday.

BBI will solve it :)
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tycho
#10 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2019 1:01:20 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
tycho wrote:
MugundaMan wrote:
2012 wrote:
Can you believe that colonial concept is still in force to this day?? That walking freely in this free nation is an offense?

One of my relatives was arrested last night for loitering, I went with a lawyer to the station and they could not prove leave alone explain the offense. It's basically an avenue for extortion. These are the small idiotic thing that hold this nation back.


Give us context. Was he drunk? At a bar? What was he doing walking fuaaa usiku at night? Not saying he is necessarily guilty. Just want to know the context kindogo.


Hehe. Afande tulia. Ama ocpd ni wa cell group yenu and custodian of heavenly keys?


@Mugundaman's questions are very valid, the context of the case are important.


Kesi ya loitering si kitu ya kufata sana, eti tunataka context.

Going with a lawyer kwa station may even be overkill. You end up using a lot of money for nothing.

Some things may be valid but wrong.
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Wakanyugi
#11 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2019 5:07:04 PM
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MugundaMan wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
2012 wrote:
Can you believe that colonial concept is still in force to this day?? That walking freely in this free nation is an offense?

One of my relatives was arrested last night for loitering, I went with a lawyer to the station and they could not prove leave alone explain the offense. It's basically an avenue for extortion. These are the small idiotic thing that hold this nation back.


Loitering with intent to participate in crime is indeed an offence under the Kanju bylaws. That's the charge they usually put on ladies of the night.


You've introduced yet another valid angle. Suppose he was pulling a "Jaden Smith" flagging down cars with male Johns in them, it would be a valid reason to arrest for loitering. This world is kurazy so anything is possible but 2012 should tell us more. The info he gave us is too litro to come to a conclusion as to why it happened.


Tell them

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