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Kenya Power FY 2017/2018
VituVingiSana
#201 Posted : Friday, November 23, 2018 1:24:40 AM
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Location: Nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
Profit before tax at ksh.3.089bn
Profit after tax at ksh.1.918bn
No dividend declared
After all the drama, this is much better than I expected. Compare this to some firms that have not turned a profit for 6 years running.
Have the accounts been qualified?
What's the EPS?
How many shares does KPLC have?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#202 Posted : Friday, November 23, 2018 6:21:23 AM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,475
Location: nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Profit before tax at ksh.3.089bn
Profit after tax at ksh.1.918bn
No dividend declared

Terrible


To imagine this is massaged, wapi chairmansmile

Cashflow position negative ksh.7.6bn

Dead company. If GoK wasnt part of it, would
be suspended by now.. It's insolvent

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
obiero
#203 Posted : Friday, November 23, 2018 6:23:48 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,475
Location: nairobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Profit before tax at ksh.3.089bn
Profit after tax at ksh.1.918bn
No dividend declared
After all the drama, this is much better than I expected. Compare this to some firms that have not turned a profit for 6 years running.
Have the accounts been qualified?
What's the EPS?
How many shares does KPLC have?

Constantly staring at the rear view mirror while driving is not a proper way of going through an investment journey..Seeing an ex doing better in someone else's hands is always painful. Accept
and move on

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
Fyatu
#204 Posted : Friday, November 23, 2018 7:42:14 AM
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Joined: 1/20/2011
Posts: 1,820
Location: Nakuru
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Profit before tax at ksh.3.089bn
Profit after tax at ksh.1.918bn
No dividend declared
After all the drama, this is much better than I expected. Compare this to some firms that have not turned a profit for 6 years running.
Have the accounts been qualified?
What's the EPS?
How many shares does KPLC have?



Going by the numbers provided by @Ericsson, the EPS is ksh. 1 or thereabouts. Therefore earnings = 28% given the current share price of 3.6. How is Return on Assets(ROA) calculated for firms such as Kenya power? What is the formula? I told you this firm if well managed can rival Safaricom
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
Sober
#205 Posted : Friday, November 23, 2018 8:22:31 AM
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Joined: 11/27/2007
Posts: 3,604
Fyatu wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Profit before tax at ksh.3.089bn
Profit after tax at ksh.1.918bn
No dividend declared
After all the drama, this is much better than I expected. Compare this to some firms that have not turned a profit for 6 years running.
Have the accounts been qualified?
What's the EPS?
How many shares does KPLC have?



Going by the numbers provided by @Ericsson, the EPS is ksh. 1 or thereabouts. Therefore earnings = 28% given the current share price of 3.6. How is Return on Assets(ROA) calculated for firms such as Kenya power? What is the formula? I told you this firm if well managed can rival Safaricom


NIL dividends down from 2017's 0.5 per share. Waiting for the market to open we see some massacre
African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
Ericsson
#206 Posted : Friday, November 23, 2018 8:24:43 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,641
Location: NAIROBI
Fyatu wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Profit before tax at ksh.3.089bn
Profit after tax at ksh.1.918bn
No dividend declared
After all the drama, this is much better than I expected. Compare this to some firms that have not turned a profit for 6 years running.
Have the accounts been qualified?
What's the EPS?
How many shares does KPLC have?



Going by the numbers provided by @Ericsson, the EPS is ksh. 1 or thereabouts. Therefore earnings = 28% given the current share price of 3.6. How is Return on Assets(ROA) calculated for firms such as Kenya power? What is the formula? I told you this firm if well managed can rival Safaricom


The key measure for this company isn't the EPS.
The problem with this company is cashflow and debt.
It's now relying on short term borrowings to meet it's daily obligations.A big chunk of its cash is going towards debt repayments.
A look at the balance sheet and the P&L statement shows that long term debt reduced by ksh.23bn,ksh.7.8bn was spent on finance costs.
The company cashflow position is at negative ksh.7.6bn
The current liabilities have doubled over the past two years.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Ericsson
#207 Posted : Friday, November 23, 2018 8:27:11 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,641
Location: NAIROBI
Sober wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Profit before tax at ksh.3.089bn
Profit after tax at ksh.1.918bn
No dividend declared
After all the drama, this is much better than I expected. Compare this to some firms that have not turned a profit for 6 years running.
Have the accounts been qualified?
What's the EPS?
How many shares does KPLC have?



Going by the numbers provided by @Ericsson, the EPS is ksh. 1 or thereabouts. Therefore earnings = 28% given the current share price of 3.6. How is Return on Assets(ROA) calculated for firms such as Kenya power? What is the formula? I told you this firm if well managed can rival Safaricom


NIL dividends down from 2017's 0.5 per share. Waiting for the market to open we see some massacre

You were expecting a dividend
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Queen
#208 Posted : Friday, November 23, 2018 8:38:35 AM
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Joined: 11/21/2018
Posts: 561
Location: Britain
KaunganaDoDo wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
KaunganaDoDo wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Arap Mashamba is taking a break. Atarudi.
Which worries me about KenRe.


We need to research as to which companies were doing well during mtukufu rais moi regime especially here in NSE.


Now let's wait for the figures


Am told because of the Commissioning of LTWP and REA Garissa, there will be no news today. MARK YOUR CALENDAR for THURSDAY 22


I see no mentioning of Commissioning of LTWP and REA Garissa today.


But PBT should be in the range of 2.5 to 3.1...Take the best case scenario of 3.1 due to reduced provisioning


Predictions don't come more accurate than this. Hongera!
Ericsson
#209 Posted : Friday, November 23, 2018 9:19:50 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,641
Location: NAIROBI
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Profit before tax at ksh.3.089bn
Profit after tax at ksh.1.918bn
No dividend declared
After all the drama, this is much better than I expected. Compare this to some firms that have not turned a profit for 6 years running.
Have the accounts been qualified?
What's the EPS?Kshs 0.98
How many shares does KPLC have?

Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Fyatu
#210 Posted : Friday, November 23, 2018 9:31:37 AM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 1/20/2011
Posts: 1,820
Location: Nakuru
Queen wrote:
KaunganaDoDo wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
KaunganaDoDo wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Arap Mashamba is taking a break. Atarudi.
Which worries me about KenRe.


We need to research as to which companies were doing well during mtukufu rais moi regime especially here in NSE.


Now let's wait for the figures


Am told because of the Commissioning of LTWP and REA Garissa, there will be no news today. MARK YOUR CALENDAR for THURSDAY 22


I see no mentioning of Commissioning of LTWP and REA Garissa today.


But PBT should be in the range of 2.5 to 3.1...Take the best case scenario of 3.1 due to reduced provisioning


Predictions don't come more accurate than this. Hongera!


This dude is Mr. Reddy Kilowatt himself. He is an insider
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
Ericsson
#211 Posted : Friday, November 23, 2018 9:41:37 AM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,641
Location: NAIROBI
https://pbs.twimg.com/me...qmUb7WoAAqs2d.jpg:large

Link to the results
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
obiero
#212 Posted : Friday, November 23, 2018 10:14:39 AM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,475
Location: nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
Sober wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Profit before tax at ksh.3.089bn
Profit after tax at ksh.1.918bn
No dividend declared
After all the drama, this is much better than I expected. Compare this to some firms that have not turned a profit for 6 years running.
Have the accounts been qualified?
What's the EPS?
How many shares does KPLC have?



Going by the numbers provided by @Ericsson, the EPS is ksh. 1 or thereabouts. Therefore earnings = 28% given the current share price of 3.6. How is Return on Assets(ROA) calculated for firms such as Kenya power? What is the formula? I told you this firm if well managed can rival Safaricom


NIL dividends down from 2017's 0.5 per share. Waiting for the market to open we see some massacre

You were expecting a dividend

Hahaha

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
KaunganaDoDo
#213 Posted : Friday, November 23, 2018 10:14:55 AM
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Joined: 8/6/2018
Posts: 292
Ericsson wrote:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DsqmUb7WoAAqs2d.jpg:large

Link to the results


The MD has confirmed that the Accounts were qualified . What they published today doesn't have Auditor's Opinions
Sober
#214 Posted : Friday, November 23, 2018 10:18:44 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 11/27/2007
Posts: 3,604
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Profit before tax at ksh.3.089bn
Profit after tax at ksh.1.918bn
No dividend declared
After all the drama, this is much better than I expected. Compare this to some firms that have not turned a profit for 6 years running.
Have the accounts been qualified?
What's the EPS?Kshs 0.98
How many shares does KPLC have?



Shares issued: 1,951,467,045
African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
Ericsson
#215 Posted : Friday, November 23, 2018 10:32:01 AM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,641
Location: NAIROBI
Eng. Jared Othieno:
Provisions for bad debts in excess of 30 days increased substantially from 747M in 2017 to 6B in 2018 due to a more prudent approach in anticipation of the new financial standards that require higher credit provisioning for credit losses.
The future outlook of the Company is great and we assure all investors and shareholders that we have put in place proper measures to move us to greater heights. We thank you all!

As government, we cannot allow Kenya Power to fall Dr (Eng) Joseph Njoroge, Permanent Secretary, Ministry of Energy
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Ericsson
#216 Posted : Friday, November 23, 2018 10:53:35 AM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,641
Location: NAIROBI
Now let's wait for the Half year results 3 months from now.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
lochaz-index
#217 Posted : Friday, November 23, 2018 10:57:17 AM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 9/18/2014
Posts: 1,127
Ericsson wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Profit before tax at ksh.3.089bn
Profit after tax at ksh.1.918bn
No dividend declared
After all the drama, this is much better than I expected. Compare this to some firms that have not turned a profit for 6 years running.
Have the accounts been qualified?
What's the EPS?
How many shares does KPLC have?



Going by the numbers provided by @Ericsson, the EPS is ksh. 1 or thereabouts. Therefore earnings = 28% given the current share price of 3.6. How is Return on Assets(ROA) calculated for firms such as Kenya power? What is the formula? I told you this firm if well managed can rival Safaricom


The key measure for this company isn't the EPS.
The problem with this company is cashflow and debt.
It's now relying on short term borrowings to meet it's daily obligations.A big chunk of its cash is going towards debt repayments.
A look at the balance sheet and the P&L statement shows that long term debt reduced by ksh.23bn,ksh.7.8bn was spent on finance costs.
The company cashflow position is at negative ksh.7.6bn
The current liabilities have doubled over the past two years.

The vital cashflow position (operating and investing) is positive and that is what is used to generate cashflow per share. The financing bit is an FYI appendage coz it isn't internally generated from the core activities of the firm but rather a debt book figure. For example if Kenya Power had taken on more debt than it had paid down in the period reported the net cash position from financing activities would have been a positive and will help fib the bottom line net cash position.

The worrying bit is the negative working capital. As much as they paid down long term debt to the tune of 23b they took on short term obligations and decimated its cash holdings (probably from penalties of nonpayment) while at it. This will cripple the firm if the same trend persists.

For the P&L, both the gross and operating margins are shrinking...and after the supposed fudging that's been talked about. As for the ROA, even working with the bottom line of 3b, for a firm with an asset book in excess of 336b that is a paltry 0.89%.
The main purpose of the stock market is to make fools of as many people as possible.
Ebenyo
#218 Posted : Friday, November 23, 2018 11:18:53 AM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 4/4/2016
Posts: 1,996
Location: Kitale
Angelica _ann wrote:
obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Profit before tax at ksh.3.089bn
Profit after tax at ksh.1.918bn
No dividend declared

Terrible


To imagine this is massaged, wapi chairmansmile


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Ericsson ndio chairman.
Towards the goal of financial freedom
Ericsson
#219 Posted : Friday, November 23, 2018 11:24:25 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,641
Location: NAIROBI
obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Profit before tax at ksh.3.089bn
Profit after tax at ksh.1.918bn
No dividend declared

Terrible


To imagine this is massaged, wapi chairmansmile

Cashflow position negative ksh.7.6bn

Dead company. If GoK wasnt part of it, would
be suspended by now.. It's insolvent


Company is in negative working capital,current liabilities having exceeded current liabilities by Sh51.67 billion or 48.5 per cent.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Ebenyo
#220 Posted : Friday, November 23, 2018 11:32:47 AM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 4/4/2016
Posts: 1,996
Location: Kitale
Fyatu wrote:
Queen wrote:
KaunganaDoDo wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
KaunganaDoDo wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Arap Mashamba is taking a break. Atarudi.
Which worries me about KenRe.


We need to research as to which companies were doing well during mtukufu rais moi regime especially here in NSE.


Now let's wait for the figures


Am told because of the Commissioning of LTWP and REA Garissa, there will be no news today. MARK YOUR CALENDAR for THURSDAY 22


I see no mentioning of Commissioning of LTWP and REA Garissa today.


But PBT should be in the range of 2.5 to 3.1...Take the best case scenario of 3.1 due to reduced provisioning


Predictions don't come more accurate than this. Hongera!


This dude is Mr. Reddy Kilowatt himself. He is an insider


@Kaunganadodo,Applause Applause he is truly an insider.On behalf of obiero,pesanane,vvs,angelicaann and ericson,welcome to wazua.Applause Applause dont disappear coz we value your input.
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