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Why can't we just move the river!!
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,695
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This is so funny yet very profound, it deserves its own thread.
In Western countries they have left leaning and right leaning political ideologies. In Kenya there are those on the move the building side and those on the move the river side. The law is what we decide it is vs there is a law that we should abide by.
On one end of this political divide is Ferdinand Waititu and on the other is Miguna Miguna. We all lie somewhere in between those extremes.
I found it funny because of how Waititu said it but this is no laughing matter. For the longest time the ruling ideology in Kenya has been the move the river ideology.
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To who's land? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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murchr wrote:To who's land? When @masukuma & Man Waititu are reasoning at same level, then things are crazy!!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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leo niko speechless Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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alma1 wrote:leo niko speechless Kwani ulikutana na yule beauty queen ulirequestiwa utuletee tumuone?
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Angelica _ann wrote:murchr wrote:To who's land? When @masukuma & Man Waititu are reasoning at same level, then things are crazy!!!! 
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So, the bugger has a petrol station that stands on public land in Nairobi. If i were Sonko, i would send SANY and his relatives there without thinking twice!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Waititu is right from an engineering point of view but wrong from a legal perspective. He is right that a river can be tamed or moved a few meters away or canalized so that development and nature can coexist. This has been done in many countries where the rivers, lakes, and even oceans have been tamed. The only problem is that our laws do not allow that and land allocations and developments on riparian land are illegal.
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hardwood wrote:Waititu is right from an engineering point of view but wrong from a legal perspective. He is right that a river can be tamed or moved a few meters away or canalized so that development and nature can coexist. This has been done in many countries where the rivers, lakes, and even oceans have been tamed. The only problem is that our laws do not allow that and land allocations and developments on riparian land are illegal. He's wrong even from engineering point of view. To start with, which incident did he have in mind? Ukay or the other mall? B4 suggesting a river be moved, an engineer will do detailed investigations for the specific case to confirm a) if there land available, b) social and environmental impacts c) cost etc etc. When did wai23 do his research? By the way I didn't support him, I feel vindicated. #kafakafogo#
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,695
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If you want to understand where impunity and total disregard for the law started watch this video: Start from 22:08 and listen to the accounts of Shikuku, Githunguri and Nyachae as they describe what they obviously believe to be positive attributes of Kenyatta. The fact that he was decisive and generous. Extrapolate that attitude towards laws for 40 years and you can clearly see how true this statement is: "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,979
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hardwood wrote:Waititu is right from an engineering point of view but wrong from a legal perspective. He is right that a river can be tamed or moved a few meters away or canalized so that development and nature can coexist. This has been done in many countries where the rivers, lakes, and even oceans have been tamed. The only problem is that our laws do not allow that and land allocations and developments on riparian land are illegal. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 921
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 921
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hardwood wrote:Waititu is right from an engineering point of view but wrong from a legal perspective. He is right that a river can be tamed or moved a few meters away or canalized so that development and nature can coexist. This has been done in many countries where the rivers, lakes, and even oceans have been tamed. The only problem is that our laws do not allow that and land allocations and developments on riparian land are illegal. A good engineer would advise you to leave the river where it is. Any other engineer will tell you to move the river. What he certainly does not know or won't tell, is that, engineering knows not what to do when mother nature decides to revisit it's course; Here is an example from America, with all it's resources and best engineering brains and practices;
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According to Waititû the buildings which have been built in ripalian land are not supposed to be demolished but rather the owner should move the river to somewhere else.
Now, when the demolisions begin for the houses build on grabbed public land, his reasoning will be that instead of demolishing the buildings the public land shall be moved a little...
We actually have leaders who are geniuses.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Sonko now tells Waititu to keep off Nairobi county matters. That he doesn't even know what riparian land is.
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When clueless voters elect a moron. Voting should be a privilege to only genuine taxpayers work to prosper
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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Tokyo wrote:When clueless voters elect a moron.
Voting should be a privilege to only genuine taxpayers which tax? import, income, fuel based, VAT, corporate, I think we should only allow the corporations who pay taxes to vote.
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