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Centum Full Year results 2017/2018
Ericsson
#21 Posted : Thursday, August 23, 2018 3:12:44 PM
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Sidian bank half year loss widens from sh.175mn in 2017 to 187mn in 2018.

Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Angelica _ann
#22 Posted : Thursday, August 23, 2018 3:33:42 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
Sidian bank half year loss widens from sh.175mn in 2017 to 187mn in 2018.



This bank died long time ago, i wonder why Centum dipped their fingers here. Sad Sad Sad
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
Ericsson
#23 Posted : Monday, August 27, 2018 2:00:14 AM
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Nabo capital six months results swing from profit of sh.11.348mn in 2017 to loss of 12.447mn in 2018
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
VituVingiSana
#24 Posted : Thursday, August 30, 2018 10:20:30 PM
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Hmmm, Centum needs to write-down its investment in Sidian and sell shares in it to a "cash-rich" SACCO.
https://www.businessdail...36716-dxlumx/index.html
The rate cap did a number on many banks including Sidian. Poor luck in timing.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#25 Posted : Thursday, August 30, 2018 11:05:06 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Hmmm, Centum needs to write-down its investment in Sidian and sell shares in it to a "cash-rich" SACCO.
https://www.businessdail...36716-dxlumx/index.html
The rate cap did a number on many banks including Sidian. Poor luck in timing.

KBRR may not solve this equation for smaller banks especially since the top is determined. 4% margin is narrow

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
Ericsson
#26 Posted : Thursday, August 30, 2018 11:17:02 PM
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obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Hmmm, Centum needs to write-down its investment in Sidian and sell shares in it to a "cash-rich" SACCO.
https://www.businessdail...36716-dxlumx/index.html
The rate cap did a number on many banks including Sidian. Poor luck in timing.

KBRR may not solve this equation for smaller banks especially since the top is determined. 4% margin is narrow


vvs being shafted again after ARM ghaiii
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
VituVingiSana
#27 Posted : Friday, August 31, 2018 6:03:34 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Hmmm, Centum needs to write-down its investment in Sidian and sell shares in it to a "cash-rich" SACCO.
https://www.businessdail...36716-dxlumx/index.html
The rate cap did a number on many banks including Sidian. Poor luck in timing.

KBRR may not solve this equation for smaller banks especially since the top is determined. 4% margin is narrow


vvs being shafted again after ARM ghaiii

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Kelele ya chura

Warren Buffett: “There’s so much corporate financial reporting where people don’t mention their mistakes that I think it’s a good idea to remind the shareholders that we do make them.”

Charlie Munger: “I don’t revisit mistakes to bewail them. I revisit them for their learning purposes.”
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
xxxxx
#28 Posted : Friday, August 31, 2018 6:58:57 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Hmmm, Centum needs to write-down its investment in Sidian and sell shares in it to a "cash-rich" SACCO.
https://www.businessdail...36716-dxlumx/index.html
The rate cap did a number on many banks including Sidian. Poor luck in timing.

KBRR may not solve this equation for smaller banks especially since the top is determined. 4% margin is narrow


vvs being shafted again after ARM ghaiii

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Kelele ya chura

Warren Buffett: “There’s so much corporate financial reporting where people don’t mention their mistakes that I think it’s a good idea to remind the shareholders that we do make them.”

Charlie Munger: “I don’t revisit mistakes to bewail them. I revisit them for their learning purposes.”



I think I'll stay away from debt ladden companies... more so these that have sophisticated debt.
sparkly
#29 Posted : Friday, August 31, 2018 7:11:21 AM
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xxxxx wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Hmmm, Centum needs to write-down its investment in Sidian and sell shares in it to a "cash-rich" SACCO.
https://www.businessdail...36716-dxlumx/index.html
The rate cap did a number on many banks including Sidian. Poor luck in timing.

KBRR may not solve this equation for smaller banks especially since the top is determined. 4% margin is narrow


vvs being shafted again after ARM ghaiii

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Kelele ya chura

Warren Buffett: “There’s so much corporate financial reporting where people don’t mention their mistakes that I think it’s a good idea to remind the shareholders that we do make them.”

Charlie Munger: “I don’t revisit mistakes to bewail them. I revisit them for their learning purposes.”



I think I'll stay away from debt ladden companies... more so these that have sophisticated debt.


What will you do with ARM?
Life is short. Live passionately.
Ericsson
#30 Posted : Friday, August 31, 2018 8:20:10 AM
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xxxxx wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Hmmm, Centum needs to write-down its investment in Sidian and sell shares in it to a "cash-rich" SACCO.
https://www.businessdail...36716-dxlumx/index.html
The rate cap did a number on many banks including Sidian. Poor luck in timing.

KBRR may not solve this equation for smaller banks especially since the top is determined. 4% margin is narrow


vvs being shafted again after ARM ghaiii

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Kelele ya chura

Warren Buffett: “There’s so much corporate financial reporting where people don’t mention their mistakes that I think it’s a good idea to remind the shareholders that we do make them.”

Charlie Munger: “I don’t revisit mistakes to bewail them. I revisit them for their learning purposes.”



I think I'll stay away from debt ladden companies... more so these that have sophisticated debt.

Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Ericsson
#31 Posted : Friday, August 31, 2018 8:21:48 AM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
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xxxxx wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Hmmm, Centum needs to write-down its investment in Sidian and sell shares in it to a "cash-rich" SACCO.
https://www.businessdail...36716-dxlumx/index.html
The rate cap did a number on many banks including Sidian. Poor luck in timing.

KBRR may not solve this equation for smaller banks especially since the top is determined. 4% margin is narrow


vvs being shafted again after ARM ghaiii

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Kelele ya chura

Warren Buffett: “There’s so much corporate financial reporting where people don’t mention their mistakes that I think it’s a good idea to remind the shareholders that we do make them.”

Charlie Munger: “I don’t revisit mistakes to bewail them. I revisit them for their learning purposes.”



I think I'll stay away from debt ladden companies... more so these that have sophisticated debt.

Warren Buffet lesson 1
Stay away from companies heavy in debt and with poor cashflow
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
maka
#32 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2018 7:58:34 AM
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https://www.businessdail...7500-fduew3z/index.html
Centum-owned renewable energy company Akiira Geothermal’s (AGL) quest for steam power generation suffered a temporary blow after the two wells it sunk in Naivasha at a cost of about Sh1.2 billion failed to meet production capacity.

Centum director of developments, David Njoroge, on Wednesday said Akiira plans to resume exploratory drilling near the geothermal-rich Olkaria from December as it seeks to develop its 70-megawatt project in Naivasha.
possunt quia posse videntur
Horton
#33 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2018 10:15:29 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Hmmm, Centum needs to write-down its investment in Sidian and sell shares in it to a "cash-rich" SACCO.
https://www.businessdail...36716-dxlumx/index.html
The rate cap did a number on many banks including Sidian. Poor luck in timing.

KBRR may not solve this equation for smaller banks especially since the top is determined. 4% margin is narrow


vvs being shafted again after ARM ghaiii

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Kelele ya chura

Warren Buffett: “There’s so much corporate financial reporting where people don’t mention their mistakes that I think it’s a good idea to remind the shareholders that we do make them.”

Charlie Munger: “I don’t revisit mistakes to bewail them. I revisit them for their learning purposes.”


Ur here too VVS?
Ericsson
#34 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2018 10:20:42 AM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,639
Location: NAIROBI
Horton wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Hmmm, Centum needs to write-down its investment in Sidian and sell shares in it to a "cash-rich" SACCO.
https://www.businessdail...36716-dxlumx/index.html
The rate cap did a number on many banks including Sidian. Poor luck in timing.

KBRR may not solve this equation for smaller banks especially since the top is determined. 4% margin is narrow


vvs being shafted again after ARM ghaiii

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Kelele ya chura

Warren Buffett: “There’s so much corporate financial reporting where people don’t mention their mistakes that I think it’s a good idea to remind the shareholders that we do make them.”

Charlie Munger: “I don’t revisit mistakes to bewail them. I revisit them for their learning purposes.”


Ur here too VVS?


Of course yes how does he miss
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Angelica _ann
#35 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2018 10:56:31 AM
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Joined: 12/7/2012
Posts: 11,901
Ericsson wrote:
Horton wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Hmmm, Centum needs to write-down its investment in Sidian and sell shares in it to a "cash-rich" SACCO.
https://www.businessdail...36716-dxlumx/index.html
The rate cap did a number on many banks including Sidian. Poor luck in timing.

KBRR may not solve this equation for smaller banks especially since the top is determined. 4% margin is narrow


vvs being shafted again after ARM ghaiii

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Kelele ya chura

Warren Buffett: “There’s so much corporate financial reporting where people don’t mention their mistakes that I think it’s a good idea to remind the shareholders that we do make them.”

Charlie Munger: “I don’t revisit mistakes to bewail them. I revisit them for their learning purposes.”


Ur here too VVS?


Of course yes how does he miss


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Good I left when they started that coal plant manenos. Personally I felt they were getting into a business line they didn't have the skills to effectively manage.

But the gains in Vipingo land will offset some of these current losses.
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
Ericsson
#36 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2018 11:47:16 AM
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Posts: 10,639
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Horton wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Hmmm, Centum needs to write-down its investment in Sidian and sell shares in it to a "cash-rich" SACCO.
https://www.businessdail...36716-dxlumx/index.html
The rate cap did a number on many banks including Sidian. Poor luck in timing.

KBRR may not solve this equation for smaller banks especially since the top is determined. 4% margin is narrow


vvs being shafted again after ARM ghaiii

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Kelele ya chura

Warren Buffett: “There’s so much corporate financial reporting where people don’t mention their mistakes that I think it’s a good idea to remind the shareholders that we do make them.”

Charlie Munger: “I don’t revisit mistakes to bewail them. I revisit them for their learning purposes.”


Ur here too VVS?


Of course yes how does he miss


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Good I left when they started that coal plant manenos. Personally I felt they were getting into a business line they didn't have the skills to effectively manage.

But the gains in Vipingo land will offset some of these current losses.


In the annual report just released they said gains in revaluations of land has reduced/slowed down,so offsetting the losses won't be easy.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
muandiwambeu
#37 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2018 12:05:19 PM
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Joined: 8/28/2015
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Hmmm, Centum needs to write-down its investment in Sidian and sell shares in it to a "cash-rich" SACCO.
https://www.businessdail...36716-dxlumx/index.html
The rate cap did a number on many banks including Sidian. Poor luck in timing.

KBRR may not solve this equation for smaller banks especially since the top is determined. 4% margin is narrow


vvs being shafted again after ARM ghaiii

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Kelele ya chura

Warren Buffett: “There’s so much corporate financial reporting where people don’t mention their mistakes that I think it’s a good idea to remind the shareholders that we do make them.”

Charlie Munger: “I don’t revisit mistakes to bewail them. I revisit them for their learning purposes.”

I call them beacons or borderline. If a stock kicks me hard, even if I have to let go at a loss, I keep a few for the memories. I know how easily human mind forgets and thus u need a buzzer all the tym. Point in case, hfc rights at 24/=. This made me keep a mile away from kplc at 19/=•, kq at 14/ (had already bailed out so I am still taking notes from those who are trying to understand what hit them)actually I kicked off every tiny one bit I had to avoid the ensuing circus.
Buzzzzer🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
Horton
#38 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2018 4:28:23 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Horton wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Hmmm, Centum needs to write-down its investment in Sidian and sell shares in it to a "cash-rich" SACCO.
https://www.businessdail...36716-dxlumx/index.html
The rate cap did a number on many banks including Sidian. Poor luck in timing.

KBRR may not solve this equation for smaller banks especially since the top is determined. 4% margin is narrow


vvs being shafted again after ARM ghaiii

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Kelele ya chura

Warren Buffett: “There’s so much corporate financial reporting where people don’t mention their mistakes that I think it’s a good idea to remind the shareholders that we do make them.”

Charlie Munger: “I don’t revisit mistakes to bewail them. I revisit them for their learning purposes.”


Ur here too VVS?


Of course yes how does he miss



Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Good I left when they started that coal plant manenos. Personally I felt they were getting into a business line they didn't have the skills to effectively manage.

But the gains in Vipingo land will offset some of these current losses.


Yeah I left this thing too

But 28.50 does look pretty tempting. Perhaps I wait for it to slide further as I look for cash 😁
muandiwambeu
#39 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2018 10:59:52 AM
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Horton wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Horton wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Hmmm, Centum needs to write-down its investment in Sidian and sell shares in it to a "cash-rich" SACCO.
https://www.businessdail...36716-dxlumx/index.html
The rate cap did a number on many banks including Sidian. Poor luck in timing.

KBRR may not solve this equation for smaller banks especially since the top is determined. 4% margin is narrow


vvs being shafted again after ARM ghaiii

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Kelele ya chura

Warren Buffett: “There’s so much corporate financial reporting where people don’t mention their mistakes that I think it’s a good idea to remind the shareholders that we do make them.”

Charlie Munger: “I don’t revisit mistakes to bewail them. I revisit them for their learning purposes.”


Ur here too VVS?


Of course yes how does he miss



Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Good I left when they started that coal plant manenos. Personally I felt they were getting into a business line they didn't have the skills to effectively manage.

But the gains in Vipingo land will offset some of these current losses.


Yeah I left this thing too

But 28.50 does look pretty tempting. Perhaps I wait for it to slide further as I look for cash 😁

If you had wondered if ARM is at the right place, most probably, a hard reality has sunk in already to know, yes it is and you may have gotten your self into a mess. Read through this thread and you will glean some nuggets of gold from it if u have a messy memory. Just to get u started I jumpstart you here below- hii mental P.E iliendelea hivi
1. Fatcat behaviour very ominous in this cartoon.
2. Virtue growth
3. Catchy headlines, we are going far east and we will be back with the saviour.
4. Bedmaking is ripe, close to lopsided deals.
5. Historical value plus real growth is wanting.
6. There is always revelations after big game changing pronouncements that leaves a nasty taste in everyone's mouth.
How we aimed at 80/= the toweres time will tell, I do not have anchor tenancy, rivers in threes-my bed mates took my blankets and left me with mashuka in winter, we will be smoking money out of coal in lamu(but I do not have the capacity-GE comes in to eat at my table. who is this, deal broker hungry for a commission?).
Adjust your landing gear/ lane coarse, a 999 situation here. That is called drama AKA building stamina.Laughing out loudly
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
VituVingiSana
#40 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2018 6:59:34 PM
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Long post coming up. The ADHD folks should skip this.
If you are going to use the comments below then don't cut and paste a portion but provide the entire post to give context. This was posted on 10th September 2018. smile smile smile
I hold Centum as a Tier 2 investment but if I had the cash I would load up at sub-30 given what info is available. If the information changes i.e. scams, economy goes down the crapper, etc then I will bail out even at a loss. I learnt my lesson in KQ.
Losses will happen. Not all investments make money. Warren Buffett - who is a genius - got burnt on IBM, Tesco, GenRe, Dexter, etc.
Centum has a few investments that might not make for a decent ROI including Sidian Bank, Akira, Amu, etc.
It has also has some investments that are cash cows (today) e.g. Coca-Cola.
Some will take longer to mature given today's environment including Pearl Marina and Vipingo.

Overall, Centum has a good portfolio of assets and should do well if managed conservatively. Centum should not take on debt unless it is for a potential 5-bagger without huge downside risk.

One has to watch, observe and read the environment. The current political and economic environment is awful but those who can survive it might come out stronger.

Investing in Kenyan firms is not for the faint-hearted. Sometimes, it is tempting to sell off everything and buy T-Bonds!

@Horton - Yes, I hold Centum and no regrets except not buying them cheaper but I don't know how to time markets. I don't "trade" so it makes little difference to me in the long-term. I am a Warren Buffett fan and as long as one follows his principles, one does OK.

He advised one should limit their investments so I reduced my universe of investments to a maximum of 12 with max 5 core (70-80% of the value) investments.

All my core investments have paid a dividend since 2015, have (IMHO) good management (which I monitor as best as I can) and decent fundamentals (NAV, PER, ROE, etc). I try to attend all the meetings, read various reports from brokers, use their products, etc.

Then I have Tier 2 investments which may grow into "Core" but my exposure to each is limited to 5% of the portfolio. Centum, Equity, TPSEA.

Tier 3 including ARM which is less than 1%. I can easily NPL these off.

I am not as concerned with price unless I want to enter/ buy or exit/sell as much as ROI.
Dividends don't matter as much either but the ROI does i.e. the sustainable PAT and Net Assets should be growing. The PAT growth need not be linear either. As WB says: A 15% zigzagging growth is better than a linear 12% growth.

Management (or the trust in Management) is very important which is why I avoid most of the firms on the NSE e.g. Kurwitu, KPLC, NBK, etc. No GoK firms except for KenRe which gave me some heartburn recently.

Debt can be problematic if not used well and I avoid overly indebted firms e.g. HAFR. I recently bought heavily indebted ARM given that CDC was going to step in and I expected a Debt to Equity conversion.

Price is important even for well-managed firms so I (sadly) don't have Jubilee, Safcom or BAT. If the prices were to drop for some reason that did not affect their operations, debt levels and they remain well-managed then I would jump in.

Good luck!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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