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Kengen FY 2017
Pesa Nane
#21 Posted : Wednesday, October 18, 2017 8:43:42 PM
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obiero wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Results being announced now, updates...

@pesanane always reliable, though the same was in the newspaper even before your post



Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
VituVingiSana
#22 Posted : Thursday, October 19, 2017 12:58:07 AM
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Glad KenGen made a profit but the major boost (vs last year) seems to be from the savings in interest payments [GoK's loan converted to equity] and interest income from cash collected from the Rights Issue.

The interest paid would have been much higher is not for the Loan to Equity conversion.

Taxation: Tax Credits [while welcome] also mean they will run out i.e. the PAT boost thanks to a much lower 25%) tax rate vs last year accounts for a huge portion of the increase in PAT.

There's a lot of competition (supply) for energy which means KenGen has to be a low-cost supplier.
LTWP is ready to supply KPLC but for KETRACO's delay.
Phase 1 of Amu (coal) could be ready in 5-8 years depending on the politics.

Huge cash-heavy projects on the cards. It is not investable for me at the moment but I will keep a look-out if the corporate governance is good.
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obiero
#23 Posted : Thursday, October 19, 2017 8:35:35 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Glad KenGen made a profit but the major boost (vs last year) seems to be from the savings in interest payments [GoK's loan converted to equity] and interest income from cash collected from the Rights Issue.

The interest paid would have been much higher is not for the Loan to Equity conversion.

Taxation: Tax Credits [while welcome] also mean they will run out i.e. the PAT boost thanks to a much lower 25%) tax rate vs last year accounts for a huge portion of the increase in PAT.

There's a lot of competition (supply) for energy which means KenGen has to be a low-cost supplier.
LTWP is ready to supply KPLC but for KETRACO's delay.
Phase 1 of Amu (coal) could be ready in 5-8 years depending on the politics.

Huge cash-heavy projects on the cards. It is not investable for me at the moment but I will keep a look-out if the corporate governance is good.

The corporate governance is opaque.. Even the insiders don't know much about what's happening in KEGN

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Ericsson
#24 Posted : Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:01:13 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Glad KenGen made a profit but the major boost (vs last year) seems to be from the savings in interest payments [GoK's loan converted to equity] and interest income from cash collected from the Rights Issue.

The interest paid would have been much higher is not for the Loan to Equity conversion.

Taxation: Tax Credits [while welcome] also mean they will run out i.e. the PAT boost thanks to a much lower 25%) tax rate vs last year accounts for a huge portion of the increase in PAT.

There's a lot of competition (supply) for energy which means KenGen has to be a low-cost supplier.
LTWP is ready to supply KPLC but for KETRACO's delay.
Phase 1 of Amu (coal) could be ready in 5-8 years depending on the politics.

Huge cash-heavy projects on the cards. It is not investable for me at the moment but I will keep a look-out if the corporate governance is good.


Interview of the acting MD & CEO with Aly Khan Satchu
https://youtu.be/mY_Rf1Vcmug
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sparkly
#25 Posted : Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:18:08 PM
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Kengen is now a institutional share. The second year in a row dividend drought Will flush out the Wanjikus hanging around after rights issue.
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Ericsson
#26 Posted : Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:54:35 PM
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KENGEN TO LAUNCH $300MN LOAN WITH WORLD BANK BANKING

Kenya's largest power producer Kenya Electricity Generating Company (KENGEN)
is looking to raise $300mn in the loan market,which the world bank is providing
a $180mn guarantee for.
The state-owned company has sent out a request for proposal to international banks for financing,according to a banker close to the deal.
The funds will be used to restructure a portion of KENGEN's existing loans,according to a spokesperson from the World Bank.
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Ebenyo
#27 Posted : Thursday, October 19, 2017 5:32:00 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Wondergirl wrote:
Wondergirl wrote:
Ebenyo #304 Posted : Wednesday, August 30, 2017 2:32:45 PM
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Wondergirl wrote:
@Sparkly,
Is it too late to border this bus?
I have some idle cash after disposing off one of my counters.Sad Pray



Full year results are due on october.Indications are the results will be nice and that dividend will be declared.You can jump in now and take advantage of the rally after results.





1.Cut down on expenses2.Save a portion of the income 3.Invest heavily

Sad Sad Sad Sad I feel like disposing them shares today, even if its at a loss...


You arethe kind of people that make the stock market profitable. Haya uuza.


Kengen were enticing shareholders with dividend when they wanted the rights cash,now they don't care ,nothing to chew for two years running


they actually lied to shareholders during rights issue that they will pay dividend.And then they massaged the results during that time.
Towards the goal of financial freedom
Ericsson
#28 Posted : Wednesday, November 01, 2017 12:54:15 PM
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Rebecca Miano confirmed as MD& CEO
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kawi254
#29 Posted : Wednesday, November 01, 2017 1:54:56 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
Rebecca Miano confirmed as MD& CEO


same script all the time. Advertise Internationally on The Economist and still end up confirming acting CEO as CEO.
Ericsson
#30 Posted : Wednesday, November 01, 2017 11:48:47 PM
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http://www.businessdaily...5526-qjsxfbz/index.html

Electricity producer Kenya Electricity Generating Company (KenGen) is optimistic of a reprieve from the taxman who is demanding Sh2.43 billion tax as well as penalties and interest.
The Nairobi Securities Exchange-listed firm attracted the compensation tax after paying dividend arrears to the Treasury last year.
KenGen paid dividend of Sh6.164 billion, according to an audit report by the Auditor General on the company for the year ended June 2017. It has been negotiating for a waiver of penalty and interest by the Kenya Revenue Authority in talks that started a year ago.
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VituVingiSana
#31 Posted : Thursday, November 02, 2017 12:31:34 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/markets/news/KenGen-seeks-reprieve-as-taxman-demands-billions/3815534-4165526-qjsxfbz/index.html

Electricity producer Kenya Electricity Generating Company (KenGen) is optimistic of a reprieve from the taxman who is demanding Sh2.43 billion tax as well as penalties and interest.
The Nairobi Securities Exchange-listed firm attracted the compensation tax after paying dividend arrears to the Treasury last year.
KenGen paid dividend of Sh6.164 billion, according to an audit report by the Auditor General on the company for the year ended June 2017. It has been negotiating for a waiver of penalty and interest by the Kenya Revenue Authority in talks that started a year ago.

KenGen should not have announced or paid a dividend (from untaxed profits) or asked Treasury for guidance/intervention before doing so. Or if the tax has to be paid then pay it as much as it hurts.

I have a vague idea about compensating tax in Kenya but can someone explain it in KenGen's context.

Why did KenGen declare/pay a dividend from UNTAXED profits if it knew the huge compensating tax would hit them?

In this scenario, what are untaxed profits?
Aren't Capital Allowance (against taxable profits) allowed?
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Muthawamunene
#32 Posted : Thursday, November 02, 2017 8:21:45 AM
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mamilli
#33 Posted : Thursday, November 02, 2017 10:27:57 AM
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Muthawamunene wrote:


@Muthawamunene,you must be a lecturer somewheresmile your referencing is on another level.
Never lose your position in a bull market,BTFD.
wukan
#34 Posted : Thursday, November 02, 2017 11:17:32 AM
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Muthawamunene wrote:


In summary Kengen should not distribute the tax incentives it receives. Expect a dividends drought every time they do a new power plant...as they say on nairobi streets wacha niende hivi nacome
Muthawamunene
#35 Posted : Thursday, November 02, 2017 11:20:39 AM
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mamilli wrote:
Muthawamunene wrote:


@Muthawamunene,you must be a lecturer somewheresmile your referencing is on another level.



He he. Maybe in another life, I am pretty good with search engines.
Ericsson
#36 Posted : Thursday, November 02, 2017 12:22:42 PM
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wukan wrote:
Muthawamunene wrote:


In summary Kengen should not distribute the tax incentives it receives. Expect a dividends drought every time they do a new power plant...as they say on nairobi streets wacha niende hivi nacome


Not necessarily when hydrology is good they may dish out some dividends.
For the past two financial years geothermal has been their saviour
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Ericsson
#37 Posted : Thursday, November 02, 2017 12:30:10 PM
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wukan wrote:
Muthawamunene wrote:


In summary Kengen should not distribute the tax incentives it receives. Expect a dividends drought every time they do a new power plant...as they say on nairobi streets wacha niende hivi nacome


Capital gains bado iko which is also okay
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kawi254
#38 Posted : Thursday, November 02, 2017 3:55:19 PM
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Compensation tax of Ksh 2.431 was paid in 2016 and not in 2017. Business daily has it twisted

Below Excerpt from 2016 Financia results:

"Compensating tax of Kshs.2,431 million is a provision that arose from payment of dividends of Kshs.5,735 million
paid to the government during the year
in
accordance with section 7A(5) of the Income Tax Act Cap 470"

http://www.businessdaily...5526-qjsxfbz/index.html

"KenGen paid dividend of Sh6.164 billion, according to an audit report by the Auditor General on the company for the year ended June 2017. It has been negotiating for a waiver of penalty and interest by the Kenya Revenue Authority in talks that started a year ago."


Point to Ponder: if KRA forgives KenGen's tax will it also forgive Nakumatt?
Ericsson
#39 Posted : Tuesday, November 07, 2017 8:09:02 AM
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With the current heavy rains in the country hydro power production will be good in the second half
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wukan
#40 Posted : Tuesday, November 07, 2017 11:35:57 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
With the current heavy rains in the country hydro power production will be good in the second half


The Kenya power annual report has interesting stats on the regional maximum power demand Nairobi dropped from 842Mw to 831Mw demand is increasing in Coast and western

Overall power demand increase has dropped from a high 9.5% in 2012/2013 to 4.4%
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