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Why NASA demands to IEBC are Absurd
limanika
#1 Posted : Saturday, September 16, 2017 8:40:17 AM
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Last time I checked, SC directed IEBC to conduct fresh elections within the law, in 60 days. That means SC has confidence that IEBC, as currently constituted, can conduct elections within the law. I don’t expect SC, in their detailed ruling to purport to propose structural changes at IEBC since this will be interfering with an independent body.

That brings me to second point. NASA demands are absurd. To sample just a few:-

1. Media should be given access to all polling stations and tallying centers and directly announce the results – I thought media is free to access any of these? But if we legislate that they must be present in all polling stations, where will they get personnel? Who will pay the media? But more fundamentally, how can media announce results yet this is IEBC’s mandate?
2. Another printer other than Al Ghurair to be appointed- I thought the court already gave no objection for Al ghurair to print election materials for the last polls and this hasn’t been contested?
3. New returning officers to be appointed for all 291 constituences – How about existing ones? Terminate their contracts on what grounds? And how long does it take to recruit and train new officers through probation and to gain competence
4. Political parties to monitor IT infrastructure – why is IT at national center still an issue yet results at the constituency are final?
5. International experts to take charge of IT infrastructure – 50 yrs + after independence we cant trust our own? And are we Kenyans and IEBC still independent?
6. IEBC to disclose server fire wall configuration to NASA. Why? So they can hack if they want?
7. And so on.
So you can see all the NASA demands are absurd, outrageous and don't make sense. Finally, to add insult to injury, NASA are telling us there will be no elections, but not telling us what happens next. In fact this amounts to contempt of court which has mandated IEBC, as currently constituted to conduct fresh polls within the law in 60 days. We can only conclude they are rooting for constitutional crisis.

Tokyo
#2 Posted : Saturday, September 16, 2017 8:54:19 AM
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Baba knows too well in a free and fair election, it will be impossible for him to win while he plans to retain his influence and legitimacy. Kwa debe haendi.
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2012
#3 Posted : Saturday, September 16, 2017 9:08:00 AM
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IEBC is an independent body. NASA doesn't have to be in the election, Jubilee can face 3rd Way Alliance. NASA thought Ekuru enjoining them was a good thing? It's their biggest thorn right now.

BBI will solve it
:)
Gathige
#4 Posted : Saturday, September 16, 2017 9:52:49 AM
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Baba and his team as currently constituted cannot win an election based on numbers. That is why even in their petition, they did not go the way of numbers put the process. This is the tragedy of our democracy where numbers seems to reside in some regions which are out of Baba's realm.

Creating a post of Prime Minister without any Portfolio and reporting to nobody should be the best for now. Otherwise in the current set up, even if we carried elections ten times, the results would be the same, and expecting a different outcome would be disastrous.
"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
mpobiz
#5 Posted : Saturday, September 16, 2017 10:12:37 AM
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Gathige wrote:
Baba and his team as currently constituted cannot win an election based on numbers. That is why even in their petition, they did not go the way of numbers put the process. This is the tragedy of our democracy where numbers seems to reside in some regions which are out of Baba's realm.

Creating a post of Prime Minister without any Portfolio and reporting to nobody should be the best for now. Otherwise in the current set up, even if we carried elections ten times, the results would be the same, and expecting a different outcome would be disastrous.

We are forgeting that nusu mkate was shared among the 47counties. Babu can just go cry in the toilet because on 17th ellectins will be held and a president will be announced
Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
Gathige
#6 Posted : Saturday, September 16, 2017 10:38:04 AM
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mpobiz wrote:
Gathige wrote:
Baba and his team as currently constituted cannot win an election based on numbers. That is why even in their petition, they did not go the way of numbers put the process. This is the tragedy of our democracy where numbers seems to reside in some regions which are out of Baba's realm.

Creating a post of Prime Minister without any Portfolio and reporting to nobody should be the best for now. Otherwise in the current set up, even if we carried elections ten times, the results would be the same, and expecting a different outcome would be disastrous.

We are forgeting that nusu mkate was shared among the 47counties. Babu can just go cry in the toilet because on 17th ellectins will be held and a president will be announced


How then do we handle Baba for the next 10 or so years? This issues of perpetual politicking by Baba is hurting the economy, now extending to education etc.
"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
limanika
#7 Posted : Saturday, September 16, 2017 11:46:14 AM
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2012 wrote:
IEBC is an independent body. NASA doesn't have to be in the election, Jubilee can face 3rd Way Alliance. NASA thought Ekuru enjoining them was a good thing? It's their biggest thorn right now.

For NASA to boycott, they would have to write formally to iebc and say they now don't wish to participate. Iebc will then seek direction of the SC who had ordered the election. SC will call the parties for hearing, and arbitrate btwn the parties, but ensure either way there's an election, coz if there isn't, the SC would have played a role in plunging the country into constitutional crisis, nobody at SC would like to go down in history that route. But If naswa doesnt write formally to Iebc pulling out of the race, then the threats will just be treated as media reports. The earlier they write the better for them
Amores
#8 Posted : Saturday, September 16, 2017 12:14:02 PM
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This is worrying
I am happy
limanika
#9 Posted : Saturday, September 16, 2017 12:30:13 PM
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Amores wrote:
This is worrying

That's why I said parliament should by now have drafted watertight legislation around management of presidential election results, to address the loopholes. But now, were at the mercy of SC, yet SC doesn't make laws
Shak
#10 Posted : Saturday, September 16, 2017 6:12:02 PM
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My one question is: Will I be stoned or beaten when I wake up to vote on the 17th?
kaka2za
#11 Posted : Saturday, September 16, 2017 6:55:10 PM
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Shak wrote:
My one question is: Will I be stoned or beaten when I wake up to vote on the 17th?


That depends on where you live and where you will cast your vote.But 17th Oct is so far...it might never come
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
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Lolest!
#12 Posted : Saturday, September 16, 2017 7:10:05 PM
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2012 wrote:
IEBC is an independent body. NASA doesn't have to be in the election, Jubilee can face 3rd Way Alliance. NASA thought Ekuru enjoining them was a good thing? It's their biggest thorn right now.

Did the courts rule in Ekuru's favour?
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
2012
#13 Posted : Saturday, September 16, 2017 7:17:38 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
2012 wrote:
IEBC is an independent body. NASA doesn't have to be in the election, Jubilee can face 3rd Way Alliance. NASA thought Ekuru enjoining them was a good thing? It's their biggest thorn right now.

Did the courts rule in Ekuru's favour?


I think IEBC wisened-up, they saw there was no way to win the case against Ekuru. The jama will be on the ballot.

BBI will solve it
:)
kimanimsc
#14 Posted : Saturday, September 16, 2017 7:31:15 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
2012 wrote:
IEBC is an independent body. NASA doesn't have to be in the election, Jubilee can face 3rd Way Alliance. NASA thought Ekuru enjoining them was a good thing? It's their biggest thorn right now.

Did the courts rule in Ekuru's favour?

Amores
#15 Posted : Saturday, September 16, 2017 9:14:48 PM
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NASA is ridiculous. So now they are fighting locally and internationally.
I am happy
kaka2za
#16 Posted : Saturday, September 16, 2017 10:27:15 PM
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Amores wrote:
NASA is ridiculous. So now they are fighting locally and internationally.


All companies in the world are against NASA!
Ballot papers should be printed in Mars and IT equipment sourced from Venus.
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Wrong forever on the throne
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harrydre
#17 Posted : Saturday, September 16, 2017 10:28:47 PM
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Amores wrote:
NASA is ridiculous. So now they are fighting locally and internationally.



Via Gordon Opiyo

The French Firm running the IEBC Server is moving to Court in Paris, Washington and London to file Libel, Defamation and Slander Charges against Raila and NASA Principals. They want them to prove that the server was hacked and results changed.
This is when you realise that making claims in Kibera in front of ignorant followers is very different from dealing with global firms that have reputation to protect.
Things are getting thick for the Liars and Hatemongers.

More fundraising on the way...
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murchr
#18 Posted : Sunday, September 17, 2017 1:36:27 AM
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harrydre wrote:
Amores wrote:
NASA is ridiculous. So now they are fighting locally and internationally.



Via Gordon Opiyo

The French Firm running the IEBC Server is moving to Court in Paris, Washington and London to file Libel, Defamation and Slander Charges against Raila and NASA Principals. They want them to prove that the server was hacked and results changed.
This is when you realise that making claims in Kibera in front of ignorant followers is very different from dealing with global firms that have reputation to protect.
Things are getting thick for the Liars and Hatemongers.

More fundraising on the way...
Vinduvichenjanga
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Quote:
A French digital-security company whose equipment was used in Kenya’s presidential election reiterated that its systems weren’t tampered with to rig the outcome, calling the accusations an attempt to shift blame for a vote the nation’s Supreme Court nullified.

OT-Morpho said an internal audit of its equipment conducted after the Supreme Court annulled the Aug. 8 presidential election found no foul play. The company provided two electronic systems that identified Kenyan voters and transmitted election results from almost 41,000 polling stations to a central tallying center.


https://www.bloomberg.co...-it-s-being-scapegoated


Its absurd for Kenyans to think International companies care about who their President is. If anything on the list of customers, they dont even know IEBC kenya in name but as a number. The amount of business IEBC gives them is minute. To answer Orengo who asked why the database was not hosted here, remember in 2013 KenCall hosted the IEBC server and it was later said that they also hosted Jubilees server?

Something is really wrong with this country
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muandiwambeu
#19 Posted : Sunday, September 17, 2017 9:02:47 AM
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Shame on you
2012 wrote:
IEBC is an independent body. NASA doesn't have to be in the election, Jubilee can face 3rd Way Alliance. NASA thought Ekuru enjoining them was a good thing? It's their biggest thorn right now.

Hoping nasarites wont raise enough dough to buy this guy out of the box. We need this election to be held, so that iebc can have a chance to prove their credibility and exonerate the candidates from any blame.
Actually, nasarites are shooting their own legs since by such proclaimations, contributors see no need to donate. Or otherwise, if they pullout, will they refund back kurias five bob cause it will not have been used to meet the cause intended. d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
Njung'e
#20 Posted : Sunday, September 17, 2017 12:14:18 PM
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"We do not intend to become the scapegoat of the political situation in Kenya. We do not accept that the reputation of OT-Morpho and its employees is tainted in any way by these allegations. This has to come to an end.”

OT-Morpho COO Frederic Beylier.


Two or three broke individuals taking up a giant like that?. Knowing the French justice system, those making unsubstantiated claims ought to prepare very well. See how a loose mouth can visit you griefSad
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