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Superprime1
#461 Posted : Tuesday, July 03, 2018 11:56:16 AM
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sparkly wrote:
Mastermind wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
The rally is here with us almost 20% now


levels to look out for if you entered at KES 2.55 are KES 3.4; KES 3.9; KES 4.3; KES 4.7.

I will be happy to exit at 4.7.


The light can at any time go from green to red without passing at yellow.


Now at 3.10


Such a huge demand currently at today's max of 3.35. No sellers. Could it be looking to find a ground higher than 4?
sparkly
#462 Posted : Wednesday, July 04, 2018 4:52:23 PM
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Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
Superprime1 wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Mastermind wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
The rally is here with us almost 20% now


levels to look out for if you entered at KES 2.55 are KES 3.4; KES 3.9; KES 4.3; KES 4.7.

I will be happy to exit at 4.7.


The light can at any time go from green to red without passing at yellow.


Now at 3.10


Such a huge demand currently at today's max of 3.35. No sellers. Could it be looking to find a ground higher than 4?


Closed at 3.60 @fyatu, @***** are happy.
Life is short. Live passionately.
sparkly
#463 Posted : Wednesday, July 04, 2018 4:58:11 PM
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Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
The conversion price for the ARM shares was 40.
And vvs you were a fan of ARM.

Nope, not a fan (for a few years) but I have watched it with interest. I have no ARM shares though I do regret not buying them at 3/- in the late 90s. I have a few (insignificant) Bamburi bought back in the day.


Your chance to buy at 3 bob. Get a loan Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Life is short. Live passionately.
Superprime1
#464 Posted : Wednesday, July 04, 2018 5:51:10 PM
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Joined: 5/2/2018
Posts: 267
sparkly wrote:
Superprime1 wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Mastermind wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
The rally is here with us almost 20% now


levels to look out for if you entered at KES 2.55 are KES 3.4; KES 3.9; KES 4.3; KES 4.7.

I will be happy to exit at 4.7.


The light can at any time go from green to red without passing at yellow.


Now at 3.10


Such a huge demand currently at today's max of 3.35. No sellers. Could it be looking to find a ground higher than 4?


Closed at 3.60 @fyatu, @***** are happy.

There was quite some profit-taking today, perhaps by those who speculated at 3.30 and below. Huge trades.
xxxxx
#465 Posted : Wednesday, July 04, 2018 6:06:59 PM
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Joined: 3/20/2008
Posts: 503
sparkly wrote:
Superprime1 wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Mastermind wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
The rally is here with us almost 20% now


levels to look out for if you entered at KES 2.55 are KES 3.4; KES 3.9; KES 4.3; KES 4.7.

I will be happy to exit at 4.7.


The light can at any time go from green to red without passing at yellow.


Now at 3.10


Such a huge demand currently at today's max of 3.35. No sellers. Could it be looking to find a ground higher than 4?


Closed at 3.60 @fyatu, @***** are happy.


I consider @ARMCEMENT my 'workout' investment. These usually translate into some serious gains (multi baggers). Not yet happy at all...and remember that I went all in
VituVingiSana
#466 Posted : Wednesday, July 04, 2018 7:59:59 PM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,057
Location: Nairobi
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
The conversion price for the ARM shares was 40.
And vvs you were a fan of ARM.

Nope, not a fan (for a few years) but I have watched it with interest. I have no ARM shares though I do regret not buying them at 3/- in the late 90s. I have a few (insignificant) Bamburi bought back in the day.

Your chance to buy at 3 bob. Get a loan Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
So much choice, so little cash!
When do they usually release 1H results?
I remain cautious BUT as @xxxxx said, this could be a multi-bagger if they can get their cashflow problems behind them.

I think @Ericsson said the main lenders are Stanbic and AFC. Any insights on what the two want to do? [Killing off ARM might not be on the agenda but selling off the loss-making TZ biz - like KK did - could provide a lifeline.]
What's CDC's gameplan given it has 40%+ of ARM?
Will PHP be sacked?

I do hope ARM can be turned around since manufacturing is a value-adding industry from adding value to the local/EAC limestone deposits, EAC coal deposits to building in Kenya for Kenyans.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ericsson
#467 Posted : Wednesday, July 04, 2018 8:35:12 PM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,639
Location: NAIROBI
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
The conversion price for the ARM shares was 40.
And vvs you were a fan of ARM.

Nope, not a fan (for a few years) but I have watched it with interest. I have no ARM shares though I do regret not buying them at 3/- in the late 90s. I have a few (insignificant) Bamburi bought back in the day.

Your chance to buy at 3 bob. Get a loan Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
So much choice, so little cash!
When do they usually release 1H results?
I remain cautious BUT as @xxxxx said, this could be a multi-bagger if they can get their cashflow problems behind them.

I think @Ericsson said the main lenders are Stanbic and AFC. Any insights on what the two want to do? [Killing off ARM might not be on the agenda but selling off the loss-making TZ biz - like KK did - could provide a lifeline.]
What's CDC's gameplan given it has 40%+ of ARM?
Will PHP be sacked?

I do hope ARM can be turned around since manufacturing is a value-adding industry from adding value to the local/EAC limestone deposits, EAC coal deposits to building in Kenya for Kenyans.


Road construction meanwhile we leave it to the chinese for the safety of my car and lower maintenance costs
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
xxxxx
#468 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2018 12:15:24 AM
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Joined: 3/20/2008
Posts: 503
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
The conversion price for the ARM shares was 40.
And vvs you were a fan of ARM.

Nope, not a fan (for a few years) but I have watched it with interest. I have no ARM shares though I do regret not buying them at 3/- in the late 90s. I have a few (insignificant) Bamburi bought back in the day.

Your chance to buy at 3 bob. Get a loan Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
So much choice, so little cash!
When do they usually release 1H results?
I remain cautious BUT as @xxxxx said, this could be a multi-bagger if they can get their cashflow problems behind them.

I think @Ericsson said the main lenders are Stanbic and AFC. Any insights on what the two want to do? [Killing off ARM might not be on the agenda but selling off the loss-making TZ biz - like KK did - could provide a lifeline.]
What's CDC's gameplan given it has 40%+ of ARM?
Will PHP be sacked?

I do hope ARM can be turned around since manufacturing is a value-adding industry from adding value to the local/EAC limestone deposits, EAC coal deposits to building in Kenya for Kenyans.



I do not believe PHP will be sacked. In fact, he sounds kind of happy and confident that the tough times are behind us now.

CDC recommended a $50M equity injection, plus a $90M term loan with a 3 year moratorium, plus further working capital lines of around $30M. The proposed tenor for the debt portion of the restructuring was proposed as a maximum of 10 years.

AFC, Stanbic, Aureos and other creditors will be paid off this time Fully using the funding from CDC and their short term debt replaced by CDCs working capital lines as well as part of the term loan facility. So they won't be having a say in the way forward. Recall that the AFC facility was one of the auditors biggest headaches. Its matures fully this year yet at audit time, ARM didn't provide any evidence regarding the source of refinancing to plug its hole.

With regards to the equity injection, finer details haven't yet been confirmed to us so all and sundry can draw their preliminary conclusions between now and when the detailed announcement is made. An additional dilution of $50M to steady the ship is very welcome for me as a current shareholder since it precludes cash calls from me in the very short run. It can do wonders ( Ask the TOTAL guys if in doubt)

Knowing what I know now, I wish I had acquired more of this thing. It's still a strong buy even at current prices if you have the dimez especially because CDC is in for the long haul ( or at least until turn around is completed) and this resolves the Going Concern question which freaked out Deloitte (the External Auditors) at the time of the final audit.

The negatives have been extremely magnified and priced in beyond what was reasonable, understandably so. However, as these fears get dispelled by credible information, I expect a decent price recovery (back to a minimum price of 10 or 15 in the near term.

We must move away from this piecemeal valuation of @ARMCEMENT as if it is not a going concern.

In view of the above, I'd be very disappointed if the Tanzanian plant is disposed of under any circumstances. I think it constitutes a core operational segment of ARM and all information indicates that it will survive.

Ericsson
#469 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2018 6:02:37 AM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,639
Location: NAIROBI
xxxxx wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
The conversion price for the ARM shares was 40.
And vvs you were a fan of ARM.

Nope, not a fan (for a few years) but I have watched it with interest. I have no ARM shares though I do regret not buying them at 3/- in the late 90s. I have a few (insignificant) Bamburi bought back in the day.

Your chance to buy at 3 bob. Get a loan Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
So much choice, so little cash!
When do they usually release 1H results?
I remain cautious BUT as @xxxxx said, this could be a multi-bagger if they can get their cashflow problems behind them.

I think @Ericsson said the main lenders are Stanbic and AFC. Any insights on what the two want to do? [Killing off ARM might not be on the agenda but selling off the loss-making TZ biz - like KK did - could provide a lifeline.]
What's CDC's gameplan given it has 40%+ of ARM?
Will PHP be sacked?

I do hope ARM can be turned around since manufacturing is a value-adding industry from adding value to the local/EAC limestone deposits, EAC coal deposits to building in Kenya for Kenyans.



I do not believe PHP will be sacked. In fact, he sounds kind of happy and confident that the tough times are behind us now.

CDC recommended a $50M equity injection, plus a $90M term loan with a 3 year moratorium, plus further working capital lines of around $30M. The proposed tenor for the debt portion of the restructuring was proposed as a maximum of 10 years.

AFC, Stanbic, Aureos and other creditors will be paid off this time Fully using the funding from CDC and their short term debt replaced by CDCs working capital lines as well as part of the term loan facility. So they won't be having a say in the way forward. Recall that the AFC facility was one of the auditors biggest headaches. Its matures fully this year yet at audit time, ARM didn't provide any evidence regarding the source of refinancing to plug its hole.

With regards to the equity injection, finer details haven't yet been confirmed to us so all and sundry can draw their preliminary conclusions between now and when the detailed announcement is made. An additional dilution of $50M to steady the ship is very welcome for me as a current shareholder since it precludes cash calls from me in the very short run. It can do wonders ( Ask the TOTAL guys if in doubt)

Knowing what I know now, I wish I had acquired more of this thing. It's still a strong buy even at current prices if you have the dimez especially because CDC is in for the long haul ( or at least until turn around is completed) and this resolves the Going Concern question which freaked out Deloitte (the External Auditors) at the time of the final audit.

The negatives have been extremely magnified and priced in beyond what was reasonable, understandably so. However, as these fears get dispelled by credible information, I expect a decent price recovery (back to a minimum price of 10 or 15 in the near term.

We must move away from this piecemeal valuation of @ARMCEMENT as if it is not a going concern.

In view of the above, I'd be very disappointed if the Tanzanian plant is disposed of under any circumstances. I think it constitutes a core operational segment of ARM and all information indicates that it will survive.



Good money been thrown at a bad business.That money CDC will never recover.
Who still buys Rhino Cement.ARM isn't in the top 4 Cement companies.
Mombasa,Savannah Cement took over ARM market share.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Juojo
#470 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2018 10:49:58 AM
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Joined: 7/7/2009
Posts: 41
VituVingiSana wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Juojo wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
the deal wrote:
, @fyatu I saw the Atlas thread... Why repeat the same mistake? We have alot of Gems at the NSE... Companies like this are not worth it... That HFCK is Gonna explode after the rate cap is removed.... It's a nice contrarian play... Almost same industry as ARM Cement!


@deal Atlas proposition of chancho project was too good to ignore. However, as it turned out, those wazungus were outright criminals that exploited week elements at CMA. I invested in ARM after visiting their factory in Athi river and observing that operations were ongoing i.e., clinker was coming in aand ready mix concrete was coming out. I don't intend to add more shares but rather will hold and weather the storm...it is highly unlikely ARM will go the Atlas way. All indications are that all assets in Tanzania wil be sold and focus will be Kenya and Rwanda. Also CDC have initiated a turnaround thus the proverbial corner is not far off


Shame on you Shame on you ARM does not produce readymix concrete. You must have visited the wrong factory


So what do you call the product they are delivering HERE and other upcoming skyscrappers of Nairobi almost on a daily basis

https://twitter.com/RhinoCement/status/941646666762997760
#FakeNews Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Just kidding. I have no idea. I am following the saga coz it is fascinating!
Good luck!



Trust me. i have procured readymix in this market. They don't have a single readymix plant. They just sell cement to some guy who produces on their behalf. They are just a readymix broker who has a brand in the industry. Usidanganywe na posts za Shoshomedia
Happiness is not the absence of problems, It's the ability to deal with them
VituVingiSana
#471 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2018 11:23:33 AM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,057
Location: Nairobi
Juojo wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Juojo wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
the deal wrote:
, @fyatu I saw the Atlas thread... Why repeat the same mistake? We have alot of Gems at the NSE... Companies like this are not worth it... That HFCK is Gonna explode after the rate cap is removed.... It's a nice contrarian play... Almost same industry as ARM Cement!


@deal Atlas proposition of chancho project was too good to ignore. However, as it turned out, those wazungus were outright criminals that exploited week elements at CMA. I invested in ARM after visiting their factory in Athi river and observing that operations were ongoing i.e., clinker was coming in aand ready mix concrete was coming out. I don't intend to add more shares but rather will hold and weather the storm...it is highly unlikely ARM will go the Atlas way. All indications are that all assets in Tanzania wil be sold and focus will be Kenya and Rwanda. Also CDC have initiated a turnaround thus the proverbial corner is not far off


Shame on you Shame on you ARM does not produce readymix concrete. You must have visited the wrong factory


So what do you call the product they are delivering HERE and other upcoming skyscrappers of Nairobi almost on a daily basis

https://twitter.com/RhinoCement/status/941646666762997760
#FakeNews Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Just kidding. I have no idea. I am following the saga coz it is fascinating!
Good luck!


Trust me. i have procured readymix in this market. They don't have a single readymix plant. They just sell cement to some guy who produces on their behalf. They are just a readymix broker who has a brand in the industry. Usidanganywe na posts za Shoshomedia

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
How does that work on a practical basis?
ARM supplies cement to another guy [who?] who then mixes in the extras and then sends it back to ARM?
Then ARM sells it to consumers?
Why can't ARM make their own readymix?
Who vouches for the quality?

ARM was the #3 cement when it listed firm but it has been eclipsed by others... ARM could have easily been #2 had it grown slowly and steadily.

What % market share do the various cement firms have in Kenya?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
cyruskulei
#472 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2018 12:15:56 PM
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Joined: 3/9/2010
Posts: 320
Location: kenya
VituVingiSana wrote:
Juojo wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Juojo wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
the deal wrote:
, @fyatu I saw the Atlas thread... Why repeat the same mistake? We have alot of Gems at the NSE... Companies like this are not worth it... That HFCK is Gonna explode after the rate cap is removed.... It's a nice contrarian play... Almost same industry as ARM Cement!


@deal Atlas proposition of chancho project was too good to ignore. However, as it turned out, those wazungus were outright criminals that exploited week elements at CMA. I invested in ARM after visiting their factory in Athi river and observing that operations were ongoing i.e., clinker was coming in aand ready mix concrete was coming out. I don't intend to add more shares but rather will hold and weather the storm...it is highly unlikely ARM will go the Atlas way. All indications are that all assets in Tanzania wil be sold and focus will be Kenya and Rwanda. Also CDC have initiated a turnaround thus the proverbial corner is not far off


Shame on you Shame on you ARM does not produce readymix concrete. You must have visited the wrong factory


So what do you call the product they are delivering HERE and other upcoming skyscrappers of Nairobi almost on a daily basis

https://twitter.com/RhinoCement/status/941646666762997760
#FakeNews Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Just kidding. I have no idea. I am following the saga coz it is fascinating!
Good luck!


Trust me. i have procured readymix in this market. They don't have a single readymix plant. They just sell cement to some guy who produces on their behalf. They are just a readymix broker who has a brand in the industry. Usidanganywe na posts za Shoshomedia

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
How does that work on a practical basis?
ARM supplies cement to another guy [who?] who then mixes in the extras and then sends it back to ARM?
Then ARM sells it to consumers?
Why can't ARM make their own readymix?
Who vouches for the quality?

ARM was the #3 cement when it listed firm but it has been eclipsed by others... ARM could have easily been #2 had it grown slowly and steadily.

What % market share do the various cement firms have in Kenya?



Lots of negative energy. Relax.
Work hard at your job and you can make a living. Work hard on yourself and you can make a fortune.

Fyatu
#473 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2018 12:34:04 PM
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Average demand for cement in East africa is about 10million metric tonnes vs installed capacity of < 20million metric tonnes. In Nigeria its about 90 million. Prior to 2017 cement demand in Kenya was growing at 10% y-t-y suggesting a modest demand of 20 million metric in 10 yrs.

Cement business is profitable and that is why if you stand on Mombasa road counting cars, you will now see shiny trailers branded Rai cement ferrying clinker to a new factory in rift valley(this was not the case 1 year ago). Further, Bamburi is increasing capacity in kenya and Uganda. Savannah, national cement(simba),Mombasa cement are increasing capacity. If you look at the number of tall buildings coming up in Westlands alone or count the number of mud-walled houses in Nyeri county(poverty is real in these parts despite the pride of these people) you will see that we are still a long way to go in terms of cement consumption.I have not even considered the 10,000 kilometers road annuity ,SGR,Turkana oil fields, LAPPSET etc.As they say, the best investment strategy when it comes to equities can be abbreviated BBC i.e., Beer, Bank and Cement
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
VituVingiSana
#474 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2018 12:39:06 PM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,057
Location: Nairobi
cyruskulei wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Juojo wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Juojo wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
the deal wrote:
, @fyatu I saw the Atlas thread... Why repeat the same mistake? We have alot of Gems at the NSE... Companies like this are not worth it... That HFCK is Gonna explode after the rate cap is removed.... It's a nice contrarian play... Almost same industry as ARM Cement!


@deal Atlas proposition of chancho project was too good to ignore. However, as it turned out, those wazungus were outright criminals that exploited week elements at CMA. I invested in ARM after visiting their factory in Athi river and observing that operations were ongoing i.e., clinker was coming in aand ready mix concrete was coming out. I don't intend to add more shares but rather will hold and weather the storm...it is highly unlikely ARM will go the Atlas way. All indications are that all assets in Tanzania wil be sold and focus will be Kenya and Rwanda. Also CDC have initiated a turnaround thus the proverbial corner is not far off


Shame on you Shame on you ARM does not produce readymix concrete. You must have visited the wrong factory


So what do you call the product they are delivering HERE and other upcoming skyscrappers of Nairobi almost on a daily basis

https://twitter.com/RhinoCement/status/941646666762997760
#FakeNews Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Just kidding. I have no idea. I am following the saga coz it is fascinating!
Good luck!


Trust me. i have procured readymix in this market. They don't have a single readymix plant. They just sell cement to some guy who produces on their behalf. They are just a readymix broker who has a brand in the industry. Usidanganywe na posts za Shoshomedia

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
How does that work on a practical basis?
ARM supplies cement to another guy [who?] who then mixes in the extras and then sends it back to ARM?
Then ARM sells it to consumers?
Why can't ARM make their own readymix?
Who vouches for the quality?

ARM was the #3 cement when it listed firm but it has been eclipsed by others... ARM could have easily been #2 had it grown slowly and steadily.

What % market share do the various cement firms have in Kenya?


Lots of negative energy. Relax.
Sawa @ArapPaunrana Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Ni maswali tu. Answers are appreciated smile
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Fyatu
#475 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2018 12:50:00 PM
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Joined: 1/20/2011
Posts: 1,820
Location: Nakuru
VituVingiSana wrote:
Juojo wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Juojo wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
the deal wrote:
, @fyatu I saw the Atlas thread... Why repeat the same mistake? We have alot of Gems at the NSE... Companies like this are not worth it... That HFCK is Gonna explode after the rate cap is removed.... It's a nice contrarian play... Almost same industry as ARM Cement!


@deal Atlas proposition of chancho project was too good to ignore. However, as it turned out, those wazungus were outright criminals that exploited week elements at CMA. I invested in ARM after visiting their factory in Athi river and observing that operations were ongoing i.e., clinker was coming in aand ready mix concrete was coming out. I don't intend to add more shares but rather will hold and weather the storm...it is highly unlikely ARM will go the Atlas way. All indications are that all assets in Tanzania wil be sold and focus will be Kenya and Rwanda. Also CDC have initiated a turnaround thus the proverbial corner is not far off


Shame on you Shame on you ARM does not produce readymix concrete. You must have visited the wrong factory


So what do you call the product they are delivering HERE and other upcoming skyscrappers of Nairobi almost on a daily basis

https://twitter.com/RhinoCement/status/941646666762997760
#FakeNews Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Just kidding. I have no idea. I am following the saga coz it is fascinating!
Good luck!


Trust me. i have procured readymix in this market. They don't have a single readymix plant. They just sell cement to some guy who produces on their behalf. They are just a readymix broker who has a brand in the industry. Usidanganywe na posts za Shoshomedia

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
How does that work on a practical basis?
ARM supplies cement to another guy [who?] who then mixes in the extras and then sends it back to ARM?
Then ARM sells it to consumers?
Why can't ARM make their own readymix?
Who vouches for the quality?

ARM was the #3 cement when it listed firm but it has been eclipsed by others... ARM could have easily been #2 had it grown slowly and steadily.

What % market share do the various cement firms have in Kenya?


Please see these two links(below).

2018 numbers source East African


December 2017 numbers. Source construction Kenya

Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
cyruskulei
#476 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2018 2:02:01 PM
Rank: Member


Joined: 3/9/2010
Posts: 320
Location: kenya
cyruskulei wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Juojo wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Juojo wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
the deal wrote:
, @fyatu I saw the Atlas thread... Why repeat the same mistake? We have alot of Gems at the NSE... Companies like this are not worth it... That HFCK is Gonna explode after the rate cap is removed.... It's a nice contrarian play... Almost same industry as ARM Cement!


@deal Atlas proposition of chancho project was too good to ignore. However, as it turned out, those wazungus were outright criminals that exploited week elements at CMA. I invested in ARM after visiting their factory in Athi river and observing that operations were ongoing i.e., clinker was coming in aand ready mix concrete was coming out. I don't intend to add more shares but rather will hold and weather the storm...it is highly unlikely ARM will go the Atlas way. All indications are that all assets in Tanzania wil be sold and focus will be Kenya and Rwanda. Also CDC have initiated a turnaround thus the proverbial corner is not far off


Shame on you Shame on you ARM does not produce readymix concrete. You must have visited the wrong factory


So what do you call the product they are delivering HERE and other upcoming skyscrappers of Nairobi almost on a daily basis

https://twitter.com/RhinoCement/status/941646666762997760
#FakeNews Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Just kidding. I have no idea. I am following the saga coz it is fascinating!
Good luck!


Trust me. i have procured readymix in this market. They don't have a single readymix plant. They just sell cement to some guy who produces on their behalf. They are just a readymix broker who has a brand in the industry. Usidanganywe na posts za Shoshomedia

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
How does that work on a practical basis?
ARM supplies cement to another guy [who?] who then mixes in the extras and then sends it back to ARM?
Then ARM sells it to consumers?
Why can't ARM make their own readymix?
Who vouches for the quality?

ARM was the #3 cement when it listed firm but it has been eclipsed by others... ARM could have easily been #2 had it grown slowly and steadily.

What % market share do the various cement firms have in Kenya?



Lots of negative energy. Relax.


This counter has made people money very fast. If u bought last week @2.5 and say you managed to buy 100k shares, then now @3.65, just in a week u have made more than 100,000.00. Better than any other. The concept of buy low and sell high happens here and now.
Work hard at your job and you can make a living. Work hard on yourself and you can make a fortune.

Spikes
#477 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2018 3:25:13 PM
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cyruskulei wrote:
cyruskulei wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Juojo wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Juojo wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
the deal wrote:
, @fyatu I saw the Atlas thread... Why repeat the same mistake? We have alot of Gems at the NSE... Companies like this are not worth it... That HFCK is Gonna explode after the rate cap is removed.... It's a nice contrarian play... Almost same industry as ARM Cement!


@deal Atlas proposition of chancho project was too good to ignore. However, as it turned out, those wazungus were outright criminals that exploited week elements at CMA. I invested in ARM after visiting their factory in Athi river and observing that operations were ongoing i.e., clinker was coming in aand ready mix concrete was coming out. I don't intend to add more shares but rather will hold and weather the storm...it is highly unlikely ARM will go the Atlas way. All indications are that all assets in Tanzania wil be sold and focus will be Kenya and Rwanda. Also CDC have initiated a turnaround thus the proverbial corner is not far off


Shame on you Shame on you ARM does not produce readymix concrete. You must have visited the wrong factory


So what do you call the product they are delivering HERE and other upcoming skyscrappers of Nairobi almost on a daily basis

https://twitter.com/RhinoCement/status/941646666762997760
#FakeNews Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Just kidding. I have no idea. I am following the saga coz it is fascinating!
Good luck!


Trust me. i have procured readymix in this market. They don't have a single readymix plant. They just sell cement to some guy who produces on their behalf. They are just a readymix broker who has a brand in the industry. Usidanganywe na posts za Shoshomedia

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
How does that work on a practical basis?
ARM supplies cement to another guy [who?] who then mixes in the extras and then sends it back to ARM?
Then ARM sells it to consumers?
Why can't ARM make their own readymix?
Who vouches for the quality?

ARM was the #3 cement when it listed firm but it has been eclipsed by others... ARM could have easily been #2 had it grown slowly and steadily.

What % market share do the various cement firms have in Kenya?



Lots of negative energy. Relax.


This counter has made people money very fast. If u bought last week @2.5 and say you managed to buy 100k shares, then now @3.65, just in a week u have made more than 100,000.00. Better than any other. The concept of buy low and sell high happens here and now.


Rocket rally prophecy has come to pass overcrowding @Obiero's fear uncertainty and doubt aka FUD.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
obiero
#478 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2018 3:28:59 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,475
Location: nairobi
Spikes wrote:
cyruskulei wrote:
cyruskulei wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Juojo wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Juojo wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
the deal wrote:
, @fyatu I saw the Atlas thread... Why repeat the same mistake? We have alot of Gems at the NSE... Companies like this are not worth it... That HFCK is Gonna explode after the rate cap is removed.... It's a nice contrarian play... Almost same industry as ARM Cement!


@deal Atlas proposition of chancho project was too good to ignore. However, as it turned out, those wazungus were outright criminals that exploited week elements at CMA. I invested in ARM after visiting their factory in Athi river and observing that operations were ongoing i.e., clinker was coming in aand ready mix concrete was coming out. I don't intend to add more shares but rather will hold and weather the storm...it is highly unlikely ARM will go the Atlas way. All indications are that all assets in Tanzania wil be sold and focus will be Kenya and Rwanda. Also CDC have initiated a turnaround thus the proverbial corner is not far off


Shame on you Shame on you ARM does not produce readymix concrete. You must have visited the wrong factory


So what do you call the product they are delivering HERE and other upcoming skyscrappers of Nairobi almost on a daily basis

https://twitter.com/RhinoCement/status/941646666762997760
#FakeNews Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Just kidding. I have no idea. I am following the saga coz it is fascinating!
Good luck!


Trust me. i have procured readymix in this market. They don't have a single readymix plant. They just sell cement to some guy who produces on their behalf. They are just a readymix broker who has a brand in the industry. Usidanganywe na posts za Shoshomedia

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
How does that work on a practical basis?
ARM supplies cement to another guy [who?] who then mixes in the extras and then sends it back to ARM?
Then ARM sells it to consumers?
Why can't ARM make their own readymix?
Who vouches for the quality?

ARM was the #3 cement when it listed firm but it has been eclipsed by others... ARM could have easily been #2 had it grown slowly and steadily.

What % market share do the various cement firms have in Kenya?



Lots of negative energy. Relax.


This counter has made people money very fast. If u bought last week @2.5 and say you managed to buy 100k shares, then now @3.65, just in a week u have made more than 100,000.00. Better than any other. The concept of buy low and sell high happens here and now.


Rocket rally prophecy has come to pass overcrowding @Obiero's fear uncertainty and doubt aka FUD.

Rocket indeed. I have seen the spike. All the best though, look closely at the volumes and remember there are many times the number of people who want to get out as those interested in coming in..

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
sparkly
#479 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2018 8:20:26 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
cyruskulei wrote:
cyruskulei wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Juojo wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Juojo wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
the deal wrote:
, @fyatu I saw the Atlas thread... Why repeat the same mistake? We have alot of Gems at the NSE... Companies like this are not worth it... That HFCK is Gonna explode after the rate cap is removed.... It's a nice contrarian play... Almost same industry as ARM Cement!


@deal Atlas proposition of chancho project was too good to ignore. However, as it turned out, those wazungus were outright criminals that exploited week elements at CMA. I invested in ARM after visiting their factory in Athi river and observing that operations were ongoing i.e., clinker was coming in aand ready mix concrete was coming out. I don't intend to add more shares but rather will hold and weather the storm...it is highly unlikely ARM will go the Atlas way. All indications are that all assets in Tanzania wil be sold and focus will be Kenya and Rwanda. Also CDC have initiated a turnaround thus the proverbial corner is not far off


Shame on you Shame on you ARM does not produce readymix concrete. You must have visited the wrong factory


So what do you call the product they are delivering HERE and other upcoming skyscrappers of Nairobi almost on a daily basis

https://twitter.com/RhinoCement/status/941646666762997760
#FakeNews Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Just kidding. I have no idea. I am following the saga coz it is fascinating!
Good luck!


Trust me. i have procured readymix in this market. They don't have a single readymix plant. They just sell cement to some guy who produces on their behalf. They are just a readymix broker who has a brand in the industry. Usidanganywe na posts za Shoshomedia

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
How does that work on a practical basis?
ARM supplies cement to another guy [who?] who then mixes in the extras and then sends it back to ARM?
Then ARM sells it to consumers?
Why can't ARM make their own readymix?
Who vouches for the quality?

ARM was the #3 cement when it listed firm but it has been eclipsed by others... ARM could have easily been #2 had it grown slowly and steadily.

What % market share do the various cement firms have in Kenya?



Lots of negative energy. Relax.


This counter has made people money very fast. If u bought last week @2.5 and say you managed to buy 100k shares, then now @3.65, just in a week u have made more than 100,000.00. Better than any other. The concept of buy low and sell high happens here and now.


Rocket rally prophecy has come to pass overcrowding @Obiero's fear uncertainty and doubt aka FUD.

Rocket indeed. I have seen the spike. All the best though, look closely at the volumes and remember there are many times the number of people who want to get out as those interested in coming in..


@Obiero sell KQ and jump in before it's too late. This is the only share rising in a tanking market.
Life is short. Live passionately.
VituVingiSana
#480 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2018 10:53:44 PM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,057
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
cyruskulei wrote:
cyruskulei wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Juojo wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Juojo wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
the deal wrote:
, @fyatu I saw the Atlas thread... Why repeat the same mistake? We have alot of Gems at the NSE... Companies like this are not worth it... That HFCK is Gonna explode after the rate cap is removed.... It's a nice contrarian play... Almost same industry as ARM Cement!


@deal Atlas proposition of chancho project was too good to ignore. However, as it turned out, those wazungus were outright criminals that exploited week elements at CMA. I invested in ARM after visiting their factory in Athi river and observing that operations were ongoing i.e., clinker was coming in aand ready mix concrete was coming out. I don't intend to add more shares but rather will hold and weather the storm...it is highly unlikely ARM will go the Atlas way. All indications are that all assets in Tanzania wil be sold and focus will be Kenya and Rwanda. Also CDC have initiated a turnaround thus the proverbial corner is not far off


Shame on you Shame on you ARM does not produce readymix concrete. You must have visited the wrong factory


So what do you call the product they are delivering HERE and other upcoming skyscrappers of Nairobi almost on a daily basis

https://twitter.com/RhinoCement/status/941646666762997760
#FakeNews Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Just kidding. I have no idea. I am following the saga coz it is fascinating!
Good luck!


Trust me. i have procured readymix in this market. They don't have a single readymix plant. They just sell cement to some guy who produces on their behalf. They are just a readymix broker who has a brand in the industry. Usidanganywe na posts za Shoshomedia

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
How does that work on a practical basis?
ARM supplies cement to another guy [who?] who then mixes in the extras and then sends it back to ARM?
Then ARM sells it to consumers?
Why can't ARM make their own readymix?
Who vouches for the quality?

ARM was the #3 cement when it listed firm but it has been eclipsed by others... ARM could have easily been #2 had it grown slowly and steadily.

What % market share do the various cement firms have in Kenya?



Lots of negative energy. Relax.


This counter has made people money very fast. If u bought last week @2.5 and say you managed to buy 100k shares, then now @3.65, just in a week u have made more than 100,000.00. Better than any other. The concept of buy low and sell high happens here and now.


Rocket rally prophecy has come to pass overcrowding @Obiero's fear uncertainty and doubt aka FUD.

Rocket indeed. I have seen the spike. All the best though, look closely at the volumes and remember there are many times the number of people who want to get out as those interested in coming in..

Isn't this the same philosophy/strategy you advocated for KQ?
The difference is that it actually happened in ARM vs KQ. Plus if @xxxxx is right then there's more to come for ARM over the next 12-18 months.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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