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In his ruling the Judge offered that there are grounds enough to bar Wavinya from running, but he chose not to venture there, restricting himself to the grounds which IEBC had cited in nullifying her candidature. LinkQuote:“The court has found that other issues raised as the basis for justification of the committee’s verdict were not grounds upon which IEBC made its decision,” he said.
“It may well be that had the committee based its decision on the issues raised before me, a different outcome might have been reached.”
That means in a substantive hearing of the issues, ably prosecuted, Wavinya is likely to be barred. We know not if the court of appeal will also restrict itself as Judge Odunga did, or it will opt to interrogate the real issues in order to mete out justice substantively as opposed to technical circumventions, which are unduly preferred and pursued more than anything else by litigants who have something to hide. Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Sorry for the intrusion, does anyone know the outcome of the Susan Kihika case? I see the women seen as a threat by men are facing hard time ie Waiguru, Kihika and Ndeti To Each His Own
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kayhara wrote:Sorry for the intrusion, does anyone know the outcome of the Susan Kihika case? I see the women seen as a threat by men are facing hard time ie Waiguru, Kihika and Ndeti Justice Odunga ruled that she (Kihika) can vie.
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hardwood wrote:kayhara wrote:Sorry for the intrusion, does anyone know the outcome of the Susan Kihika case? I see the women seen as a threat by men are facing hard time ie Waiguru, Kihika and Ndeti Justice Odinga ruled that she (Kihika) can vie. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Angelica _ann wrote:hardwood wrote:kayhara wrote:Sorry for the intrusion, does anyone know the outcome of the Susan Kihika case? I see the women seen as a threat by men are facing hard time ie Waiguru, Kihika and Ndeti Justice Odinga ruled that she (Kihika) can vie. I have followed the fate of aspiring women leaders for five years now and I no longer think it is a coincidence that practically all of them are targeted at some point by a hostile system. While I agree with Nkaissery that women have to be much tougher than men just to make progress in a male dominated field, I think this is not enough. I hope one of our new MP's will be brave enough to propose a 'Protection of Women in Leadership" law that will, for instance punish the openly misogynistic behavior that we are seeing now. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Ngalaka wrote:In his ruling the Judge offered that there are grounds enough to bar Wavinya from running, but he chose not to venture there, restricting himself to the grounds which IEBC had cited in nullifying her candidature. LinkQuote:“The court has found that other issues raised as the basis for justification of the committee’s verdict were not grounds upon which IEBC made its decision,” he said.
“It may well be that had the committee based its decision on the issues raised before me, a different outcome might have been reached.”
That means in a substantive hearing of the issues, ably prosecuted, Wavinya is likely to be barred. We know not if the court of appeal will also restrict itself as Judge Odunga did, or it will opt to interrogate the real issues in order to mete out justice substantively as opposed to technical circumventions, which are unduly preferred and pursued more than anything else by litigants who have something to hide. he seems to be saying this: 1. committee barred wavinya; 2. wavinya appealed to the court against the decision of the committee to bar her; 3. when the matter was before the judge new issues were raised on why wavinya should be barred; 4. these issues were new in that they were not the basis (and were probably not raised before the committee) of the committee's decision; 5. the matter before the court and judge was not the eligibility of wavinya to participate in the elections but whether the committee's decision was legal and should stand; 6. due to the foregoing it was not up to the court/judge to entertain new grounds on her eligibility or otherwise but it/he had to restrict itself to the matter before it/him - the decision of the committee. any appeal will most likely agree with the judge. note - the different outcome statement by the judge doesn't mean much. courts usually use them merely to stress the point that they have not considered such issues in their decisions.
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Looks like the MCA who filed the case and his financiers just want to keep wavinya busy in court rather than campaigning. "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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mkenyan wrote:Ngalaka wrote:In his ruling the Judge offered that there are grounds enough to bar Wavinya from running, but he chose not to venture there, restricting himself to the grounds which IEBC had cited in nullifying her candidature. LinkQuote:“The court has found that other issues raised as the basis for justification of the committee’s verdict were not grounds upon which IEBC made its decision,” he said.
“It may well be that had the committee based its decision on the issues raised before me, a different outcome might have been reached.”
That means in a substantive hearing of the issues, ably prosecuted, Wavinya is likely to be barred. We know not if the court of appeal will also restrict itself as Judge Odunga did, or it will opt to interrogate the real issues in order to mete out justice substantively as opposed to technical circumventions, which are unduly preferred and pursued more than anything else by litigants who have something to hide. he seems to be saying this: 1. committee barred wavinya; 2. wavinya appealed to the court against the decision of the committee to bar her; 3. when the matter was before the judge new issues were raised on why wavinya should be barred; 4. these issues were new in that they were not the basis (and were probably not raised before the committee) of the committee's decision; 5. the matter before the court and judge was not the eligibility of wavinya to participate in the elections but whether the committee's decision was legal and should stand; 6. due to the foregoing it was not up to the court/judge to entertain new grounds on her eligibility or otherwise but it/he had to restrict itself to the matter before it/him - the decision of the committee. any appeal will most likely agree with the judge. note - the different outcome statement by the judge doesn't mean much. courts usually use them merely to stress the point that they have not considered such issues in their decisions. You and I are basically saying the same thing. However as concerns the said new issues, one can never tell for sure how another court will consider/treat them. A conservative judge would rule the way Odunga did, and that's perfectly lawful, but a liberal judge may want to get to the real issues sorrounding the matter in order to dispense real justice. Both Judges will be within their legal gamut. While at it, consider that the party going to court of appeal is the MCA guy with Muthama in the shadows  How the appellant will argue his case may also be key! Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Ngalaka wrote:mkenyan wrote:Ngalaka wrote:In his ruling the Judge offered that there are grounds enough to bar Wavinya from running, but he chose not to venture there, restricting himself to the grounds which IEBC had cited in nullifying her candidature. LinkQuote:“The court has found that other issues raised as the basis for justification of the committee’s verdict were not grounds upon which IEBC made its decision,” he said.
“It may well be that had the committee based its decision on the issues raised before me, a different outcome might have been reached.”
That means in a substantive hearing of the issues, ably prosecuted, Wavinya is likely to be barred. We know not if the court of appeal will also restrict itself as Judge Odunga did, or it will opt to interrogate the real issues in order to mete out justice substantively as opposed to technical circumventions, which are unduly preferred and pursued more than anything else by litigants who have something to hide. he seems to be saying this: 1. committee barred wavinya; 2. wavinya appealed to the court against the decision of the committee to bar her; 3. when the matter was before the judge new issues were raised on why wavinya should be barred; 4. these issues were new in that they were not the basis (and were probably not raised before the committee) of the committee's decision; 5. the matter before the court and judge was not the eligibility of wavinya to participate in the elections but whether the committee's decision was legal and should stand; 6. due to the foregoing it was not up to the court/judge to entertain new grounds on her eligibility or otherwise but it/he had to restrict itself to the matter before it/him - the decision of the committee. any appeal will most likely agree with the judge. note - the different outcome statement by the judge doesn't mean much. courts usually use them merely to stress the point that they have not considered such issues in their decisions. You and I are basically saying the same thing. However as concerns the said new issues, one can never tell for sure how another court will consider/treat them. A conservative judge would rule the way Odunga did, and that's perfectly lawful, but a liberal judge may want to get to the real issues sorrounding the matter in order to dispense real justice. Both Judges will be within their legal gamut. While at it, consider that the party going to court of appeal is the MCA guy with Muthama in the shadows How the appellant will argue his case may also be key! He's been very silent and the speed at which he filed this case shows that indeed he expected this ruling. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Ngalaka wrote:mkenyan wrote:Ngalaka wrote:In his ruling the Judge offered that there are grounds enough to bar Wavinya from running, but he chose not to venture there, restricting himself to the grounds which IEBC had cited in nullifying her candidature. LinkQuote:“The court has found that other issues raised as the basis for justification of the committee’s verdict were not grounds upon which IEBC made its decision,” he said.
“It may well be that had the committee based its decision on the issues raised before me, a different outcome might have been reached.”
That means in a substantive hearing of the issues, ably prosecuted, Wavinya is likely to be barred. We know not if the court of appeal will also restrict itself as Judge Odunga did, or it will opt to interrogate the real issues in order to mete out justice substantively as opposed to technical circumventions, which are unduly preferred and pursued more than anything else by litigants who have something to hide. he seems to be saying this: 1. committee barred wavinya; 2. wavinya appealed to the court against the decision of the committee to bar her; 3. when the matter was before the judge new issues were raised on why wavinya should be barred; 4. these issues were new in that they were not the basis (and were probably not raised before the committee) of the committee's decision; 5. the matter before the court and judge was not the eligibility of wavinya to participate in the elections but whether the committee's decision was legal and should stand; 6. due to the foregoing it was not up to the court/judge to entertain new grounds on her eligibility or otherwise but it/he had to restrict itself to the matter before it/him - the decision of the committee. any appeal will most likely agree with the judge. note - the different outcome statement by the judge doesn't mean much. courts usually use them merely to stress the point that they have not considered such issues in their decisions. You and I are basically saying the same thing. However as concerns the said new issues, one can never tell for sure how another court will consider/treat them. A conservative judge would rule the way Odunga did, and that's perfectly lawful, but a liberal judge may want to get to the real issues sorrounding the matter in order to dispense real justice. Both Judges will be within their legal gamut. While at it, consider that the party going to court of appeal is the MCA guy with Muthama in the shadows How the appellant will argue his case may also be key! i agree. and i imagine that the mca (or proxy) is best forgetting the appeal and filing a petition before the high court raising all those issues that were not dealt with by the judge. based on what was shared by murchr earlier in this thread (those may probably have been the 'new' issues), there are lots of messy stuff in this matter to possibly lock her out.
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Ngalaka wrote:In his ruling the Judge offered that there are grounds enough to bar Wavinya from running, but he chose not to venture there, restricting himself to the grounds which IEBC had cited in nullifying her candidature. LinkQuote:“The court has found that other issues raised as the basis for justification of the committee’s verdict were not grounds upon which IEBC made its decision,” he said.
“It may well be that had the committee based its decision on the issues raised before me, a different outcome might have been reached.”
That means in a substantive hearing of the issues, ably prosecuted, Wavinya is likely to be barred. We know not if the court of appeal will also restrict itself as Judge Odunga did, or it will opt to interrogate the real issues in order to mete out justice substantively as opposed to technical circumventions, which are unduly preferred and pursued more than anything else by litigants who have something to hide. Ummmh Boss...CA only restricts itself to matters of law.It cannot start interrogating new evidence. If IEBC did not rely on the grounds you are claiming its their fault not the judges' Plus Res Judicata has kicked in....  possunt quia posse videntur
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maka wrote:Ngalaka wrote:In his ruling the Judge offered that there are grounds enough to bar Wavinya from running, but he chose not to venture there, restricting himself to the grounds which IEBC had cited in nullifying her candidature. LinkQuote:“The court has found that other issues raised as the basis for justification of the committee’s verdict were not grounds upon which IEBC made its decision,” he said.
“It may well be that had the committee based its decision on the issues raised before me, a different outcome might have been reached.”
That means in a substantive hearing of the issues, ably prosecuted, Wavinya is likely to be barred. We know not if the court of appeal will also restrict itself as Judge Odunga did, or it will opt to interrogate the real issues in order to mete out justice substantively as opposed to technical circumventions, which are unduly preferred and pursued more than anything else by litigants who have something to hide. Ummmh Boss...CA only restricts itself to matters of law.It cannot start interrogating new evidence. If IEBC did not rely on the grounds you are claiming its their fault not the judges' Plus Res Judicata has kicked in.... Kinda like " Yaliyo ndwele sipite" "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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maka wrote:Ngalaka wrote:In his ruling the Judge offered that there are grounds enough to bar Wavinya from running, but he chose not to venture there, restricting himself to the grounds which IEBC had cited in nullifying her candidature. LinkQuote:“The court has found that other issues raised as the basis for justification of the committee’s verdict were not grounds upon which IEBC made its decision,” he said.
“It may well be that had the committee based its decision on the issues raised before me, a different outcome might have been reached.”
That means in a substantive hearing of the issues, ably prosecuted, Wavinya is likely to be barred. We know not if the court of appeal will also restrict itself as Judge Odunga did, or it will opt to interrogate the real issues in order to mete out justice substantively as opposed to technical circumventions, which are unduly preferred and pursued more than anything else by litigants who have something to hide. Ummmh Boss...CA only restricts itself to matters of law.It cannot start interrogating new evidence. If IEBC did not rely on the grounds you are claiming its their fault not the judges' Plus Res Judicata has kicked in.... At no point did I say Judge Odunga is at fault. At that court of appeal, the appellant might argue that he presented all evidence and argued his case citing all dimensions of it, but IEBC chose to rely and or only cite a narrow and limited spectrum of his argument in their ruling. As such IEBC’s deficiencies shouldn’t subject him to suffering inequity as well as cause a general miscarriage of justice. If that be so, the matter of “Plus Res Judicata” does not arise at all. In any case such matters are considered differently by different judges. Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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How can anyone in their right mind support this kind of electoral theft aka rigging????? How do you put such thieves into power????? @maka you should be ashamed of yourself. http://nairobiwire.com/2...tis-inflated-votes.html
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murchr wrote:maka wrote:Ngalaka wrote:In his ruling the Judge offered that there are grounds enough to bar Wavinya from running, but he chose not to venture there, restricting himself to the grounds which IEBC had cited in nullifying her candidature. LinkQuote:“The court has found that other issues raised as the basis for justification of the committee’s verdict were not grounds upon which IEBC made its decision,” he said.
“It may well be that had the committee based its decision on the issues raised before me, a different outcome might have been reached.”
That means in a substantive hearing of the issues, ably prosecuted, Wavinya is likely to be barred. We know not if the court of appeal will also restrict itself as Judge Odunga did, or it will opt to interrogate the real issues in order to mete out justice substantively as opposed to technical circumventions, which are unduly preferred and pursued more than anything else by litigants who have something to hide. Ummmh Boss...CA only restricts itself to matters of law.It cannot start interrogating new evidence. If IEBC did not rely on the grounds you are claiming its their fault not the judges' Plus Res Judicata has kicked in.... Kinda like " Yaliyo ndwele sipite" I heard that one.And I remembered beginning of Ramadhan she sent IDD MUBARAK instead of Ramadhan Kareem.She must have scored a D plain this one. Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
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Bigchick wrote:murchr wrote:maka wrote:Ngalaka wrote:In his ruling the Judge offered that there are grounds enough to bar Wavinya from running, but he chose not to venture there, restricting himself to the grounds which IEBC had cited in nullifying her candidature. LinkQuote:“The court has found that other issues raised as the basis for justification of the committee’s verdict were not grounds upon which IEBC made its decision,” he said.
“It may well be that had the committee based its decision on the issues raised before me, a different outcome might have been reached.”
That means in a substantive hearing of the issues, ably prosecuted, Wavinya is likely to be barred. We know not if the court of appeal will also restrict itself as Judge Odunga did, or it will opt to interrogate the real issues in order to mete out justice substantively as opposed to technical circumventions, which are unduly preferred and pursued more than anything else by litigants who have something to hide. Ummmh Boss...CA only restricts itself to matters of law.It cannot start interrogating new evidence. If IEBC did not rely on the grounds you are claiming its their fault not the judges' Plus Res Judicata has kicked in.... Kinda like " Yaliyo ndwele sipite" I heard that one.And I remembered beginning of Ramadhan she sent IDD MUBARAK instead of Ramadhan Kareem.She must have scored a D plain this one. She really got me confused yesterday. And the confidence she had while saying that....  I had to consult further. Waa! "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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murchr wrote:Bigchick wrote:murchr wrote:maka wrote:Ngalaka wrote:In his ruling the Judge offered that there are grounds enough to bar Wavinya from running, but he chose not to venture there, restricting himself to the grounds which IEBC had cited in nullifying her candidature. LinkQuote:“The court has found that other issues raised as the basis for justification of the committee’s verdict were not grounds upon which IEBC made its decision,” he said.
“It may well be that had the committee based its decision on the issues raised before me, a different outcome might have been reached.”
That means in a substantive hearing of the issues, ably prosecuted, Wavinya is likely to be barred. We know not if the court of appeal will also restrict itself as Judge Odunga did, or it will opt to interrogate the real issues in order to mete out justice substantively as opposed to technical circumventions, which are unduly preferred and pursued more than anything else by litigants who have something to hide. Ummmh Boss...CA only restricts itself to matters of law.It cannot start interrogating new evidence. If IEBC did not rely on the grounds you are claiming its their fault not the judges' Plus Res Judicata has kicked in.... Kinda like " Yaliyo ndwele sipite" I heard that one.And I remembered beginning of Ramadhan she sent IDD MUBARAK instead of Ramadhan Kareem.She must have scored a D plain this one. She really got me confused yesterday. And the confidence she had while saying that.... I had to consult further. Waa! possunt quia posse videntur
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maka wrote:murchr wrote:Bigchick wrote:murchr wrote:maka wrote:Ngalaka wrote:In his ruling the Judge offered that there are grounds enough to bar Wavinya from running, but he chose not to venture there, restricting himself to the grounds which IEBC had cited in nullifying her candidature. LinkQuote:“The court has found that other issues raised as the basis for justification of the committee’s verdict were not grounds upon which IEBC made its decision,” he said.
“It may well be that had the committee based its decision on the issues raised before me, a different outcome might have been reached.”
That means in a substantive hearing of the issues, ably prosecuted, Wavinya is likely to be barred. We know not if the court of appeal will also restrict itself as Judge Odunga did, or it will opt to interrogate the real issues in order to mete out justice substantively as opposed to technical circumventions, which are unduly preferred and pursued more than anything else by litigants who have something to hide. Ummmh Boss...CA only restricts itself to matters of law.It cannot start interrogating new evidence. If IEBC did not rely on the grounds you are claiming its their fault not the judges' Plus Res Judicata has kicked in.... Kinda like " Yaliyo ndwele sipite" I heard that one.And I remembered beginning of Ramadhan she sent IDD MUBARAK instead of Ramadhan Kareem. She must have scored a D plain this one.
She really got me confused yesterday. And the confidence she had while saying that.... I had to consult further. Waa! one last time language a mean of communication and not a measure of intelligence Some you win some you lose
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She could very well become the most prominent Kamba politician in the next 5 yrs.
Consider this:
Jubilee wins but Sonko loses.
It will also mean that there'll be no Kamba politician at the national space sinxe the Nairobi gvnor is like a national leader.
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yaliyo ndwele sipite http://www.nation.co.ke/...14512-epfgev/index.html
Mutua should be a worried man. we might just have the first woman governor. any way Machakos is blessed to have these 2 performers punda amecheka
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