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Good morning gentlemen. Thought this matter deserves a thread of its own.
Much as am a NASA diehard, the escalation of tension over this matter doesn't sit well with me.
Can IEBC explain its rationale for appealing ? Give examples from 2013 where it was necessary to adjust inaccurate figures from constituencies.
Is there time to anchor in the elections act the circumstances under which IEBC can adjust figures ?
@maka, @masukuma, could you weigh in on this debate.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/11/2007 Posts: 694
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FRM2011 wrote:
Good morning gentlemen. Thought this matter deserves a thread of its own.
Much as am a NASA diehard, the escalation of tension over this matter doesn't sit well with me.
Can IEBC explain its rationale for appealing ? Give examples from 2013 where it was necessary to adjust inaccurate figures from constituencies.
Is there time to anchor in the elections act the circumstances under which IEBC can adjust figures ?
@maka, @masukuma, could you weigh in on this debate.
@FRM2011 after yesterday's 10 Million strong rally, panic all over even my house help now want to go home and wait until the elections are over. Hata mimi listening to Muthama couldn't help but started to rethink about my strategy on disaster preparedness That how the rally was successful
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/22/2009 Posts: 2,449 Location: Africa
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sheri wrote:FRM2011 wrote:
Good morning gentlemen. Thought this matter deserves a thread of its own.
Much as am a NASA diehard, the escalation of tension over this matter doesn't sit well with me.
Can IEBC explain its rationale for appealing ? Give examples from 2013 where it was necessary to adjust inaccurate figures from constituencies.
Is there time to anchor in the elections act the circumstances under which IEBC can adjust figures ?
@maka, @masukuma, could you weigh in on this debate.
@FRM2011 after yesterday's 10 Million strong rally, panic all over even my house help now want to go home and wait until the elections are over. Hata mimi listening to Muthama couldn't help but started to rethink about my strategy on disaster preparedness That how the rally was successful They were talking some nasty ish. Clearly they are determined to cause trouble
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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Shak wrote:sheri wrote:[quote=FRM2011]
They were talking some nasty ish. Clearly they are determined to cause trouble NASA is doing a good job campaigning for Jubilee and crowds do not translate into votes. Ask Wetangula. Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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FRM2011 wrote:
Good morning gentlemen. Thought this matter deserves a thread of its own.
Much as am a NASA diehard, the escalation of tension over this matter doesn't sit well with me.
Can IEBC explain its rationale for appealing ? Give examples from 2013 where it was necessary to adjust inaccurate figures from constituencies.
Is there time to anchor in the elections act the circumstances under which IEBC can adjust figures ?
@maka, @masukuma, could you weigh in on this debate.
What does the law say, I am sure the procedure is written somewhere in that constitution of ours. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:FRM2011 wrote:
Good morning gentlemen. Thought this matter deserves a thread of its own.
Much as am a NASA diehard, the escalation of tension over this matter doesn't sit well with me.
Can IEBC explain its rationale for appealing ? Give examples from 2013 where it was necessary to adjust inaccurate figures from constituencies.
Is there time to anchor in the elections act the circumstances under which IEBC can adjust figures ?
@maka, @masukuma, could you weigh in on this debate.
What does the law say, I am sure the procedure is written somewhere in that constitution of ours. From what I hear,the constitution says presidential elections are to be held at each & every constituency. That to me, would mean each & every constituency to report their presidential results to Hq for the chairman to announce the winner. Why iebc Hq wants to be able to make changes, I wouldn't know. Considering they will not have received all the voting materials by the time they make the announcement. @masukuma. Elimisha sisi.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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FRM2011 wrote:
Good morning gentlemen. Thought this matter deserves a thread of its own.
Much as am a NASA diehard, the escalation of tension over this matter doesn't sit well with me.
Can IEBC explain its rationale for appealing ? Give examples from 2013 where it was necessary to adjust inaccurate figures from constituencies.
Is there time to anchor in the elections act the circumstances under which IEBC can adjust figures ?
@maka, @masukuma, could you weigh in on this debate.
Constitution says IEBC shall 'tally and verify'. Methinks the election act should have defined 'verify' and circumstances under which iebc can make corrections. But not to worry, if status quo remains and NASA wins, this will be the very ground why the result will be nullified
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/1/2008 Posts: 1,098
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sheri wrote:FRM2011 wrote:
Good morning gentlemen. Thought this matter deserves a thread of its own.
Much as am a NASA diehard, the escalation of tension over this matter doesn't sit well with me.
Can IEBC explain its rationale for appealing ? Give examples from 2013 where it was necessary to adjust inaccurate figures from constituencies.
Is there time to anchor in the elections act the circumstances under which IEBC can adjust figures ?
@maka, @masukuma, could you weigh in on this debate.
@FRM2011 after yesterday's 10 Million strong rally, panic all over even my house help now want to go home and wait until the elections are over. Hata mimi listening to Muthama couldn't help but started to rethink about my strategy on disaster preparedness That how the rally was successful In 2007 every strong hold was stuffing ballot boxes. I think this will also apply in August this year and NASA has already set its target of 10M votes. Brace yourself for chaos
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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FRM2011 wrote:
Good morning gentlemen. Thought this matter deserves a thread of its own.
Much as am a NASA diehard, the escalation of tension over this matter doesn't sit well with me.
Can IEBC explain its rationale for appealing ? Give examples from 2013 where it was necessary to adjust inaccurate figures from constituencies.
Is there time to anchor in the elections act the circumstances under which IEBC can adjust figures ?
@maka, @masukuma, could you weigh in on this debate.
The Courts are responsible for interpreting the laws.Why agree with the verdict of one court but deny the other party the right to seek redress from another court? Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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limanika wrote:FRM2011 wrote:
Good morning gentlemen. Thought this matter deserves a thread of its own.
Much as am a NASA diehard, the escalation of tension over this matter doesn't sit well with me.
Can IEBC explain its rationale for appealing ? Give examples from 2013 where it was necessary to adjust inaccurate figures from constituencies.
Is there time to anchor in the elections act the circumstances under which IEBC can adjust figures ?
@maka, @masukuma, could you weigh in on this debate.
Constitution says IEBC shall 'tally and verify'. Methinks the election act should have defined 'verify' and circumstances under which iebc can make corrections. But not to worry, if status quo remains and NASA wins, this will be the very ground why the result will be nullified Ain't the returning officer at the constituency,part & parcel of IEBC? If not, who then is IEBC? If they follow what the law says, why will the results be nullified?
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When will they start sitting on tarmac? They should start the madness soonest
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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Rahatupu wrote:When will they start sitting on tarmac? They should start the madness soonest We are beyond sitting on tarmac now. There still is the supreme court. What we find worrying is seeing the concerted effort to revert to status quo. Don't IEBC have more pressing matters to attend to ? And we hear of attempts to cherry pick the bench to hear the matter.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Shak wrote:sheri wrote:FRM2011 wrote:
Good morning gentlemen. Thought this matter deserves a thread of its own.
Much as am a NASA diehard, the escalation of tension over this matter doesn't sit well with me.
Can IEBC explain its rationale for appealing ? Give examples from 2013 where it was necessary to adjust inaccurate figures from constituencies.
Is there time to anchor in the elections act the circumstances under which IEBC can adjust figures ?
@maka, @masukuma, could you weigh in on this debate.
@FRM2011 after yesterday's 10 Million strong rally, panic all over even my house help now want to go home and wait until the elections are over. Hata mimi listening to Muthama couldn't help but started to rethink about my strategy on disaster preparedness That how the rally was successful They were talking some nasty ish. Clearly they are determined to cause trouble Link? you cant have whatever results announced wherever as the final number, there has to be a central point where verification will be performed before final announcement. i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/22/2009 Posts: 2,449 Location: Africa
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harrydre wrote:Shak wrote:sheri wrote:FRM2011 wrote:
Good morning gentlemen. Thought this matter deserves a thread of its own.
Much as am a NASA diehard, the escalation of tension over this matter doesn't sit well with me.
Can IEBC explain its rationale for appealing ? Give examples from 2013 where it was necessary to adjust inaccurate figures from constituencies.
Is there time to anchor in the elections act the circumstances under which IEBC can adjust figures ?
@maka, @masukuma, could you weigh in on this debate.
@FRM2011 after yesterday's 10 Million strong rally, panic all over even my house help now want to go home and wait until the elections are over. Hata mimi listening to Muthama couldn't help but started to rethink about my strategy on disaster preparedness That how the rally was successful They were talking some nasty ish. Clearly they are determined to cause trouble Link? you cant have whatever results announced wherever as the final number, there has to be a central point where verification will be performed before final announcement. Just google NASA Nakuru rally
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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mkeiy wrote:limanika wrote:FRM2011 wrote:
Good morning gentlemen. Thought this matter deserves a thread of its own.
Much as am a NASA diehard, the escalation of tension over this matter doesn't sit well with me.
Can IEBC explain its rationale for appealing ? Give examples from 2013 where it was necessary to adjust inaccurate figures from constituencies.
Is there time to anchor in the elections act the circumstances under which IEBC can adjust figures ?
@maka, @masukuma, could you weigh in on this debate.
Constitution says IEBC shall 'tally and verify'. Methinks the election act should have defined 'verify' and circumstances under which iebc can make corrections. But not to worry, if status quo remains and NASA wins, this will be the very ground why the result will be nullified Ain't the returning officer at the constituency,part & parcel of IEBC? If not, who then is IEBC? If they follow what the law says, why will the results be nullified? We don't have a president in each constituency. That's why constituency RE's can't announce who the duly elected president. Iebc, whose authority is vested in the commissioners only can tally and verify. If they don't verify b4 announcing, then the result can be challenged. The constitution gives them mandate to verify the result.Any law or ruling to the contrary is a nullity in law
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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limanika wrote:mkeiy wrote:limanika wrote:FRM2011 wrote:
Good morning gentlemen. Thought this matter deserves a thread of its own.
Much as am a NASA diehard, the escalation of tension over this matter doesn't sit well with me.
Can IEBC explain its rationale for appealing ? Give examples from 2013 where it was necessary to adjust inaccurate figures from constituencies.
Is there time to anchor in the elections act the circumstances under which IEBC can adjust figures ?
@maka, @masukuma, could you weigh in on this debate.
Constitution says IEBC shall 'tally and verify'. Methinks the election act should have defined 'verify' and circumstances under which iebc can make corrections. But not to worry, if status quo remains and NASA wins, this will be the very ground why the result will be nullified Ain't the returning officer at the constituency,part & parcel of IEBC? If not, who then is IEBC? If they follow what the law says, why will the results be nullified? We don't have a president in each constituency. That's why constituency RE's can't announce who the duly elected president. Iebc, whose authority is vested in the commissioners only can tally and verify. If they don't verify b4 announcing, then the result can be challenged. The constitution gives them mandate to verify the result.Any law or ruling to the contrary is a nullity in law Define verify. Against which source documents will they verify the result? Isn't it the same form 34 filled and signed by the presiding officer at a polling station ? The same one read and announced at the polling station ? It's very simple. Presiding officers are usually local teachers. They know they are small fish. They have never agreed to election malpractices. Because they know they will easily be offered as sacrificial lambs. They have no godfathers to protect them. IEBC bosses on the other hand know they can get away with anything. Therein lies the rationale behind the current push to vary results. ION, shouldn't election rigging​ be a treasonable offence ?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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Am happy with the court ruling. I will ensure that the Mathioya RO announces 200K votes for Uhuru! Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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FRM2011 wrote:limanika wrote:mkeiy wrote:limanika wrote:FRM2011 wrote:
Good morning gentlemen. Thought this matter deserves a thread of its own.
Much as am a NASA diehard, the escalation of tension over this matter doesn't sit well with me.
Can IEBC explain its rationale for appealing ? Give examples from 2013 where it was necessary to adjust inaccurate figures from constituencies.
Is there time to anchor in the elections act the circumstances under which IEBC can adjust figures ?
@maka, @masukuma, could you weigh in on this debate.
Constitution says IEBC shall 'tally and verify'. Methinks the election act should have defined 'verify' and circumstances under which iebc can make corrections. But not to worry, if status quo remains and NASA wins, this will be the very ground why the result will be nullified Ain't the returning officer at the constituency,part & parcel of IEBC? If not, who then is IEBC? If they follow what the law says, why will the results be nullified? We don't have a president in each constituency. That's why constituency RE's can't announce who the duly elected president. Iebc, whose authority is vested in the commissioners only can tally and verify. If they don't verify b4 announcing, then the result can be challenged. The constitution gives them mandate to verify the result.Any law or ruling to the contrary is a nullity in law Define verify. Against which source documents will they verify the result? Isn't it the same form 34 filled and signed by the presiding officer at a polling station ? The same one read and announced at the polling station ? It's very simple. Presiding officers are usually local teachers. They know they are small fish. They have never agreed to election malpractices. Because they know they will easily be offered as sacrificial lambs. They have no godfathers to protect them. IEBC bosses on the other hand know they can get away with anything. Therein lies the rationale behind the current push to vary results. ION, shouldn't election rigging​ be a treasonable offence ? Verification: 1) iebc receives results from constituencies. 2) they check to confirm the number of valid votes in every polling station doesn't exceed registered voters. 3) They do arithmetic check to confirm constituency tally is correct. 4) in case of errors these are corrected (and records kept) b4 doing the national tally.
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