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KCB FY 2016 earnings flat +1%
Ebenyo
#21 Posted : Thursday, March 09, 2017 12:12:37 PM
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mulla wrote:
watesh wrote:
My analysis on interest income KCB Bank (assuming its the Kenyan unit from the statements provided)
Q1 2016 - 14.39
Q2 2016 - 14.43
Q3 2016 - 14.86
Q4 2016 - 12.5

As compared to 2015
Q1 2015 - 10.63
Q2 2015 - 11.89
Q3 2015 - 11.99
Q4 2015 - 14.2

Interest rate cap had an impact....a couple of billions gone. Through increased volumes kind of compensated. From this i can say Q1 2017 will be stagnant or drop....


Wah didn't think interest rate caps law would affect the banks so soon in Q4. Does KCB issue interim ama 3/= is first and final DVD?



First and final dividend.They dont pay interim dvd.
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bird_man
#22 Posted : Thursday, March 09, 2017 1:57:54 PM
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The 3bob is good.When is book closure and payout date?
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mlennyma
#23 Posted : Thursday, March 09, 2017 4:22:53 PM
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bird_man wrote:
The 3bob is good.When is book closure and payout date?

this is meant to hold the share price when they release a bad Q1
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obiero
#24 Posted : Thursday, March 09, 2017 4:27:23 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
bird_man wrote:
The 3bob is good.When is book closure and payout date?

this is meant to hold the share price when they release a bad Q1

Speculative post with no foundation

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mlennyma
#25 Posted : Thursday, March 09, 2017 4:50:39 PM
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obiero wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
bird_man wrote:
The 3bob is good.When is book closure and payout date?

this is meant to hold the share price when they release a bad Q1

Speculative post with no foundation

speculation is part of trading
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mamilli
#26 Posted : Thursday, March 09, 2017 5:30:54 PM
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bird_man wrote:
The 3bob is good.When is book closure and payout date?


Book closure April 24th,payout May 26th
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Sober
#27 Posted : Friday, March 10, 2017 8:34:21 AM
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mamilli wrote:
bird_man wrote:
The 3bob is good.When is book closure and payout date?


Book closure April 24th,payout May 26th


Let the rally continue.. 3 bob translates to about 10% gain considering the price is sub 30 bob after deducting the trading fees.
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#28 Posted : Saturday, March 11, 2017 4:39:33 PM
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Maybe big brother wants money for campaigns
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#29 Posted : Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:50:46 AM
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Aguytrying wrote:
Maybe big brother wants money for campaigns

Could this directive have come from above? Pay a large dividend coz GoK is broke as seen from the T-Bond auctions? I wonder if that directive will apply to KenRe coz a 1/- div (+25% yoy) will be sweet!
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Horton
#30 Posted : Sunday, March 12, 2017 12:09:25 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
Maybe big brother wants money for campaigns

Could this directive have come from above? Pay a large dividend coz GoK is broke as seen from the T-Bond auctions? I wonder if that directive will apply to KenRe coz a 1/- div (+25% yoy) will be sweet!



Too many hypotheticals just invest and sit back. The man u look up to (WB) doesnt bother about such hypotheticals.
VituVingiSana
#31 Posted : Sunday, March 12, 2017 3:46:39 PM
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Horton wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
Maybe big brother wants money for campaigns

Could this directive have come from above? Pay a large dividend coz GoK is broke as seen from the T-Bond auctions? I wonder if that directive will apply to KenRe coz a 1/- div (+25% yoy) will be sweet!



Too many hypotheticals just invest and sit back. The man u look up to (WB) doesnt bother about such hypotheticals.

True! But I want/prefer a large(r) dividend to reinvest those dividends. This year, it doesn't matter what corporate actions (dividends, bonuses, splits) are taken but the prices will remain stubbornly low. So a dividend of 0.75 or 2.00 will not move the price BUT for me a higher dividend means I can use the extra cash to add to my stash of KenRe shares. Barring any changes in management, I see a glorious future for KenRe from T-Bond interest!
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Ericsson
#32 Posted : Sunday, March 12, 2017 7:03:49 PM
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Biggest beneficiaries of KCB dividend all connected to Gok
Gok---17.7% or sh.1.55bn
NSSF---sh.678mn
Kenya Re also with 0.88% to get sh.80mn
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VituVingiSana
#33 Posted : Sunday, March 12, 2017 9:18:07 PM
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In 2017, the most "profitable" business for both banks & insurance firms will be investing in GoK paper. If we don't have PEV then buying (good) stocks in 2017 will pay off in 2018. It's a travesty that investing in GoK paper pays better on a risk-reward basis than biashara... 😢😢😢
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guru267
#34 Posted : Monday, March 13, 2017 2:07:27 AM
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CIC and KCB had PAT hit by net monetary losses... This looks likely to affect other players as well.... @VVS I just hope we at least get the same dividend on Kenre.
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VituVingiSana
#35 Posted : Monday, March 13, 2017 2:12:04 AM
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guru267 wrote:
CIC and KCB had PAT hit by net monetary losses... This looks likely to affect other players as well.... @VVS I just hope we at least get the same dividend on Kenre.

I think 1/- max for KenRe. They are conservative given expansion plans and IRA regs require substantial shareholder funds, reserves & cash equivalents. But I too wish for a higher dividend!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ericsson
#36 Posted : Monday, March 13, 2017 7:39:04 AM
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guru267 wrote:
CIC and KCB had PAT hit by net monetary losses... This looks likely to affect other players as well.... @VVS I just hope we at least get the same dividend on Kenre.

Monetary losses will be majorly for companies that have operations in south sudan e.g equity bank, cooperative bank, Britam, UAP
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lochaz-index
#37 Posted : Monday, March 13, 2017 9:17:40 AM
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guru267 wrote:
CIC and KCB had PAT hit by net monetary losses... This looks likely to affect other players as well.... @VVS I just hope we at least get the same dividend on Kenre.

Fx losses...they got fried by the SSP nosedive as intimated earlier for which they didn't book losses at FY2015, probably in anticipation that things would get better. So it translated into a bigger hit at FY2016.

Now that the monetary loss(net cash and cash equivalents) is taken care of, they still have to restate the carrying value of non-monetary items to reflect the recoverable/salvage value for the same and book the resultant loss. At that point the SS exorcism will be complete for KE banks.

At least Kcb have done half the job which can't be said for CFC. Equity and Coop should emulate the former or completely write down anything to do with SS.
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lochaz-index
#38 Posted : Monday, March 13, 2017 9:22:03 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
In 2017, the most "profitable" business for both banks & insurance firms will be investing in GoK paper. If we don't have PEV then buying (good) stocks in 2017 will pay off in 2018. It's a travesty that investing in GoK paper pays better on a risk-reward basis than biashara... 😢😢😢

Private sector has been in a choke hold courtesy of GoK binge borrowing and economic mismanagement. It won't be a quick recovery as most expect, this is one of those times things have to get worse before they get better if at all.
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VituVingiSana
#39 Posted : Monday, March 13, 2017 9:25:47 AM
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It's sad that a country with so much potential and resources has gone to the dogs. Seems SS was better off under (North) Sudan than under the thieving, war-loving generals they have. Interesting to note that while wananchi are dying in SS, the top officials' families are living it up in Kenya.
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watesh
#40 Posted : Monday, March 13, 2017 11:11:07 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
guru267 wrote:
CIC and KCB had PAT hit by net monetary losses... This looks likely to affect other players as well.... @VVS I just hope we at least get the same dividend on Kenre.

Monetary losses will be majorly for companies that have operations in south sudan e.g equity bank, cooperative bank, Britam, UAP

KCB will take the biggest hit....a large chunk of their subsidiary business is from SS. At least Equity went to DRC but even there election wars can break out anytime after Kabila postponed the event indefinitely
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