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AlphDoti wrote:Who has YouTube link to NTV PRESS.PASS on National Security session where Macharia said peace does not come out of a vacuum, but peace comes out of free and fair election... Our National Anthem says: JUSTICE IS OUR SHIELD AND DEFENDER. This is screenshot of the clip I received on WhatsApp: Context is crucial; So who decides if an election is free and fair? Certainly not a Kenyan politician who perennially claims he/she has been rigged out whenever they lose. Reflect on this calmly and objectively: Ever since you came of age, all across the Country - upcountry and Nairobi alike, in all elective positions – MCA/Concillor, MP, President - how many politicians have lost and not claimed that they were robbed of their win! Matiba did it, Kibaki did it. Even Kalonzo claimed his votes were stolen! But they never took us to war. Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Today I wondered why trucking yards in Mombasa are full, someone said that cargo owners have either already transported their wares or held off imports till after elections to see if we shall fight, so UG and SS plus so many other international businesses are preparing for a chaotic elections, could we please not fight this time. To Each His Own
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[quote=hardwood]So ambitho of infotrak conducted a poll in only 31 counties, mostly nasa, to give baba a 1% lead over ohuru. Meanwhile ipsos sampled all 47 counties and put ohuru ahead. Why should anyone with a brain take ambithos stupid poll seriously? http://www.the-star.co.k...-raila-support_c1602604[/quote]
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kayhara wrote:Today I wondered why trucking yards in Mombasa are full, someone said that cargo owners have either already transported their wares or held off imports till after elections to see if we shall fight, so UG and SS plus so many other international businesses are preparing for a chaotic elections, could we please not fight this time. I agree with you. Whoever wins is a Kenyan.
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kayhara wrote:Today I wondered why trucking yards in Mombasa are full, someone said that cargo owners have either already transported their wares or held off imports till after elections to see if we shall fight, so UG and SS plus so many other international businesses are preparing for a chaotic elections, could we please not fight this time. Baba has poisoned the country and therefore no one would want to have their truck out or goods being transported over the election period. If odm could not accept the results of their own party elections, nominations that they themselves conducted, where losers were declared winners, why do we expect them to accept results of any election?
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The reality is starting to dawn on many here, the overconfidence has been replaced with alarming and sensational claims about RAO and NASA's intention to create chaos. Lets all hope for a free, peaceful and fair election "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:The reality is starting to dawn on many here, the overconfidence has been replaced with alarming and sensational claims about RAO and NASA's intention to create chaos.
Lets all hope for a free, peaceful and fair election And what reality is that?..... What has brought it now?
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Liv wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:The reality is starting to dawn on many here, the overconfidence has been replaced with alarming and sensational claims about RAO and NASA's intention to create chaos.
Lets all hope for a free, peaceful and fair election And what reality is that?..... What has brought it now? Joshua is winning with 70%. Reality has settled in after Ambitho released poll
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Liv wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:The reality is starting to dawn on many here, the overconfidence has been replaced with alarming and sensational claims about RAO and NASA's intention to create chaos.
Lets all hope for a free, peaceful and fair election And what reality is that?..... What has brought it now? Its a coin toss, Uhuruto's body language and frantic campaigning says it all "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Liv wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:The reality is starting to dawn on many here, the overconfidence has been replaced with alarming and sensational claims about RAO and NASA's intention to create chaos.
Lets all hope for a free, peaceful and fair election And what reality is that?..... What has brought it now? Its a coin toss, Uhuruto's body language and frantic campaigning says it all It's only that ohuruto are young and full of energy unlike kibaki. Ohuru will win this election with a large margin. 61% vs 39%. Case closed. You can take that to the bank.
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:The reality is starting to dawn on many here, the overconfidence has been replaced with alarming and sensational claims about RAO and NASA's intention to create chaos.
Lets all hope for a free, peaceful and fair election Thank you @Obi. All the talk about violence and nusu-mkate is coming from Jubilee. To be honest, I am terrified. There is nothing as dangerous as a looting regime staring at a defeat. NASA is pushing for credible elections. But Jubilee is pushing for peace. Who is fighting ???? We can draw lessons from 2007. There were violent incidents in Kisumu a day or two before elections targeted at APs. Were they innocent ? Hell NO. Were APs mobilized to act as PNU agents ? YES. This was confirmed by none other than the then commandant of the Embakasi AP training school. He had to seek assylum in Germany. Was there violence on 27th ? 28th ? 29th ? 30th ?. Violence broke out on a large scale on 31st after ECK botched the election results. When NASA insisted on an exclusive electronic voter identification, Jubilee and IEBC said no. We must have a manual back-up as well. Yet this would check against suspicious turnouts even in NASA zones. I can say without fear Jubilee is scared of a credible election. And they should be. Don't preach peace. Nobody is fighting. Let us have a clean electoral process and everyone will be fine.
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FRM2011 wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:The reality is starting to dawn on many here, the overconfidence has been replaced with alarming and sensational claims about RAO and NASA's intention to create chaos.
Lets all hope for a free, peaceful and fair election Thank you @Obi. All the talk about violence and nusu-mkate is coming from Jubilee. To be honest, I am terrified. There is nothing as dangerous as a looting regime staring at a defeat. NASA is pushing for credible elections. But Jubilee is pushing for peace. Who is fighting ???? We can draw lessons from 2007. There were violent incidents in Kisumu a day or two before elections targeted at APs. Were they innocent ? Hell NO. Were APs mobilized to act as PNU agents ? YES. This was confirmed by none other than the then commandant of the Embakasi AP training school. He had to seek assylum in Germany. Was there violence on 27th ? 28th ? 29th ? 30th ?. Violence broke out on a large scale on 31st after ECK botched the election results. When NASA insisted on an exclusive electronic voter identification, Jubilee and IEBC said no. We must have a manual back-up as well. Yet this would check against suspicious turnouts even in NASA zones. I can say without fear Jubilee is scared of a credible election. And they should be. Don't preach peace. Nobody is fighting. Let us have a clean electoral process and everyone will be fine. Are these the same kits that failed in 2013? What if we never had a manual back up? http://www.npr.org/secti...early-lost-the-election
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hardwood wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:The reality is starting to dawn on many here, the overconfidence has been replaced with alarming and sensational claims about RAO and NASA's intention to create chaos.
Lets all hope for a free, peaceful and fair election Thank you @Obi. All the talk about violence and nusu-mkate is coming from Jubilee. To be honest, I am terrified. There is nothing as dangerous as a looting regime staring at a defeat. NASA is pushing for credible elections. But Jubilee is pushing for peace. Who is fighting ???? We can draw lessons from 2007. There were violent incidents in Kisumu a day or two before elections targeted at APs. Were they innocent ? Hell NO. Were APs mobilized to act as PNU agents ? YES. This was confirmed by none other than the then commandant of the Embakasi AP training school. He had to seek assylum in Germany. Was there violence on 27th ? 28th ? 29th ? 30th ?. Violence broke out on a large scale on 31st after ECK botched the election results. When NASA insisted on an exclusive electronic voter identification, Jubilee and IEBC said no. We must have a manual back-up as well. Yet this would check against suspicious turnouts even in NASA zones. I can say without fear Jubilee is scared of a credible election. And they should be. Don't preach peace. Nobody is fighting. Let us have a clean electoral process and everyone will be fine. Are these the same kits that failed in 2013? What if we never had a manual back up? http://www.npr.org/secti...early-lost-the-election
. How comes Ghana and Nigeria with much bigger voting population are capable of doing it ? Why do we have such a low standard for IEBC ? Kenya's elections are the most expensive in Africa on a cost per voter basis. Yet we are more than willing to give them a blank cheque for failing to deliver. We invest Kes 3.8B and we are okay to say the system will most likely fail. If the system fails in Siaya, can we trust the turnout figures given by IEBC ? Why not hold IEBC to account ? If the system fails, they should give us their resignation letters by 9th Aug 2017. And why is everyone in Jubilee rooting for a manual identification ?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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FRM2011 wrote:hardwood wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:The reality is starting to dawn on many here, the overconfidence has been replaced with alarming and sensational claims about RAO and NASA's intention to create chaos.
Lets all hope for a free, peaceful and fair election Thank you @Obi. All the talk about violence and nusu-mkate is coming from Jubilee. To be honest, I am terrified. There is nothing as dangerous as a looting regime staring at a defeat. NASA is pushing for credible elections. But Jubilee is pushing for peace. Who is fighting ???? We can draw lessons from 2007. There were violent incidents in Kisumu a day or two before elections targeted at APs. Were they innocent ? Hell NO. Were APs mobilized to act as PNU agents ? YES. This was confirmed by none other than the then commandant of the Embakasi AP training school. He had to seek assylum in Germany. Was there violence on 27th ? 28th ? 29th ? 30th ?. Violence broke out on a large scale on 31st after ECK botched the election results. When NASA insisted on an exclusive electronic voter identification, Jubilee and IEBC said no. We must have a manual back-up as well. Yet this would check against suspicious turnouts even in NASA zones. I can say without fear Jubilee is scared of a credible election. And they should be. Don't preach peace. Nobody is fighting. Let us have a clean electoral process and everyone will be fine. Are these the same kits that failed in 2013? What if we never had a manual back up? http://www.npr.org/secti...early-lost-the-election
. How comes Ghana and Nigeria with much bigger voting population are capable of doing it ? Why do we have such a low standard for IEBC ? Kenya's elections are the most expensive in Africa on a cost per voter basis. Yet we are more than willing to give them a blank cheque for failing to deliver. We invest Kes 3.8B and we are okay to say the system will most likely fail. If the system fails in Siaya, can we trust the turnout figures given by IEBC ? Why not hold IEBC to account ? If the system fails, they should give us their resignation letters by 9th Aug 2017. And why is everyone in Jubilee rooting for a manual identification ? Who cheated you that it worked in ghana and nigeria? http://mgafrica.com/arti...nd-why-it-doesnt-matter
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FRM2011 wrote:hardwood wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:The reality is starting to dawn on many here, the overconfidence has been replaced with alarming and sensational claims about RAO and NASA's intention to create chaos.
Lets all hope for a free, peaceful and fair election Thank you @Obi. All the talk about violence and nusu-mkate is coming from Jubilee. To be honest, I am terrified. There is nothing as dangerous as a looting regime staring at a defeat. NASA is pushing for credible elections. But Jubilee is pushing for peace. Who is fighting ???? We can draw lessons from 2007. There were violent incidents in Kisumu a day or two before elections targeted at APs. Were they innocent ? Hell NO. Were APs mobilized to act as PNU agents ? YES. This was confirmed by none other than the then commandant of the Embakasi AP training school. He had to seek assylum in Germany. Was there violence on 27th ? 28th ? 29th ? 30th ?. Violence broke out on a large scale on 31st after ECK botched the election results. When NASA insisted on an exclusive electronic voter identification, Jubilee and IEBC said no. We must have a manual back-up as well. Yet this would check against suspicious turnouts even in NASA zones. I can say without fear Jubilee is scared of a credible election. And they should be. Don't preach peace. Nobody is fighting. Let us have a clean electoral process and everyone will be fine. Are these the same kits that failed in 2013? What if we never had a manual back up? http://www.npr.org/secti...early-lost-the-election
. How comes Ghana and Nigeria with much bigger voting population are capable of doing it ? Why do we have such a low standard for IEBC ? Kenya's elections are the most expensive in Africa on a cost per voter basis. Yet we are more than willing to give them a blank cheque for failing to deliver. We invest Kes 3.8B and we are okay to say the system will most likely fail. If the system fails in Siaya, can we trust the turnout figures given by IEBC ? Why not hold IEBC to account ? If the system fails, they should give us their resignation letters by 9th Aug 2017. And why is everyone in Jubilee rooting for a manual identification ? Baba alisema democracy is expensive. "We" are ready to go to great lengths "to help him win".
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hardwood wrote:FRM2011 wrote:hardwood wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:The reality is starting to dawn on many here, the overconfidence has been replaced with alarming and sensational claims about RAO and NASA's intention to create chaos.
Lets all hope for a free, peaceful and fair election Thank you @Obi. All the talk about violence and nusu-mkate is coming from Jubilee. To be honest, I am terrified. There is nothing as dangerous as a looting regime staring at a defeat. NASA is pushing for credible elections. But Jubilee is pushing for peace. Who is fighting ???? We can draw lessons from 2007. There were violent incidents in Kisumu a day or two before elections targeted at APs. Were they innocent ? Hell NO. Were APs mobilized to act as PNU agents ? YES. This was confirmed by none other than the then commandant of the Embakasi AP training school. He had to seek assylum in Germany. Was there violence on 27th ? 28th ? 29th ? 30th ?. Violence broke out on a large scale on 31st after ECK botched the election results. When NASA insisted on an exclusive electronic voter identification, Jubilee and IEBC said no. We must have a manual back-up as well. Yet this would check against suspicious turnouts even in NASA zones. I can say without fear Jubilee is scared of a credible election. And they should be. Don't preach peace. Nobody is fighting. Let us have a clean electoral process and everyone will be fine. Are these the same kits that failed in 2013? What if we never had a manual back up? http://www.npr.org/secti...early-lost-the-election
. How comes Ghana and Nigeria with much bigger voting population are capable of doing it ? Why do we have such a low standard for IEBC ? Kenya's elections are the most expensive in Africa on a cost per voter basis. Yet we are more than willing to give them a blank cheque for failing to deliver. We invest Kes 3.8B and we are okay to say the system will most likely fail. If the system fails in Siaya, can we trust the turnout figures given by IEBC ? Why not hold IEBC to account ? If the system fails, they should give us their resignation letters by 9th Aug 2017. And why is everyone in Jubilee rooting for a manual identification ? Who cheated you that it worked in ghana and nigeria? http://mgafrica.com/arti...nd-why-it-doesnt-matter
. What’s particularly illuminating is that more mature democracies are moving away from electronic voting systems, mainly because of their vulnerability to glitches, and their opacity - the inability to conclusively verify that electronic votes or the software on machines have not been manipulated.The broader, systemic problem, however is that in much of Africa, the whole political system is perceived as a winner-takes-all route to quick riches, hence the viciously cutthroat nature of elections. In such a toxic, polarised environment, even if all the biometric readers failed, you would still be assured of a winner. The past is the past, you either run from it or learn from it!
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hardwood wrote:FRM2011 wrote:hardwood wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:The reality is starting to dawn on many here, the overconfidence has been replaced with alarming and sensational claims about RAO and NASA's intention to create chaos.
Lets all hope for a free, peaceful and fair election Thank you @Obi. All the talk about violence and nusu-mkate is coming from Jubilee. To be honest, I am terrified. There is nothing as dangerous as a looting regime staring at a defeat. NASA is pushing for credible elections. But Jubilee is pushing for peace. Who is fighting ???? We can draw lessons from 2007. There were violent incidents in Kisumu a day or two before elections targeted at APs. Were they innocent ? Hell NO. Were APs mobilized to act as PNU agents ? YES. This was confirmed by none other than the then commandant of the Embakasi AP training school. He had to seek assylum in Germany. Was there violence on 27th ? 28th ? 29th ? 30th ?. Violence broke out on a large scale on 31st after ECK botched the election results. When NASA insisted on an exclusive electronic voter identification, Jubilee and IEBC said no. We must have a manual back-up as well. Yet this would check against suspicious turnouts even in NASA zones. I can say without fear Jubilee is scared of a credible election. And they should be. Don't preach peace. Nobody is fighting. Let us have a clean electoral process and everyone will be fine. Are these the same kits that failed in 2013? What if we never had a manual back up? http://www.npr.org/secti...early-lost-the-election
. How comes Ghana and Nigeria with much bigger voting population are capable of doing it ? Why do we have such a low standard for IEBC ? Kenya's elections are the most expensive in Africa on a cost per voter basis. Yet we are more than willing to give them a blank cheque for failing to deliver. We invest Kes 3.8B and we are okay to say the system will most likely fail. If the system fails in Siaya, can we trust the turnout figures given by IEBC ? Why not hold IEBC to account ? If the system fails, they should give us their resignation letters by 9th Aug 2017. And why is everyone in Jubilee rooting for a manual identification ? Who cheated you that it worked in ghana and nigeria? http://mgafrica.com/arti...nd-why-it-doesnt-matter
. Wacha uongo boss !!!! The above article was written by Christine Mungai in reference to Ghana's 2012 election and Kenya's 2013. Supreme court in Ghana gave far-reaching recommendations to improve the credibility of the electoral process. BVR was one of those recommendations. Guess what, in 2016 Ghana's elections went on smoothly. BVR succeeded in identifying over 99% of voters. The few non-BVR voters are understandable. And the incumbent lost to the opposition. Am sure you know all this. If the process is free, fair and credible, Jubilee doesn't stand a chance.
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FRM2011 wrote:hardwood wrote:FRM2011 wrote:hardwood wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:The reality is starting to dawn on many here, the overconfidence has been replaced with alarming and sensational claims about RAO and NASA's intention to create chaos.
Lets all hope for a free, peaceful and fair election Thank you @Obi. All the talk about violence and nusu-mkate is coming from Jubilee. To be honest, I am terrified. There is nothing as dangerous as a looting regime staring at a defeat. NASA is pushing for credible elections. But Jubilee is pushing for peace. Who is fighting ???? We can draw lessons from 2007. There were violent incidents in Kisumu a day or two before elections targeted at APs. Were they innocent ? Hell NO. Were APs mobilized to act as PNU agents ? YES. This was confirmed by none other than the then commandant of the Embakasi AP training school. He had to seek assylum in Germany. Was there violence on 27th ? 28th ? 29th ? 30th ?. Violence broke out on a large scale on 31st after ECK botched the election results. When NASA insisted on an exclusive electronic voter identification, Jubilee and IEBC said no. We must have a manual back-up as well. Yet this would check against suspicious turnouts even in NASA zones. I can say without fear Jubilee is scared of a credible election. And they should be. Don't preach peace. Nobody is fighting. Let us have a clean electoral process and everyone will be fine. Are these the same kits that failed in 2013? What if we never had a manual back up? http://www.npr.org/secti...early-lost-the-election
. How comes Ghana and Nigeria with much bigger voting population are capable of doing it ? Why do we have such a low standard for IEBC ? Kenya's elections are the most expensive in Africa on a cost per voter basis. Yet we are more than willing to give them a blank cheque for failing to deliver. We invest Kes 3.8B and we are okay to say the system will most likely fail. If the system fails in Siaya, can we trust the turnout figures given by IEBC ? Why not hold IEBC to account ? If the system fails, they should give us their resignation letters by 9th Aug 2017. And why is everyone in Jubilee rooting for a manual identification ? Who cheated you that it worked in ghana and nigeria? http://mgafrica.com/arti...nd-why-it-doesnt-matter
. Wacha uongo boss !!!! The above article was written by Christine Mungai in reference to Ghana's 2012 election and Kenya's 2013. Supreme court in Ghana gave far-reaching recommendations to improve the credibility of the electoral process. BVR was one of those recommendations. Guess what, in 2016 Ghana's elections went on smoothly. BVR succeeded in identifying over 99% of voters. The few non-BVR voters are understandable. And the incumbent lost to the opposition. Am sure you know all this. If the process is free, fair and credible, Jubilee doesn't stand a chance. Is bvr therefore 'prerigged' against incumbency? I care!
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