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sparkly		#21 Posted : Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:44:33 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi		chiaroscuro wrote: obiero wrote: Lolest! wrote: cyruskulei wrote: chiaroscuro wrote: KQ is only good for the strategic investor who needs to hold it for broad strategic reason, not for profit any time in the near future! Govt-> needs to be in KQ to protect national interests; jobs pride etc. Govt is NOT a profit-making institution! KLM-> needs to remain in there because if they exit, a competitor will move in and enjoy the landing rights held by KQ. KLM doesn't expect to get any direct profit/dividends from KQ! The rest of us are joyriders! we add nothing and gain nothing from owning shares in this insolvent and illiquid junk share! Unless, of course you're there for entertainment value - adrenaline swings as the price swings up and down unpredictably! This thing is a roller coaster. Hehe. Even childbirth is difficult.. KCB is now reborn. No gain without pain. There are many people who have made cash off this counter and even more are on the way. BTW I was one of them. Bought at 6.95 and sold at 119! Then watched as it slid down to 70-to-50-to-40-----to-5! I might start buying again at one bob. It's just a matter of time! People who rode the 2002-2006 bull have good tales to tell. Market has been ruthless post 2008. Life is short. Live passionately.
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kayhara		#22 Posted : Wednesday, June 14, 2017 3:45:36 PM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/5/2011 Posts: 1,059		Someone was talking of KQ debt, how much does KENGEN owe? To Each His Own
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muandiwambeu		#23 Posted : Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:18:13 PM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/28/2015 Posts: 1,247		kayhara wrote: Someone was talking of KQ debt, how much does KENGEN owe? Debt is not a problem. The problem is debt cost and serviceability( i.e. liquidity, profitability of the business and moreso return on investment mirgins) kq got it all wrong ,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
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obiero		#24 Posted : Wednesday, June 14, 2017 7:08:40 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,475 Location: nairobi		muandiwambeu wrote: kayhara wrote: Someone was talking of KQ debt, how much does KENGEN owe? Debt is not a problem. The problem is debt cost and serviceability( i.e. liquidity, profitability of the business and moreso return on investment mirgins) kq got it all wrong KQ never got it wrong.. It's Naikuni that plundered HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
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chiaroscuro		#25 Posted : Thursday, June 15, 2017 8:14:37 AM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi		obiero wrote: muandiwambeu wrote: kayhara wrote: Someone was talking of KQ debt, how much does KENGEN owe? Debt is not a problem. The problem is debt cost and serviceability( i.e. liquidity, profitability of the business and moreso return on investment mirgins) kq got it all wrong KQ never got it wrong.. It's Naikuni that plundered Ngai! Obiero; what do you mean "KQ never got it wrong.. It's Naikuni that plundered"? Kwani a company can make decisions on its own? A company is just a piece of paper! A certificate of incorporation. And as we all know, papers have never been known to make decisions! Some one up this thread said they'd prefer KQ to KenGen because they trust Michael Joseph. When you buy into a company, you do so because of the people running it - you trust that they can make the right decisions to take full advantage of the environment in which it operates.
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chiaroscuro		#26 Posted : Thursday, June 15, 2017 8:58:17 AM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi		kayhara wrote: Someone was talking of KQ debt, how much does KENGEN owe? BEFORE getting into this business of shares, watu wajifunze kusoma balance sheet! There is no problem with having hundreds of billions of shillings in loans; the question is whether you have enough assets to cover these loans. The answer is found in the balance sheet under the title "Shareholders' funds" a.k.a. "net asset value" In the case of KQ it is a negative quantity. In other words, the loans (however small) are more than the assets! In the case of KenGen it is a positive quantity. In other words, the loans (however large) are less than the assets.
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chiaroscuro		#27 Posted : Monday, July 31, 2017 3:38:31 PM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi		Half way through the year, Kengen (8.45) is worth about twice KQ (4.35). An now I ask another question... RINK
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chiaroscuro		#28 Posted : Monday, August 14, 2017 2:30:13 PM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi		KenGen touched 10 bob today KQ's best of the day so far is 5.05
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obiero		#29 Posted : Monday, August 14, 2017 2:39:31 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,475 Location: nairobi		chiaroscuro wrote: KenGen touched 10 bob today KQ's best of the day so far is 5.05 Hold your horses.. Though KEGN rise is indeed amazing HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
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sparkly		#30 Posted : Friday, August 18, 2017 2:37:51 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi		obiero wrote: chiaroscuro wrote: KenGen touched 10 bob today KQ's best of the day so far is 5.05 Hold your horses.. Though KEGN rise is indeed amazing The indices are up 20% ytd. If your portifolio is doing worse iko shida. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Mkondoa Macho		#31 Posted : Friday, August 18, 2017 2:54:00 PM
Rank: New-farer Joined: 2/7/2016 Posts: 79 Location: Home		This is a no-brainer. Kengen any day. KQ is technically insolvent. Kengen made a profit in the last financial period. Is there any sane person who can justify buying KQ shares with concrete research to back it up? I will invest in KQ when their "turn-around" translate to solid results. Anything less is just buying hot air and stories from management. Until KQ turns a profit, I will not be interested.
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chiaroscuro		#32 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2019 1:38:55 PM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi		Tuendelee ama tusiendelee? KENGEN = 5.54 KQ = 2.50
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maka		#33 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2019 2:49:35 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi		chiaroscuro wrote: Tuendelee ama tusiendelee? KENGEN = 5.54 KQ = 2.50 Shida tupu.... possunt quia posse videntur
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