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Josephine Kabura
Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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A professional scapegoat. I really feel sorry for this lady. Watching her in the parliamentary probe is painful. She withdrew over Kshs. 1.6b in cash in different transactions in 3 months, paid for "goods" supplied to NYS, got no receipts, doesn't remember payee names, no transaction doc, nothing. No proof of anything. How do you help this human being now????
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/22/2009 Posts: 2,449 Location: Africa
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Why feel sorry for her? She made her bed. Let her lie in it
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 1/15/2010 Posts: 81
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'lie on it', not 'lay in it'.
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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chikonde wrote:'lie on it', not 'lay in it'. People watch different things on TV, some see the beauty of the present,others see the background pictures, others notice how the presenters are dressed, some notice the size of tv while others do not look at all but just listen to the content If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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By the way - someone illuminate something d me. is not attending a parliamentary committee hearing criminal? I know you can be summoned but do you have to go? Is it a judicial proceeding? When summoned and are called - do you have to answer? I guess you can remain quiet and not field any questions. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/26/2010 Posts: 124
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We need a Kenyan John Grisham to write real life sequels based on our corruption cases. She owns 20 sole proprietor companies! If the truth were to be laid bare, i wonder how many people would go to jail with her. Tired of mediocrity. Am going to the very top!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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RichVee wrote:We need a Kenyan John Grisham to write real life sequels based on our corruption cases. She owns 20 sole proprietor companies!
If the truth were to be laid bare, i wonder how many people would go to jail with her. What corruption are you talking about? This is another Raira gimmick. I remember fellows on this very forum screaming and cursing how Raila is just talking about corruption at NYS because Kibera has at last been modified. The same people are now writing how the health ministry is the imagination of chocho mendia and NTV. That is not a John Grisham book, that's a Steven King book. Where zombies walk around following the sound of the master. If the master says Raira, the zombies say "will never be president". Meanwhile the zombie king is drinking the blood of their children. Hiyo ni Steven King. Kind like the TV program The Strain. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,910
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masukuma wrote:By the way - someone illuminate something d me. is not attending a parliamentary committee hearing criminal? I know you can be summoned but do you have to go? Is it a judicial proceeding? When summoned and are called - do you have to answer? I guess you can remain quiet and not field any questions. I heard Hon  Gumbo quoting some powers their committee have which is equal to High Court Summons and directed Director of Criminal Investigations (or equivalent) to look for her and present her. If you lie ...... they can also use that against you to refer the matter for court proper. @maka can add !!!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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masukuma wrote:By the way - someone illuminate something d me. is not attending a parliamentary committee hearing criminal? I know you can be summoned but do you have to go? Is it a judicial proceeding? When summoned and are called - do you have to answer? I guess you can remain quiet and not field any questions. Yes it is a crime. Its like not going to court when given a judicial summon. Sheria wrote:
27. (1) A person commits an offence where the
person—
(a) having been duly summoned in terms of section 18
fails, without sufficient cause to—
(i) attend at the time and place specified in the
summons; or
(ii) remain in attendance until excused from
further attendance by the person presiding at
the inquiry;
(b) when called upon under section 18, refuses to be
sworn in or to make an affirmation as a witness; or
(c) fails or disobeys without sufficient cause to—
(i) answer fully and satisfactorily all questions
lawfully put to the person under section 18;
(ii) produce any document, paper, book or record
in the person’s possession, custody or control
which the person has been required to produce
under section 18.
(2) A person who commits an offence under
subsection
(1) is liable, on conviction, to a fine not
exceeding two hundred thousand shillings or to
imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to
both.
Even feigning ignorance is an offence. But why are people "feeling sorry"? She needs to produce everyone involved and stop acting. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:By the way - someone illuminate something d me. is not attending a parliamentary committee hearing criminal? I know you can be summoned but do you have to go? Is it a judicial proceeding? When summoned and are called - do you have to answer? I guess you can remain quiet and not field any questions. Yes it is a crime. Its like not going to court when given a judicial summon. Sheria wrote:
27. (1) A person commits an offence where the
person—
(a) having been duly summoned in terms of section 18
fails, without sufficient cause to—
(i) attend at the time and place specified in the
summons; or
(ii) remain in attendance until excused from
further attendance by the person presiding at
the inquiry;
(b) when called upon under section 18, refuses to be
sworn in or to make an affirmation as a witness; or
(c) fails or disobeys without sufficient cause to—
(i) answer fully and satisfactorily all questions
lawfully put to the person under section 18;
(ii) produce any document, paper, book or record
in the person’s possession, custody or control
which the person has been required to produce
under section 18.
(2) A person who commits an offence under
subsection
(1) is liable, on conviction, to a fine not
exceeding two hundred thousand shillings or to
imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to
both.
Even feigning ignorance is an offence. But why are people "feeling sorry"? She needs to produce everyone involved and stop acting. So many guys on wazua are guilty of this offence If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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what is the parliamentary committee supposed to achieve
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:what is the parliamentary committee supposed to achieve Justify the members sitting allowances "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:By the way - someone illuminate something d me. is not attending a parliamentary committee hearing criminal? I know you can be summoned but do you have to go? Is it a judicial proceeding? When summoned and are called - do you have to answer? I guess you can remain quiet and not field any questions. Yes it is a crime. Its like not going to court when given a judicial summon. Sheria wrote:
27. (1) A person commits an offence where the
person—
(a) having been duly summoned in terms of section 18
fails, without sufficient cause to—
(i) attend at the time and place specified in the
summons; or
(ii) remain in attendance until excused from
further attendance by the person presiding at
the inquiry;
(b) when called upon under section 18, refuses to be
sworn in or to make an affirmation as a witness; or
(c) fails or disobeys without sufficient cause to—
(i) answer fully and satisfactorily all questions
lawfully put to the person under section 18;
(ii) produce any document, paper, book or record
in the person’s possession, custody or control
which the person has been required to produce
under section 18.
(2) A person who commits an offence under
subsection
(1) is liable, on conviction, to a fine not
exceeding two hundred thousand shillings or to
imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to
both.
Even feigning ignorance is an offence. But why are people "feeling sorry"? She needs to produce everyone involved and stop acting. What is section 18? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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Si even in court you are not required to say anything - why would you incriminate yourself? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/21/2008 Posts: 2,490
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:what is the parliamentary committee supposed to achieve Justify the members sitting allowances Really?? The man who marries a beautiful woman, and the farmer who grows corn by the roadside have the same problem
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,910
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ZZE123 wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:what is the parliamentary committee supposed to achieve Justify the members sitting allowances Really?? Yap, what has any parliamentary committee even done for Kenyans?????????? In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Angelica _ann wrote:ZZE123 wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:what is the parliamentary committee supposed to achieve Justify the members sitting allowances Really?? Yap, what has any parliamentary committee even done for Kenyans?????????? E.X.A.C.T.L.Y! "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:By the way - someone illuminate something d me. is not attending a parliamentary committee hearing criminal? I know you can be summoned but do you have to go? Is it a judicial proceeding? When summoned and are called - do you have to answer? I guess you can remain quiet and not field any questions. Yes it is a crime. Its like not going to court when given a judicial summon. Sheria wrote:
27. (1) A person commits an offence where the
person—
(a) having been duly summoned in terms of section 18
fails, without sufficient cause to—
(i) attend at the time and place specified in the
summons; or
(ii) remain in attendance until excused from
further attendance by the person presiding at
the inquiry;
(b) when called upon under section 18, refuses to be
sworn in or to make an affirmation as a witness; or
(c) fails or disobeys without sufficient cause to—
(i) answer fully and satisfactorily all questions
lawfully put to the person under section 18;
(ii) produce any document, paper, book or record
in the person’s possession, custody or control
which the person has been required to produce
under section 18.
(2) A person who commits an offence under
subsection
(1) is liable, on conviction, to a fine not
exceeding two hundred thousand shillings or to
imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to
both.
Even feigning ignorance is an offence. But why are people "feeling sorry"? She needs to produce everyone involved and stop acting. What is section 18? Si even in court you are not required to say anything - why would you incriminate yourself? PARLIAMENTARY POWERS AND PRIVILEGES PART V—SUMMONING OF WITNESSES 18—Invitation and summoning of witnesses.You shouldn't say anything to police because they can use it against you. (Rem its you vs state). But summons where you take an oath, you are required to say nothing but the truth. If you fail to comply you are either a hostile witness or refractory witness "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:By the way - someone illuminate something d me. is not attending a parliamentary committee hearing criminal? I know you can be summoned but do you have to go? Is it a judicial proceeding? When summoned and are called - do you have to answer? I guess you can remain quiet and not field any questions. Yes it is a crime. Its like not going to court when given a judicial summon. Sheria wrote:
27. (1) A person commits an offence where the
person—
(a) having been duly summoned in terms of section 18
fails, without sufficient cause to—
(i) attend at the time and place specified in the
summons; or
(ii) remain in attendance until excused from
further attendance by the person presiding at
the inquiry;
(b) when called upon under section 18, refuses to be
sworn in or to make an affirmation as a witness; or
(c) fails or disobeys without sufficient cause to—
(i) answer fully and satisfactorily all questions
lawfully put to the person under section 18;
(ii) produce any document, paper, book or record
in the person’s possession, custody or control
which the person has been required to produce
under section 18.
(2) A person who commits an offence under
subsection
(1) is liable, on conviction, to a fine not
exceeding two hundred thousand shillings or to
imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to
both.
Even feigning ignorance is an offence. But why are people "feeling sorry"? She needs to produce everyone involved and stop acting. What is section 18? Si even in court you are not required to say anything - why would you incriminate yourself? PARLIAMENTARY POWERS AND PRIVILEGES PART V—SUMMONING OF WITNESSES 18—Invitation and summoning of witnesses.You shouldn't say anything to police because they can use it against you. (Rem its you vs state). But summons where you take an oath, you are required to say nothing but the truth. If you fail to comply you are either a hostile witness or refractory witness Can what you say before those committee be used against you in the courts, ama its just a court of public opinion where the worst that can happen to one is to poteza public face.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:ZZE123 wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:what is the parliamentary committee supposed to achieve Justify the members sitting allowances Really?? Yap, what has any parliamentary committee even done for Kenyans?????????? E.X.A.C.T.L.Y! I mean do they have some defined deliverables, if the committee is receiving allowance and not delivering what difference exists between them and the one they are accusing.
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