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Nakumatt: Another ailing Kenyan company
Kaigangio
#21 Posted : Friday, October 28, 2016 12:26:51 PM
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I see a familiar pattern...
Uchumi troubles...theft
Naivas troubles...theft
Nakumatt troubles...theft
...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
watesh
#22 Posted : Friday, October 28, 2016 12:43:28 PM
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Kaigangio wrote:
I see a familiar pattern...
Uchumi troubles...theft
Naivas troubles...theft
Nakumatt troubles...theft

Theft is the only reasonable explanation as to why they cant pay suppliers. If it was overstocking, they would have items on their shelves but they dont.
Their products are relatively higher priced than their competitors (bigger margins), their target customers has always been middle class and upward (higher spending), they have the best locations and widest reach.
Somebody has to be siphoning money out just like in Uchumi.
Pesa Nane
#23 Posted : Friday, October 28, 2016 1:04:19 PM
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Bigchick wrote:



They have overstock and end up with alot of dead stock.

Am also thinking the changes in the banking sector are beginning to bite.Banks have become tight with their overdrafts.Both to the supermarket and the suppliers.Banks have lines called Invoice Discounting which are now dying since the margins are low.The banks are also keen on who the Principle is on the Invoice and are not accepting some.That effectively grounds the supplier who is not paid by the Principle on delivery nor the bank advancing them working capital.

We clapped at Interest rates capping but me thinks kunaanza kuharibika.


Dead Stock?? More like stock that died!!

Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
Angelica _ann
#24 Posted : Friday, October 28, 2016 1:06:55 PM
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You see the difference, in Uganda you don't pay for supplies, they don't supply anymore, while in Kenya suppliers keep on supplying despite non payment. Sad
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MaichBlack
#25 Posted : Friday, October 28, 2016 1:35:09 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Is it a case of expansion really? Or more a case of diversion of cash offshore?


I think this is the closest theory to explain nakumatt's predicament.

I agree!!!

Nakumatt makes ridiculous margins on products, they don't build or buy premises - they lease, they get products on credit, their wage bill is below average - underpaid employees, they are a very popular brand - high number of (quality) customers etc. How the hell are they in the red??? Only siphoning makes sense!!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
MaichBlack
#26 Posted : Friday, October 28, 2016 2:29:43 PM
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Pesa Nane wrote:
Bigchick wrote:



They have overstock and end up with alot of dead stock.

Am also thinking the changes in the banking sector are beginning to bite.Banks have become tight with their overdrafts.Both to the supermarket and the suppliers.Banks have lines called Invoice Discounting which are now dying since the margins are low.The banks are also keen on who the Principle is on the Invoice and are not accepting some.That effectively grounds the supplier who is not paid by the Principle on delivery nor the bank advancing them working capital.

We clapped at Interest rates capping but me thinks kunaanza kuharibika.


Dead Stock?? More like stock that died!!


Hii ndio inaitagwa kuchoma picha!!!

Anyone who never knew the best scenario to use the phrase Kuchoma picha there you are!!!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
2012
#27 Posted : Friday, October 28, 2016 2:37:46 PM
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Nakumatt should be investigated. Something doesn't look, smell or sound right. It should be done quickly before they mess their unsuspecting suppliers like Uchumi.

BBI will solve it
:)
enyands
#28 Posted : Friday, October 28, 2016 2:49:23 PM
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Kaigangio wrote:
I see a familiar pattern...
Uchumi troubles...theft
Naivas troubles...theft
Nakumatt troubles...theft



We are thieves. We steal and as tax are stolen,taxes still rise everyday and stealing keep rising.

We sit down as resources are stolen. No one goes to put pressure on govt about stealing just corrupt mpigs.

Come election we align ourselves under tribal mushroom heads and cocoons. Welcome to Kenya ,our economy is growing at 6.5%

Nakumatt is a private company. No public interest in it just individual shareholders who should initiate the process. Has nothing to do with govt auditing unless govt has shares there
MaichBlack
#29 Posted : Friday, October 28, 2016 3:05:43 PM
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What is in the pipeline??? Nakumatt IPO. The company will be bled dry and then Kenyans will be sold a shell with a renowned brand name!!!

This has happened a number of times now. Founder members sell shares to the public, the bail and the price heads south very fast. Or the bleed the company through questionable deals then sell it to the public. The CMA is supposed to make sure that doesn't happen but most of the time they are dead asleep and/or clueless!!!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
mlennyma
#30 Posted : Friday, October 28, 2016 3:10:47 PM
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2012 wrote:
Nakumatt should be investigated. Something doesn't look, smell or sound right. It should be done quickly before they mess their unsuspecting suppliers like Uchumi.

Nakumatt is a private company,it doesn't have any tax payers money so no complainant,the suppliers must make noise to attract the attention of the state or they perish silently
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
MaichBlack
#31 Posted : Friday, October 28, 2016 3:16:33 PM
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enyands wrote:
Kaigangio wrote:
I see a familiar pattern...
Uchumi troubles...theft
Naivas troubles...theft
Nakumatt troubles...theft



We are thieves. We steal and as tax are stolen,taxes still rise everyday and stealing keep rising.

We sit down as resources are stolen. No one goes to put pressure on govt about stealing just corrupt mpigs.

Come election we align ourselves under tribal mushroom heads and cocoons. Welcome to Kenya ,our economy is growing at 6.5%

Nakumatt is a private company. No public interest in it just individual shareholders who should initiate the process. Has nothing to do with govt auditing unless govt has shares there

1) Nakumatt are planning to go public. The public will be screwed (future problem)

2) One way of avoiding taxes is engineering losses!! (past, present and future problem).

Nakumatt should be investigated urgently (now!) because of reason 2 and later because of reason 1.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
Intelligentsia
#32 Posted : Friday, October 28, 2016 3:17:40 PM
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Hii story ya tight cashflow ilianza zamani - causes being ukora, rapid aggressive expansion using short term funds (ODs) to finance long term expenditure. They have been expanding everywhere regionally - how has this been financed?
Its no secret they've been looking for a strategic partner for some time now to help with the financing buy it seems none has been forthcoming meaning the anticipated capital injection has not been forthcoming while bills are rising, and the retail market is shrinking due to mushrooming of all sorts of supermarkets from major ones to small ones in the estates.
Some cash must have gone to mitigate the operational disaster after disaster that visited heir branches - Westgate (alkefafu), Thika Rd (demolition), Ukay(flooding), Downtown (fire), etc that insurance compensatn may not have fully addressed.
All in all, siphoning appears the major culprit as well - Shahs are good in biz and smart enough to squirrel some cash elsewhere for a rainy day
MaichBlack
#33 Posted : Friday, October 28, 2016 3:18:21 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
2012 wrote:
Nakumatt should be investigated. Something doesn't look, smell or sound right. It should be done quickly before they mess their unsuspecting suppliers like Uchumi.

Nakumatt is a private company,it doesn't have any tax payers money so no complainant,the suppliers must make noise to attract the attention of the state or they perish silently

See post# 31.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
kaimbaga2012
#34 Posted : Friday, October 28, 2016 3:30:05 PM
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Some of the owners of Nakumatt are the same same people who were behind Charterhouse Bank. As far as am concerned the losses don't add up at all. This is a serious case of creative Accounting to evade tax or funds are being siphoned to offshore Accounts.
KulaRaha
#35 Posted : Friday, October 28, 2016 3:39:23 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
You see the difference, in Uganda you don't pay for supplies, they don't supply anymore, while in Kenya suppliers keep on supplying despite non payment. Sad


In Kenya, the logic is this: I must keep supplying because if I don't, they will buy elsewhere and never pay off my arrears.

Stupid logic, very stupid.

They will screw the next supplier as well, so don't worry, just stop supplying until they bring back the cash and pay you.

Technically, this is theft, is it not?
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
Pesa Nane
#36 Posted : Friday, October 28, 2016 4:54:06 PM
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Today is Tax Payers Day. Unto caesar....


Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
enyands
#37 Posted : Friday, October 28, 2016 6:16:30 PM
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Quick question why is opus dei silent these days .what happened to that guy?
murchr
#38 Posted : Friday, October 28, 2016 6:25:41 PM
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enyands wrote:
Quick question why is opus dei silent these days .what happened to that guy?


This is a private company.

Quick question.

Those claiming that its thieving....are the directors (owners of Nakumatt stealing from themselves)? Or the employees are stealing from Nakumatt?

Never play with debt...

BD April 2011 wrote:
Supermarket chain Nakumatt Holdings is set to open its first Tanzanian branch in two months, marking the retailer’s expansion into the fourth East African country.

In December, the Nakumatt chain had announced its intention to source a Sh1 billion, five-year syndicated loan from four commercial banks to finance its expansion even as they considered public listing.
Its 2016

Reuters 2014 wrote:
Jan 10 Kenyan retailer Nakumatt is in talks with South Africa's Shoprite to buy its three stores in Tanzania as it moves to secure a bigger share of a large, untapped market.

Retail is a red hot sector in Africa thanks to a consumer base of 1 billion people gaining increasing spending power from robust economic growth.


BD OCT 2015 wrote:
Nakumatt Supermarkets has taken loans from four commercial banks to finance its expansion plans, which recently saw it acquire a Western Kenya-based retail chain.

Atul Shah, Nakumatt managing director, Tuesday said Diamond Trust Bank,Standard Chartered, Kenya Commercial Bank and Bank of Africa helped to bankroll its recent acquisition of Yako Supermarkets.

Nakumatt received regulatory approval to acquire Yako’s three stores in Kakamega, Bungoma and Busia, stepping up competition for its rivals Tuskys, Naivas and Uchumi


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enyands
#39 Posted : Friday, October 28, 2016 6:32:13 PM
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murchr wrote:
enyands wrote:
Quick question why is opus dei silent these days .what happened to that guy?


This is a private company.

Quick question.

Those claiming that its thieving....are the directors (owners of Nakumatt stealing from themselves)? Or the employees are stealing from Nakumatt?

Never play with debt...

BD April 2011 wrote:
Supermarket chain Nakumatt Holdings is set to open its first Tanzanian branch in two months, marking the retailer’s expansion into the fourth East African country.

In December, the Nakumatt chain had announced its intention to source a Sh1 billion, five-year syndicated loan from four commercial banks to finance its expansion even as they considered public listing.
Its 2016

Reuters 2014 wrote:
Jan 10 Kenyan retailer Nakumatt is in talks with South Africa's Shoprite to buy its three stores in Tanzania as it moves to secure a bigger share of a large, untapped market.

Retail is a red hot sector in Africa thanks to a consumer base of 1 billion people gaining increasing spending power from robust economic growth.


BD OCT 2015 wrote:
Nakumatt Supermarkets has taken loans from four commercial banks to finance its expansion plans, which recently saw it acquire a Western Kenya-based retail chain.

Atul Shah, Nakumatt managing director, Tuesday said Diamond Trust Bank,Standard Chartered, Kenya Commercial Bank and Bank of Africa helped to bankroll its recent acquisition of Yako Supermarkets.

Nakumatt received regulatory approval to acquire Yako’s three stores in Kakamega, Bungoma and Busia, stepping up competition for its rivals Tuskys, Naivas and Uchumi





Murchir my question was on a different stand. smile had nothing to do with nakumatt. Just that bank related issues he is silent
MaichBlack
#40 Posted : Friday, October 28, 2016 7:41:04 PM
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enyands wrote:
Quick question why is opus dei silent these days .what happened to that guy?

I used to work somewhere where the "boss" would call a meeting to discuss certain issues. We would all do our research before the meetings. More often than not, he would hold different opinions from ours. After deliberations and everyone stating their case, our opinions would almost always carry the day and he would be "convinced" we should use our approach. Come the implementation phase, he would do exactly what he wanted in the first place and totally ignore what was agreed on in the meeting.

After he did this a couple of times EVERYONE stopped contributing in meetings. You should have seen the meetings. The guy talks alone and even starts calling people by name "So and so, what do you think?". Nothing!

May be the same is happening to Opus Dei!
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