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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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hardwood wrote:masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:AlphDoti wrote:@hardwood, is this about who has suffered more? Of course not. Others might have suffered, yes, maybe even much more, we sympathize and condemn the same. Their story has been told. I'm just re-telling our story...
Look here: 23 out of 100 of those slaves inside the ship would survive. So they made sure that the cost of those 23 slaves would pay for the whole shipment! Where did the other 77 slaves wind up? In the graveyard of the Atlantic Ocean.
So you take 70% of 180M over 400 years and they are all there in the bottom of the Atlantic. Cool 126 M! The other 23% were put in between Caribbean and America. I agree...  let me ask - if an Omondi/Garang/Mutesa/Karume/Tedese/Abdi/Chinedu/Bwalya/Kagame/Zulu/ e.t.c would have said the same - ungeBadili nia? Nope. Singebadili. Even us kenyans when we talk about our history we never talk about those we found here (e.g. the Athi, Gumba, dorobo etc) and "conquered" after we arrived from Congo forest and Sudan. We even claim to be the original humans and take tourists to see fossils of our ancestors and our prehistoric sites huko Turkana, olduvai and Kariandusi. When kaleos from North Rift talk about their history they never mention the Uasin Kishu maasai whose land they are occupying. i get it... i really do! but just because there is no one to complain on their behalf does not mean we should not complain on our behalf. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:AlphDoti wrote:@hardwood, is this about who has suffered more? Of course not. Others might have suffered, yes, maybe even much more, we sympathize and condemn the same. Their story has been told. I'm just re-telling our story...
Look here: 23 out of 100 of those slaves inside the ship would survive. So they made sure that the cost of those 23 slaves would pay for the whole shipment! Where did the other 77 slaves wind up? In the graveyard of the Atlantic Ocean.
So you take 70% of 180M over 400 years and they are all there in the bottom of the Atlantic. Cool 126 M! The other 23% were put in between Caribbean and America. I agree... let me ask - if an Omondi/Garang/Mutesa/Karume/Tedese/Abdi/Chinedu/Bwalya/Kagame/Zulu/ e.t.c would have said the same - ungeBadili nia? Nope. Singebadili. Even us kenyans when we talk about our history we never talk about those we found here (e.g. the Athi, Gumba, dorobo etc) and "conquered" after we arrived from Congo forest and Sudan. We even claim to be the original humans and take tourists to see fossils of our ancestors and our prehistoric sites huko Turkana, olduvai and Kariandusi. When kaleos from North Rift talk about their history they never mention the Uasin Kishu maasai whose land they are occupying. i get it... i really do! but just because there is no one to complain on their behalf does not mean we should not complain on our behalf. Infact the kaleos never conquered the maasai land, rather they were beneficiaries of the maasai/British land treaties. C&P The Uasin Gishu name comes from the Illwuasin-kishu Maasai clan. The land was the grazing area of the clan. They surrendered the land to the colonial government in the Anglo-Maasai agreement of 1911, and were subsequently pushed towards Trans Mara. The plateau that they once occupied was then registered in its Anglicised version, Uasin Gishu.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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It's all about who has more "firepower". The bigger the gun, spear, arrow poison, the more dominant you are.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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hardwood wrote:It's all about who has more "firepower". The bigger the gun, spear, arrow poison, the more dominant you are. it USED TO BE all about... All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:It's all about who has more "firepower". The bigger the gun, spear, arrow poison, the more dominant you are. it USED TO BE all about... Google 'birth of a nation 2016' a new movie on a slave who decided enough is enough and met fire with fire slaughtered trumps of then. Story was never told until now. i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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harrydre wrote:masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:It's all about who has more "firepower". The bigger the gun, spear, arrow poison, the more dominant you are. it USED TO BE all about... Google 'birth of a nation 2016' a new movie on a slave who decided enough is enough and met fire with fire slaughtered trumps of then. Story was never told until now.   All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,274 Location: Kenya
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Are we now turning against ourselves! Isn't Nairobi where you are originally Maasai land?
I mean, this is not the issue here, Africans were mainly "migrational"... it's our continent, the boundaries were not drawn by African but the colonialists... Who knows we could be living freely anywhere in Africa... different times different places...
But all that is gone.
Our task now is to learn from history, create new core leaders, visionary leaders. As the journalist Kwesi Pratt Junior said: Leaders who want to see Africa free, leaders who want to help Africans to develop confidence in themselves, in their culture, in the food they eat, in the way they dress, in the way they walk, in the way they talk.. Leaders who want to encourage Africans to take control of their resources. We need to engineer those new leaders. That is the task.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:Are we now turning against ourselves! Isn't Nairobi where you are originally Maasai land?
I mean, this is not the issue here, Africans were mainly "migrational"... it's our continent, the boundaries were not drawn by African but the colonialists... Who knows we could be living freely anywhere in Africa... different times different places...
But all that is gone.
Our task now is to learn from history, create new core leaders, visionary leaders. As the journalist Kwesi Pratt Junior said: Leaders who want to see Africa free, leaders who want to help Africans to develop confidence in themselves, in their culture, in the food they eat, in the way they dress, in the way they walk, in the way they talk.. Leaders who want to encourage Africans to take control of their resources. We need to engineer those new leaders. That is the task. I came across some curious territories Ceuta and Melilla, the two permanently inhabited Spanish territories in mainland Africa Ceuta  and Melilla  All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,274 Location: Kenya
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masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Are we now turning against ourselves! Isn't Nairobi where you are originally Maasai land?
I mean, this is not the issue here, Africans were mainly "migrational"... it's our continent, the boundaries were not drawn by African but the colonialists... Who knows we could be living freely anywhere in Africa... different times different places...
But all that is gone.
Our task now is to learn from history, create new core leaders, visionary leaders. As the journalist Kwesi Pratt Junior said: Leaders who want to see Africa free, leaders who want to help Africans to develop confidence in themselves, in their culture, in the food they eat, in the way they dress, in the way they walk, in the way they talk.. Leaders who want to encourage Africans to take control of their resources. We need to engineer those new leaders. That is the task. I came across some curious territories Ceuta and Melilla, the two permanently inhabited Spanish territories in mainland Africa Ceuta and Melilla Tell us more about this. I noticed the two are in Spain, so what if it is permanently inhabited Spanish territories?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Are we now turning against ourselves! Isn't Nairobi where you are originally Maasai land?
I mean, this is not the issue here, Africans were mainly "migrational"... it's our continent, the boundaries were not drawn by African but the colonialists... Who knows we could be living freely anywhere in Africa... different times different places...
But all that is gone.
Our task now is to learn from history, create new core leaders, visionary leaders. As the journalist Kwesi Pratt Junior said: Leaders who want to see Africa free, leaders who want to help Africans to develop confidence in themselves, in their culture, in the food they eat, in the way they dress, in the way they walk, in the way they talk.. Leaders who want to encourage Africans to take control of their resources. We need to engineer those new leaders. That is the task. I came across some curious territories Ceuta and Melilla, the two permanently inhabited Spanish territories in mainland Africa Ceuta and Melilla Tell us more about this. I noticed the two are in Spain, so what if it is permanently inhabited Spanish territories? Basically it's as the name suggests.... SPAIN IS IN AFRICA (some bit of it anyway). All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/17/2011 Posts: 627 Location: Mbui-Nzau, Kikumbulyu
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Ceuta na Melilla ni unga and pharmacists paradise...now after Brexit expect other enclaves ...say Nyanyuki..watamu...Diego Garcia or St.Helena to gain prominence
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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 Standing Ovation i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,979
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masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:Is goodness measured by success in this case? what do you think? it's successful if it stands the test of time  Time has no test. Only intelligent creatures can test. just a lesson in history! not interested in a winding debate with you on ideology or semantics on this thread... this is history. start a thread for those winding and tiring debates. What lesson in history? You're just getting touchy because you can't think. I agree @tycho derives pleasure by differing and complicating... to him, nothing can be discussed in simple terms. Always why not this way, why not that way... blah blah. Maybe I'm not able to grasp his gist, I accept I do not. What are the simple terms in this case? Is there a simple argument here that should be accepted at face value? Ok, @AlphDoti; Start by answering the questions above. @tycho, here is a simple case... You can twist it the way you want. Quote:Slowly fear spread trough the african elite, and none after the Guinea events ever found the courage to follow the example of Sékou Touré, whose slogan was “We prefer freedom in poverty to opulence in slavery.”
Sylvanus Olympio, the first president of the Republic of Togo, a tiny country in west Africa, found a middle ground solution with the French.He didn’t want his country to continue to be a french dominion, therefore he refused to sign the colonisation continuation pact De Gaule proposed, but agree to pay an annual debt to France for the so called benefits Togo got from french colonization.It was the only conditions for the French not to destroy the country before leaving. However, the amount estimated by France was so big that the reimbursement of the so called “colonial debt” was close to 40% of the country budget in 1963.
The financial situation of the newly independent Togo was very unstable, so in order to get out the situation, Olympio decided to get out the french colonial money FCFA (the franc for french african colonies), and issue the county own currency.
On January 13, 1963, three days after he started printing his country own currency, a squad of illiterate soldiers backed by France killed the first elected president of newly independent Africa. Olympio was killed by an ex French Foreign Legionnaire army sergeant called Etienne Gnassingbe who supposedly received a bounty of $612 from the local French embassy for the hit man job.
Olympio’s dream was to build an independent and self-sufficient and self-reliant country. But the French didn’t like the idea.
On June 30, 1962, Modiba Keita , the first president of the Republic of Mali, decided to withdraw from the french colonial currency FCFA which was imposed on 12 newly independent African countries. For the Malian president, who was leaning more to a socialist economy, it was clear that colonisation continuation pact with France was a trap, a burden for the country development.
On November 19, 1968, like, Olympio, Keita will be the victim of a coup carried out by another ex French Foreign legionnaire, the Lieutenant Moussa Traoré.
In fact during that turbulent period of African fighting to liberate themselves from European colonization, France would repeatedly use many ex Foreign legionnaires to carry out coups against elected presidents... what about the colonial taxes? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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wanyee wrote:Ceuta na Melilla ni unga and pharmacists paradise...now after Brexit expect other enclaves ...say Nyanyuki..watamu...Diego Garcia or St.Helena to gain prominence There is Chemistry in Nanyuki?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Are we now turning against ourselves! Isn't Nairobi where you are originally Maasai land?
I mean, this is not the issue here, Africans were mainly "migrational"... it's our continent, the boundaries were not drawn by African but the colonialists... Who knows we could be living freely anywhere in Africa... different times different places...
But all that is gone.
Our task now is to learn from history, create new core leaders, visionary leaders. As the journalist Kwesi Pratt Junior said: Leaders who want to see Africa free, leaders who want to help Africans to develop confidence in themselves, in their culture, in the food they eat, in the way they dress, in the way they walk, in the way they talk.. Leaders who want to encourage Africans to take control of their resources. We need to engineer those new leaders. That is the task. I came across some curious territories Ceuta and Melilla, the two permanently inhabited Spanish territories in mainland Africa Ceuta and Melilla There's Mayotte too off East Africa coast near Comoros. It's part of France
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