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AlphDoti
#41 Posted : Wednesday, September 28, 2016 5:36:21 PM
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It was terrorism Inside Africa!

What they did inside Congo, inside Africa, what they did in South Africa, the Boers from Germany who systematically slaughtered and displaced and enslaved 39,000,000 (39M) people. And held that position in what was known as the Apartheid. And the world, the United Nations accepted it all the way until few years.

Aprtheid became acceptable form of Governance in the world. And how did it come about? The act of inflicting, of systematic attacks, and assaults upon individuals and places within human population with the purpose of instilling fear and tremour. What was that definition? TERRORISM

What about Australia as mentioned by @jokes? Those people they think they are natives. Read the history. From Sydney, 50 miles in any direction, you'll find a settlement of natives who are called "Aboriginal". Very nice complicated word.

They are the people who owned this land and have more right to the land of Australia than anyone else (according to provisions of God). Not provisions of United Nations. Not provisions of those who went there and displaced them systematically and replaced them.
AlphDoti
#42 Posted : Wednesday, September 28, 2016 5:42:37 PM
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Today, the Aboriginal are pitiful people Sad Pray

And they blame them now, they whites say: "they drink blood all day", "they shoot drugs all day," "they are ignorant, they are dirty," "they are lazy, they don't want to change their condition", "The opportunity is there for them like everyone else, but they don't want to change.", "And so since they don't want to change, they obviously deserve their condition.", "They don't have to blame anyone but themselves."

This is what we are taught! How can some people who have been systematically attacked, tremortised, their dignity, ripped out of them! What do you expect of them!
AlphDoti
#43 Posted : Wednesday, September 28, 2016 5:53:27 PM
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If anyone dares and study what has happened to these Aboriginals (and people of Congo and negroid at large) you'll cry if you have any feelings inside of you.

On the Aboriginal, how many of them were displaced? Whooping 16,000,000 (16M). What is the definition of that? And what was that definition before Uncle Sam president changed the meaning in the last 3 decades? TERRORISM
jokes
#44 Posted : Wednesday, September 28, 2016 5:54:09 PM
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This is true alpha. If you want to destroy a society destroy the customs beliefs and way of life.
This happened to the American indians and these days they drink , shoot drugs and are a lost race.
AlphDoti
#45 Posted : Thursday, September 29, 2016 11:14:07 AM
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We can engage a bit historically...

Do you remember the invasion of South America by Spanish and Portuguese in 18th century? They slaughtered, systematically, distablised and eliminated 56,000,000 (56M people) in order to take control of that continent. And they are still holding that continent until today. How did they do it? After Christopher Columbus came back, and claimed that land for his Spanish King Fardinand & wife Isabela, they sent more ships. And within 150 years, they distablished, massacred, killed, liquidated, eliminated, 89,000,000 (89M) native Indians (as they call them Red Indians) to take control of what they call the new world. And what did they do? They inflicted systematic attacks and assaults, with their weapons and their ships, within human population. And what do you call this?
madhaquer
#46 Posted : Friday, September 30, 2016 4:55:38 PM
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This video captures those sentiments perfectly. Just listen to that supremacist this is a reality even today.

I don't think things will change in our lifetime. Probably not even in our kid's lifetime. The language may change but discrimination of one form or another will still be there.

https://youtu.be/-I52WMMny4w
tycho
#47 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2016 12:02:26 PM
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@Alph Doti, I'm touched by the stories you've shared with us, and the revolutionary recommendations you make.

Because that was a response to my questions, I'll try to simplify your answer in terms of my questions.

You believe that it's a simple and clear fact, that Africans have been deliberately 'terrorized' and enslaved by 'Whites' or all non-Africans. And that left to themselves, Africans are capable of having an ideal life of freedom, under a socialist system.

Your argument may imply that the African is a special kind of human immune from the proclivities of the 'Whites'. A 'we' versus 'them' kind of mentality...

Now my questions are; how true is this argument? How was it formed?

Think about your prescription: how critical is it? Think about how socialism is faring in Europe... would socialism suffice in our times?

To me these are very contentious issues that ask us to go beyond our sensibilities. The attitudes expressed here so far, only serve to entrench the oppressive system we are crying about. Why? Because they veer away from the truly significant issues.

tycho
#48 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2016 12:06:02 PM
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jokes wrote:
Yet they found us and continued where they left off.

Sometimes i wish our Black histoirans could write an history of all our black race in the world and find out the causes and effects of why we found ourselves in such a sorry state of affairs.

Maybe then we can find solutions to what has beeen ailing us for so long.


What if Obama is such a historian? What you're asking is right in front of your eyes, but you can't see.

The problem is your sight.
masukuma
#49 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2016 12:28:15 PM
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AlphDoti
#50 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2016 12:32:30 PM
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@tycho, I think you're trying to chew too big a bite. You must bit what you can chew. it's baby steps bro. First educate, educate. Make the African understand his history first...
tycho
#51 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2016 1:29:52 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
@tycho, I think you're trying to chew too big a bite. You must bit what you can chew. it's baby steps bro. First educate, educate. Make the African understand his history first...


And in this 'education' you believe you have the necessary facts that gives you the burden to educate.

I realize that there are probably many here who'd prefer to feel like they are doing the public a favor by expressing their opinions without them being probed; and that their best defense is to attack @tycho to distract from the main course of argument. And these same tactics are carried out in the name of 'mass education'.



AlphDoti
#52 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2016 3:46:09 PM
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tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
@tycho, I think you're trying to chew too big a bite. You must bit what you can chew. it's baby steps bro. First educate, educate. Make the African understand his history first...

And in this 'education' you believe you have the necessary facts that gives you the burden to educate.

I realize that there are probably many here who'd prefer to feel like they are doing the public a favor by expressing their opinions without them being probed; and that their best defense is to attack @tycho to distract from the main course of argument. And these same tactics are carried out in the name of 'mass education'.

Yes, those are facts. Have you seen anything we have posted that is fiction?
AlphDoti
#53 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2016 3:52:07 PM
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@tycho does not like history... Anyhow, let us move back to the land called Africa.

After Christopher Columbus and occupation of America, they knew that their own people, their own population could not do the work necessary to build up that country. They needed another workforce...

And so along with the British, and the Dutch, and the French, and the Spanish, the Americans Concocted a deal. They said: let's make boats, whiskey and guns and we can barter and trade and we can go to Africa and take those dark skin, black heathen, put them in boats, bring them to Europe, to America in what was called the triangle trade.

And so for 400 years, they willfully trafficked human cargo, and they took from Africa 180,000,000 (180M) people. Like dogs and rats, putting them in the bottom of ships, and keeping them there for 3 or 4 months for that triangle trade to complete.
hardwood
#54 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2016 3:55:13 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
If anyone dares and study what has happened to these Aboriginals (and people of Congo and negroid at large) you'll cry if you have any feelings inside of you.

On the Aboriginal, how many of them were displaced? Whooping 16,000,000 (16M). What is the definition of that? And what was that definition before Uncle Sam president changed the meaning in the last 3 decades? TERRORISM


Shouldn't we also cry for the Englishmen who were invaded and enslaved by the Romans in 43AD?

or the Scots, welsh and Irish who were conquered by the english and are still annexed to england (as Britain/UK) upto to today?

Or the vikings pillaging western and eastern europe in the middle ages.

Or the europeans eg Spanish, Portuguese etc who were invaded and taken as slaves by the Ottoman arabs during the Ottoman empire?

Or the polish, slovaks, dutch who were massacred and occupied by germans?

Or the Koreans who were invaded and colonized by the japanese?

Or the Chinese who underwent terrible massacres and mistreatment by the japanese?

Or the original peoples of the Caribbean eg the Arawak, Taino who were massacred and then "hard working" Africans shipped to their land as slaves, and the freed Africans later took their land eg in jamaica, haiti etc?

Or the jews who were massacred by the germans as recently as less than 100yrs ago?

Or the 60m europeans who were killed in WWII?

Also Jews vs Palestinians in the recent past?

My point is that humans have been brutal throughout history and so we cant say that "negroids" as you call them have suffered more than any other race. Also just like europeans (whites) and asians (browns), Africans (blacks) are not one homogeneous people and we have had our share of african tribal wars just like there have been brutal wars among european and asian tribes (they prefer to call them nations not tribes). FYI the largest source of african slaves was from african tribal wars where the defeated and captured individuals were sold off by the victorious african tribal chiefs to European slave merchants.
AlphDoti
#55 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2016 4:04:10 PM
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@hardwood, is this about who has suffered more? Of course not. Others might have suffered, yes, maybe even much more, we sympathize and condemn the same. Their story has been told. I'm just re-telling our story...

Look here: 23 out of 100 of those slaves inside the ship would survive. So they made sure that the cost of those 23 slaves would pay for the whole shipment! Where did the other 77 slaves wind up? In the graveyard of the Atlantic Ocean.

So you take 70% of 180M over 400 years and they are all there in the bottom of the Atlantic. Cool 126 M! The other 23% were put in between Caribbean and America.
masukuma
#56 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2016 4:13:27 PM
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hardwood wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
If anyone dares and study what has happened to these Aboriginals (and people of Congo and negroid at large) you'll cry if you have any feelings inside of you.

On the Aboriginal, how many of them were displaced? Whooping 16,000,000 (16M). What is the definition of that? And what was that definition before Uncle Sam president changed the meaning in the last 3 decades? TERRORISM


Shouldn't we also cry for the Englishmen who were invaded and enslaved by the Romans in 43AD?

or the Scots, welsh and Irish who were conquered by the english and are still annexed to england (as Britain/UK) upto to today?

Or the vikings pillaging western and eastern europe in the middle ages.

Or the europeans eg Spanish, Portuguese etc who were invaded and taken as slaves by the Ottoman arabs during the Ottoman empire?

Or the polish, slovaks, dutch who were massacred and occupied by germans?

Or the Koreans who were invaded and colonized by the japanese?

Or the Chinese who underwent terrible massacres and mistreatment by the japanese?

Or the original peoples of the Caribbean eg the Arawak, Taino who were massacred and then "hard working" Africans shipped to their land as slaves, and the freed Africans later took their land eg in jamaica, haiti etc?

Or the jews who were massacred by the germans as recently as less than 100yrs ago?

Or the 60m europeans who were killed in WWII?

Also Jews vs Palestinians in the recent past?

My point is that humans have been brutal throughout history and so we cant say that "negroids" as you call them have suffered more than any other race. Also just like europeans (whites) and asians (browns), Africans (blacks) are not one homogeneous people and we have had our share of african tribal wars just like there have been brutal wars among european and asian tribes (they prefer to call them nations not tribes). FYI the largest source of african slaves was from african tribal wars where the defeated and captured individuals were sold off by the victorious african tribal chiefs to European slave merchants.

it's really true... I said here before - humans were very brutish in times gone by. Humans have been killing each other over the place.... the difference is that you don't hear jews rubbishing their killing. or Chinese justifying the killing of their population by Japanese or the Scot/Irish e.t.c. justifying the killings of their kin by the english men. What we hear is the annoying sounds of uncle toms whose kin were killed justifying the killings of their masters and justifying the resulting economic inequality and rigged game that resulted from that killing. And even if others didn't complain - your pain is your own. your fate is your own. We don't need to have others agree with us on our past so that it can be legitimate NO!! your troubles are not a democracy.... they are yours.
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hardwood
#57 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2016 4:41:31 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
@hardwood, is this about who has suffered more? Of course not. Others might have suffered, yes, maybe even much more, we sympathize and condemn the same. Their story has been told. I'm just re-telling our story...

Look here: 23 out of 100 of those slaves inside the ship would survive. So they made sure that the cost of those 23 slaves would pay for the whole shipment! Where did the other 77 slaves wind up? In the graveyard of the Atlantic Ocean.

So you take 70% of 180M over 400 years and they are all there in the bottom of the Atlantic. Cool 126 M! The other 23% were put in between Caribbean and America.


I agree...

masukuma
#58 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2016 4:48:10 PM
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hardwood wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
@hardwood, is this about who has suffered more? Of course not. Others might have suffered, yes, maybe even much more, we sympathize and condemn the same. Their story has been told. I'm just re-telling our story...

Look here: 23 out of 100 of those slaves inside the ship would survive. So they made sure that the cost of those 23 slaves would pay for the whole shipment! Where did the other 77 slaves wind up? In the graveyard of the Atlantic Ocean.

So you take 70% of 180M over 400 years and they are all there in the bottom of the Atlantic. Cool 126 M! The other 23% were put in between Caribbean and America.


I agree...


let me ask - if an Omondi/Garang/Mutesa/Karume/Tedese/Abdi/Chinedu/Bwalya/Kagame/Zulu/ e.t.c would have said the same - ungeBadili nia?
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AlphDoti
#59 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2016 5:23:51 PM
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hardwood
#60 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2016 7:21:28 PM
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masukuma wrote:
hardwood wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
@hardwood, is this about who has suffered more? Of course not. Others might have suffered, yes, maybe even much more, we sympathize and condemn the same. Their story has been told. I'm just re-telling our story...

Look here: 23 out of 100 of those slaves inside the ship would survive. So they made sure that the cost of those 23 slaves would pay for the whole shipment! Where did the other 77 slaves wind up? In the graveyard of the Atlantic Ocean.

So you take 70% of 180M over 400 years and they are all there in the bottom of the Atlantic. Cool 126 M! The other 23% were put in between Caribbean and America.


I agree...


let me ask - if an Omondi/Garang/Mutesa/Karume/Tedese/Abdi/Chinedu/Bwalya/Kagame/Zulu/ e.t.c would have said the same - ungeBadili nia?

Nope. Singebadili. Even us kenyans when we talk about our history we never talk about those we found here and "conquered" (e.g. the Athi, Gumba, dorobo etc) and after we arrived from Congo forest and Sudan. We even claim to be the original humans and take tourists to see fossils of "our ancestors" and also our prehistoric sites huko Turkana, olduvai and Kariandusi. When kaleos from North Rift talk about their history they never mention the Uasin Kishu maasai whose land they are occupying.
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