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Centum's Mworia is highest paid CEO
researchfirst
#21 Posted : Monday, September 19, 2016 7:45:45 PM
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Jon Jones wrote:
Mworia is an apprentice corporate mercenary, learning from the legendary Chris Kirubi. When they are done with Centum, there will be nothing left to salvage. Why doesn't Mworia and other employees get paid in shares? What do they know that would make them not receive their bonuses in shares? Why would a company pay out over 1 billion in salaries and bonuses and pay just 665 million in 8 years in dividends? It is obvious that employees are gaining more than shareholders which should never be the case.


Because their stated goal was capital gain and the compensation plan was structured to reward just that (see pg 114 of the annual report). Centum has been up-front and consistent with how they pay. If you don't like it: (a) don't invest, (b) go to the AGM and speak against it, or (c) buy a controlling stake and change the policy.

As for your first statement, Kirubi is the largest shareholder of the company and Mworia is in the top 10. Why would they run a company that they largely own into the ground? If they were going to do that, they wouldn't keep acquiring larger and larger stakes.
Ericsson
#22 Posted : Monday, September 19, 2016 8:16:09 PM
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@researchfirst
If Jonathan Ciano was top 10 shareholder at Uchumi.
That didn't stop him from razing it to the ground
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Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
The Great
#23 Posted : Monday, September 19, 2016 8:50:51 PM
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You see a problem with this in Centum but not Kengen?
"Buy when there's blood in the streets, even if the blood is your own."
researchfirst
#24 Posted : Monday, September 19, 2016 9:38:01 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
@researchfirst
If Jonathan Ciano was top 10 shareholder at Uchumi.
That didn't stop him from razing it to the ground


@ericsson
Ciano was never anywhere near the top 10. The last report I saw, Ciano had 336,179 of Uchumi's 364,959,616 shares outstanding. That's 0.09%. I bet there are wazuans that have more skin in the game than he did. Out of Centum's 665,441,775 shares, Kirubi has 188,416,312 shares directly (28.31%) and another 10,436,278 shares (1.57%) through another company. Mworia has 4,356,994 (0.65%). Apples and oranges, my friend. If they raze Centum, they cost themselves real money.
Ericsson
#25 Posted : Tuesday, September 20, 2016 1:43:37 AM
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@The Great
Where is the problem in kengen

@researchfirst
When the company starts going south and the major investors who you are talking about here (Chris Kirubi and James Mworia) dump their shares you wouldn't know.
By the time you will be knowing it will be too late and the shares will be worthless.
Owning the shares is not a problem; problem is asset stripping through fictitious targets and ripping off shareholders.
Compare centum and safaricom.
Safaricom is zero debt, centum debt in excess of 17bn.
Return to shareholders incomparable
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
sparkly
#26 Posted : Tuesday, September 20, 2016 4:42:31 AM
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researchfirst wrote:
Jon Jones wrote:
Mworia is an apprentice corporate mercenary, learning from the legendary Chris Kirubi. When they are done with Centum, there will be nothing left to salvage. Why doesn't Mworia and other employees get paid in shares? What do they know that would make them not receive their bonuses in shares? Why would a company pay out over 1 billion in salaries and bonuses and pay just 665 million in 8 years in dividends? It is obvious that employees are gaining more than shareholders which should never be the case.


Because their stated goal was capital gain and the compensation plan was structured to reward just that (see pg 114 of the annual report). Centum has been up-front and consistent with how they pay. If you don't like it: (a) don't invest, (b) go to the AGM and speak against it, or (c) buy a controlling stake and change the policy.

As for your first statement, Kirubi is the largest shareholder of the company and Mworia is in the top 10. Why would they run a company that they largely own into the ground? If they were going to do that, they wouldn't keep acquiring larger and larger stakes.


Your defence of Centum is very emotional. declare your interest.
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#27 Posted : Tuesday, September 20, 2016 7:10:26 AM
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Jon Jones wrote:
Mworia is an apprentice corporate mercenary, learning from the legendary Chris Kirubi. When they are done with Centum, there will be nothing left to salvage. Why doesn't Mworia and other employees get paid in shares? What do they know that would make them not receive their bonuses in shares? Why would a company pay out over 1 billion in salaries and bonuses and pay just 665 million in 8 years in dividends? It is obvious that employees are gaining more than shareholders which should never be the case.

Didn't Mworia use that money to buy Centum shares?
http://www.businessdaily...4/-/fkv6cp/-/index.html
"Centum’s chief executive James Mworia has acquired four million shares worth Sh207.4 million in the investment company, breaking into the list of the firm’s top 10 shareholders."
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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#28 Posted : Tuesday, September 20, 2016 7:26:14 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Jon Jones wrote:
Mworia is an apprentice corporate mercenary, learning from the legendary Chris Kirubi. When they are done with Centum, there will be nothing left to salvage. Why doesn't Mworia and other employees get paid in shares? What do they know that would make them not receive their bonuses in shares? Why would a company pay out over 1 billion in salaries and bonuses and pay just 665 million in 8 years in dividends? It is obvious that employees are gaining more than shareholders which should never be the case.

Didn't Mworia use that money to buy Centum shares?
http://www.businessdaily...4/-/fkv6cp/-/index.html
"Centum’s chief executive James Mworia has acquired four million shares worth Sh207.4 million in the investment company, breaking into the list of the firm’s top 10 shareholders."


The figures match. It helps when the CEO invests in the company.
I would want to believe that at his age, he falls into the category of leaders who would want to leave a legacy of a successful organisation...
Tired of mediocrity. Am going to the very top!
researchfirst
#29 Posted : Tuesday, September 20, 2016 9:25:35 AM
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sparkly wrote:
researchfirst wrote:
Jon Jones wrote:
Mworia is an apprentice corporate mercenary, learning from the legendary Chris Kirubi. When they are done with Centum, there will be nothing left to salvage. Why doesn't Mworia and other employees get paid in shares? What do they know that would make them not receive their bonuses in shares? Why would a company pay out over 1 billion in salaries and bonuses and pay just 665 million in 8 years in dividends? It is obvious that employees are gaining more than shareholders which should never be the case.


Because their stated goal was capital gain and the compensation plan was structured to reward just that (see pg 114 of the annual report). Centum has been up-front and consistent with how they pay. If you don't like it: (a) don't invest, (b) go to the AGM and speak against it, or (c) buy a controlling stake and change the policy.

As for your first statement, Kirubi is the largest shareholder of the company and Mworia is in the top 10. Why would they run a company that they largely own into the ground? If they were going to do that, they wouldn't keep acquiring larger and larger stakes.


Your defence of Centum is very emotional. declare your interest.


You confuse logic with emotion.
researchfirst
#30 Posted : Tuesday, September 20, 2016 9:27:14 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
@The Great
Where is the problem in kengen

@researchfirst
When the company starts going south and the major investors who you are talking about here (Chris Kirubi and James Mworia) dump their shares you wouldn't know.
By the time you will be knowing it will be too late and the shares will be worthless.
Owning the shares is not a problem; problem is asset stripping through fictitious targets and ripping off shareholders.
Compare centum and safaricom.
Safaricom is zero debt, centum debt in excess of 17bn.
Return to shareholders incomparable


I think I would notice if Kirubi sold a third of the company, as would quite a few other people.
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#31 Posted : Tuesday, September 20, 2016 9:41:13 AM
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I remember Mworia saying that he would acquire more of centum shares even at a price of shs. 100 bob. He said this when the share was trading at 86 bob. I regret not boarding this bus at shs. 11bob despite my broker advising that i do so
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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#32 Posted : Tuesday, September 20, 2016 9:43:22 AM
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This is corporate theft.
The bonus should be in shares.We work with cashflows not statement of comprehensive income that are cooked.
Hutia Mundu!!
bird_man
#33 Posted : Tuesday, September 20, 2016 9:59:23 AM
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RichVee wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Jon Jones wrote:
Mworia is an apprentice corporate mercenary, learning from the legendary Chris Kirubi. When they are done with Centum, there will be nothing left to salvage. Why doesn't Mworia and other employees get paid in shares? What do they know that would make them not receive their bonuses in shares? Why would a company pay out over 1 billion in salaries and bonuses and pay just 665 million in 8 years in dividends? It is obvious that employees are gaining more than shareholders which should never be the case.

Didn't Mworia use that money to buy Centum shares?
http://www.businessdaily...4/-/fkv6cp/-/index.html
"Centum’s chief executive James Mworia has acquired four million shares worth Sh207.4 million in the investment company, breaking into the list of the firm’s top 10 shareholders."


The figures match. It helps when the CEO invests in the company.
I would want to believe that at his age, he falls into the category of leaders who would want to leave a legacy of a successful organisation...

His shares now worth about 187M (4M*43sh). So what happens when you con guys off 1B?Plus he could easily exit.The books don't make sense!They live off revaluation gains!
Formally employed people often live their employers' dream & forget about their own.
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#34 Posted : Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:21:27 AM
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sparkly wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Doesn't make sense

Bonuses have been hefty over the last 2 years smile


What if they dont pay bonuses this year, will the salary stagnate or reduce?


Shareholder's dividend after 8 yrs - KShs 665m
CEO's pay 1 yr - KShs 201m

Why am I uncomfortable with this...


This is a very simplistic view...Please tell us what the share price, debt and assets were at 8 years ago and presently?
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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#35 Posted : Tuesday, September 20, 2016 11:15:47 AM
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Don't invest in Centum, work at Centum
To Each His Own
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#36 Posted : Tuesday, September 20, 2016 11:22:21 AM
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kayhara wrote:
Don't invest in Centum, work at Centum

I agree

Swenani
#37 Posted : Tuesday, September 20, 2016 11:27:38 AM
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Most blue section wazuans are just haters!!
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
Ericsson
#38 Posted : Tuesday, September 20, 2016 11:51:58 AM
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@kayhara
That is unless you come from a certain region in kenya
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Intelligentsia
#39 Posted : Tuesday, September 20, 2016 11:59:33 AM
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The boy surely deserves it given the way the company's asset base/networth/ profitability has risen over the last 8 yrs;

'Under Mr Mworia’s tenure, Centum has increasingly shifted its investments to large scale projects that have generated massive realised and unrealised gains.
This has added billions of shillings to the book value of Centum – which avoided paying dividends for years — even as it allowed the executives to pocket millions of shillings in bonuses.
The company in the year ended March, for instance, booked a Sh5.1 billion gain in its property investments led by the Two Rivers Mall, which it says now has an implied value of Sh23 billion based on the price paid by new equity investors in the shopping complex.
When Mr Mworia was appointed Centum’s chief executive in October 2008, the company was largely a passive investor in listed and private companies, including General Motors East Africa, ARM Cement, and Coca-Cola bottlers.
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#40 Posted : Tuesday, September 20, 2016 2:57:06 PM
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I'm just glad that the top earners are not foreigners. I'm from an age where top 10 would have been foreigners and one local sneaked in for PR sake.
Anyway, keep hope alive.

BBI will solve it
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