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Pesa Nane
#1 Posted : Monday, August 29, 2016 8:34:10 PM
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Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
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#2 Posted : Monday, August 29, 2016 9:17:43 PM
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EPS up.. in this economy thats alright Applause
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VituVingiSana
#3 Posted : Monday, August 29, 2016 10:51:34 PM
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Applause Applause Applause @VVS is pleased. It has been a tough 6 months but KenRe has performed well. Drool Drool Drool
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:46:46 AM
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guru267 wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:


EPS up.. in this economy thats alright Applause



I don't get it how Total Comprehensive income is down but E.P.S is up. Somebody kindly explain this to me
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:23:04 AM
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kaimbaga2012 wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:


EPS up.. in this economy thats alright Applause



I don't get it how Total Comprehensive income is down but E.P.S is up. Somebody kindly explain this to me


EPS looks at only the P&L.

TCI includes NSE losses.
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kaimbaga2012
#6 Posted : Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:39:26 AM
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guru267 wrote:
kaimbaga2012 wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:


EPS up.. in this economy thats alright Applause



I don't get it how Total Comprehensive income is down but E.P.S is up. Somebody kindly explain this to me


EPS looks at only the P&L.

TCI includes NSE losses.



Thanks Guru267
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Ericsson
#7 Posted : Tuesday, August 30, 2016 3:07:35 PM
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LONG LIVE KENYA RE
Share price behaving appropriately today
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, August 30, 2016 4:40:59 PM
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It's losses in the NSE is about sh.239mn which is unrealised coz the portfolio hasn't been liquidated.
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VituVingiSana
#9 Posted : Tuesday, August 30, 2016 8:54:01 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
It's losses in the NSE is about sh.239mn which is unrealised coz the portfolio hasn't been liquidated.


- Kenya Re has sold some shares in 1H [Investor Briefing] but IMHO not enough. Now they are looking at loading up.
- Preference was given to T-Bonds and T-Bills esp in Oct 2015 and the benefits are seen in 2015.
- Plans are being made for a new office building but likely to break ground in 2017 at the earliest.
- Currently the properties are leased out with 97% occupancy.
- No money in Chase/Imperial.
- 1H 2016 had large payouts for the Nepal earthquake. These have almost ended.
- Zep Re is critical for KenRe to expand (via Zep Re) into Africa.
- KenRe is doing OK in Zambia [for Southern Africa] and in Abidjan. There are challenges eg currency, competition, etc.
- Current ratings by GCR and AM Best are good.
- Lots of cash, bank deposits and Gov't securities.
- Property "valuation gains" [if any] will come through in 2H.

@VVS is content with Mwarania and team. Applause Applause Applause
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, August 30, 2016 11:03:06 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
It's losses in the NSE is about sh.239mn which is unrealised coz the portfolio hasn't been liquidated.


- Kenya Re has sold some shares in 1H [Investor Briefing] but IMHO not enough. Now they are looking at loading up.
- Preference was given to T-Bonds and T-Bills esp in Oct 2015 and the benefits are seen in 2015.
- Plans are being made for a new office building but likely to break ground in 2017 at the earliest.
- Currently the properties are leased out with 97% occupancy.
- No money in Chase/Imperial.
- 1H 2016 had large payouts for the Nepal earthquake. These have almost ended.
- Zep Re is critical for KenRe to expand (via Zep Re) into Africa.
- KenRe is doing OK in Zambia [for Southern Africa] and in Abidjan. There are challenges eg currency, competition, etc.
- Current ratings by GCR and AM Best are good.
- Lots of cash, bank deposits and Gov't securities.
- Property "valuation gains" [if any] will come through in 2H.

@VVS is content with Mwarania and team. Applause Applause Applause


Very good performance. Received a dividend this month, Waiting for a bonus end of year smile
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Liv
#11 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 1:39:29 AM
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KenRe generated negative cash from its operations..... With such profitability something is not adding up.
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alotoftalk
#12 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 3:01:08 AM
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Liv wrote:

KenRe generated negative cash from its operations..... With such profitability something is not adding up.


This can be explained from the following three observations:

(i) They must have classified their purchase of investment securities as operating activities which is not consistent with the FY15 annual report. For Q216 CFO for 12/31 is KES 93,922MM vs KES 2,651,959MM in FY15.

(ii) Looking at the balance sheet they have increased their GoK securities by ~KES 1 Billion.

(iii) And the increase in receivables arising out of reinsurance arrangements of ~KES 1 Billion accounts.
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VituVingiSana
#13 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 10:27:42 AM
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Insurance Firms' accounting is different. Warren Buffett discusses this at length in his Chairman's Statements for Berkshire Hathaway

- KenRe purchased an additional stake in ZepRe and now that it owns 20%+ it accounts for it as an associate not an "investment"
- The Receivables (as @alotoftalk mentioned) jumped as KenRe wrote a lot of business in June 2016. Payments/Premiums to be received in 2H 2016.
- Re/insurance firms may buy "contracts" that require an immediate payment/expenditure but receive payment/income in later periods.

We need the full set of accounts to better understand the negative Operating CF.
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Liv
#14 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 10:33:04 AM
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alotoftalk wrote:
Liv wrote:

KenRe generated negative cash from its operations..... With such profitability something is not adding up.


This can be explained from the following three observations:

(i) They must have classified their purchase of investment securities as operating activities which is not consistent with the FY15 annual report. For Q216 CFO for 12/31 is KES 93,922MM vs KES 2,651,959MM in FY15.

(ii) Looking at the balance sheet they have increased their GoK securities by ~KES 1 Billion.

(iii) And the increase in receivables arising out of reinsurance arrangements of ~KES 1 Billion accounts.



These do not explain it fully given that net profit plus non cash items in the PL is more than Kes 2.2 Billion.

Don't you think there may be some asset increases that were not expensed in the PL so that profitability looks good?

Cash is fact profit is an opinion
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VituVingiSana
#15 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 11:04:40 AM
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Liv wrote:
alotoftalk wrote:
Liv wrote:

KenRe generated negative cash from its operations..... With such profitability something is not adding up.


This can be explained from the following three observations:

(i) They must have classified their purchase of investment securities as operating activities which is not consistent with the FY15 annual report. For Q216 CFO for 12/31 is KES 93,922MM vs KES 2,651,959MM in FY15.

(ii) Looking at the balance sheet they have increased their GoK securities by ~KES 1 Billion.

(iii) And the increase in receivables arising out of reinsurance arrangements of ~KES 1 Billion accounts.



These do not explain it fully given that net profit plus non cash items in the PL is more than Kes 2.2 Billion.

Don't you think there may be some asset increases that were not expensed in the PL so that profitability looks good?

Cash is fact profit is an opinion

Yes, you are right. And I am a-OK with KenRe.
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Ericsson
#16 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 2:39:01 PM
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A 1:1 or 1:2 bonus issue won't be bad at full year results
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VituVingiSana
#17 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 3:32:31 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
A 1:1 or 1:2 bonus issue won't be bad at full year results
GoK mambos. I think KenRe should do a Rights Issue like KCB and GoK doesn't participate. This will increase the non-GoK shareholding.
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Ericsson
#18 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 4:04:55 PM
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@VVS
Rights issue ya nini.The company has alot of retained earnings and cash reserve.
Mimi nataka bonus shares na dividend apana patia mimi stress ya kutoa pesa rights issue
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Angelica _ann
#19 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 4:25:04 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
@VVS
Rights issue ya nini.The company has alot of retained earnings and cash reserve.
Mimi nataka bonus shares na dividend apana patia mimi stress ya kutoa pesa rights issue

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly You were very vocal and supported KENGEN rights, whereas here umeruka?
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Ericsson
#20 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 4:48:26 PM
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@Angelica_ann;
Inategemea na fundamentals ya kampuni.
Rights issue yake itanikula pesa mingi sana
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