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Wai!! it is a blood bath, kcb, coop, equity down 9%
MaichBlack
#421 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2016 1:04:09 PM
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Metasploit wrote:
correction for the banking stocks;

KCB to test support at 27-28
COOP to test support at 12
Equity to test support at 28-29

Hope so. I was hoping the buying period would be longer.

I am currently a buyer. I want/need a buyers market. Hiyo mbio is too much!!!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
Ericsson
#422 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2016 1:39:16 PM
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@metasploit
what about for safaricom
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
wukan
#423 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2016 2:04:06 PM
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Banking circular 6 of 2016-Banks told to immediately reverse the conversion of savings to transaction accounts and seek CBK approval before imposing any charges or changing any feature of an approved product.

Can't touch this!!!
watesh
#424 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2016 2:38:23 PM
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CBA expanding Mshwari to Rwanda....KCB still asleep instead of taking the opportunity in that market
hisah
#425 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2016 2:47:28 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
@metasploit
what about for safaricom

You can buy now at 20 or at 25 or higher. Your choice smile
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#426 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2016 2:50:11 PM
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Metasploit wrote:
correction for the banking stocks;

KCB to test support at 27-28
COOP to test support at 12
Equity to test support at 28-29

Equity took off too fast. I don't think it has found the floor yet. Coop and KCB have been steady during the bounce and are more constructive.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
Ericsson
#427 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2016 9:25:13 PM
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There will be a general lower rate of return on equity for kenyan banks with the interest rates cap
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Spikes
#428 Posted : Wednesday, October 05, 2016 6:59:33 AM
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http://www.standardmedia...oduction-of-new-charges


The regulator is seeking reversal of the so-baptized facilitation fee charged by lenders CBK terming them illegal.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
Ericsson
#429 Posted : Wednesday, October 05, 2016 8:58:22 AM
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Guys are very quiet.
kwani wako mourning
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Angelica _ann
#430 Posted : Wednesday, October 05, 2016 9:01:57 AM
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hisah wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
@metasploit
what about for safaricom

You can buy now at 20 or at 25 or higher. Your choice smile

Safaricom ain't coming back for anybody, wanjiku included smile
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
Spikes
#431 Posted : Wednesday, October 05, 2016 9:09:20 AM
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hisah wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
@metasploit
what about for safaricom

You can buy now at 20 or at 25 or higher. Your choice smile



This stock is very expensive considering high P/E ratio but it acquires strength from good management and sustainable growth.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
Ericsson
#432 Posted : Wednesday, October 05, 2016 9:12:42 AM
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@angelica
It will based on movement of global funds.
They behave like vultures going to places where they will get highest returns.
Nothing can be ruled out
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
HaMaina
#433 Posted : Wednesday, October 05, 2016 10:34:27 AM
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file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/DIGIT/My%20Documents/686_DOC-20161005-WA0001.pdf
“You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
HaMaina
#434 Posted : Wednesday, October 05, 2016 10:41:17 AM
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HaMaina wrote:
file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/DIGIT/My%20Documents/686_DOC-20161005-WA0001.pdf


http://www.the-star.co.k...easing-charges_c1432107

Please assist:- How does one post an image, or a pdf file on Wazua


“You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
hisah
#435 Posted : Wednesday, October 05, 2016 12:24:00 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
Guys are very quiet.
kwani wako mourning

I like the silence. The crowd is spooked and it feels hopeless. Perfect ground for bottom fishing smile
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
HaMaina
#436 Posted : Wednesday, October 05, 2016 1:43:06 PM
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Banking Circular No 6 of 2016
“You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
HaMaina
#437 Posted : Wednesday, October 05, 2016 1:45:30 PM
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http://file:///C:/Documents%20a...06%20of%202016_img_0.jpg
“You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
HaMaina
#438 Posted : Wednesday, October 05, 2016 2:03:20 PM
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BANKING CIRCULAR NO.6 OF 2016
TO CHIEF EXECUTIVES OF COMMERCIAL BANKS AND MORTGAGE
FINANCE COMPANIES
INCREASE OF CHARGES AND CONVERSION OF SAVINGS PRODUCTS TO
TRANSACTIONAL PRODUCTS
Since the Banking (Amendment) Act, 20 16 came into force on September 14, 20 16, the
Central Bank of Kenya (CBK) has received some applications from institutions seeking
approval to increase charges on their products. CBK has also received a number of
complaints from bank customers stating that their banks have imposed arbitrary charge s or
unilaterally converted their savings accounts into transactional accounts, and thereby losing
the benefits that were accruing from those savings accounts.

CBK hereby draws your attention to the requirements of the following provisions of the law:
i) Sections 16A (I ) and 44 of the Banking Act and Section 31A of the Banking
(Amendment) Act, 2016.
ii) Regulation 2 and 7 of the Banking (Increase of Rate of Banking and Other
Charges) Regulations, 2006.
iii) Clauses 3.2.3(a)( i), 3.2.9(a), 3.4.4(i) & (ii) and 3.4.6(a)( iii) of the Prudential
Guideline on Consumer Protection (CBKJPG/22).
These provisions provide for the following:
I) Savings, seven-day, call, and fixed deposit accounts should not attract any charge.
2) All products sought to be offered by any bank must be approved by CBK prior to
roll out.
3) Any proposed change to and/or in any feature of an approved product must be
approved by CBK. Each product has its own unique feature s. It is these features
that constitute the product, which must be approved by CBK. Approval by CBK of
a product means appro val of the feature s of the product as described by an
institution to the CBK. Any change in the features of the product changes the
product as earlier approved and therefore the changed product with less. more or
otherwise varied feature(s ) must be approved by CBK prior to rollout.
1
.,
"
4) Any charges on any product must be approved by CBK.
5) Any increase in charges on any product must be approved by CBK.
6) Institutions are required to exp lain to their customers the reasons behind any
decision to vary charges or terms & conditions of a contract.
7) Institutions are required to notify their customers within a reasonable time
(preferably one month) prior to varying any charges.
8) Institutions must disclose to their customers the total cost of credit.
We draw your attention to the following :
i) Any change of and/or in any feature of an approved product without the prior
approval of CBK is illegal.
ii) A savings, seven-day, ca ll or fixed deposit account product which by law does not
attract any charge cannot be converted to a transaction account (which may attract
charges) without the prior consent of the customer and without the prior approval
of CBK.
iii) Institutions need to amend their respective contracts with their customers to
incorporate the new legal requirements on disclosure of charges and terms.
iv) Any changes which may have been effected by institutions without the requisite
CBK approval should be reversed immediately.
v) Any conversion of a savings, seven-day , call or fixed deposit account product to a
transaction account which may have been effected by any institution should be
reversed immediately.
CBK will follow up, on a case by case basis, with any institution which may have violated
the law relating to approval of charges and products and appropriate action shall be taken
against the affec ted institution.
"
In case of any query or clarification, please contact:
Th e Director,
Bank Supervision Department
Central Bank of Kenya
P.O. Box 60000 - 00200
NAIROBI
Tel: 2863005
Email: fin@centralbank.go.ke
GERAlJYAOMA
DIRECTOR, BANK SUPERVISION
Cc: Chief Executive Officer
Kenya Bankers Association
13th Floor, International Life House
Mama Ngina Street
NAIROBI
“You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
watesh
#439 Posted : Wednesday, October 05, 2016 5:31:22 PM
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Joined: 8/10/2014
Posts: 955
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HaMaina wrote:
BANKING CIRCULAR NO.6 OF 2016
TO CHIEF EXECUTIVES OF COMMERCIAL BANKS AND MORTGAGE
FINANCE COMPANIES
INCREASE OF CHARGES AND CONVERSION OF SAVINGS PRODUCTS TO
TRANSACTIONAL PRODUCTS
Since the Banking (Amendment) Act, 20 16 came into force on September 14, 20 16, the
Central Bank of Kenya (CBK) has received some applications from institutions seeking
approval to increase charges on their products. CBK has also received a number of
complaints from bank customers stating that their banks have imposed arbitrary charge s or
unilaterally converted their savings accounts into transactional accounts, and thereby losing
the benefits that were accruing from those savings accounts.

CBK hereby draws your attention to the requirements of the following provisions of the law:
i) Sections 16A (I ) and 44 of the Banking Act and Section 31A of the Banking
(Amendment) Act, 2016.
ii) Regulation 2 and 7 of the Banking (Increase of Rate of Banking and Other
Charges) Regulations, 2006.
iii) Clauses 3.2.3(a)( i), 3.2.9(a), 3.4.4(i) & (ii) and 3.4.6(a)( iii) of the Prudential
Guideline on Consumer Protection (CBKJPG/22).
These provisions provide for the following:
I) Savings, seven-day, call, and fixed deposit accounts should not attract any charge.
2) All products sought to be offered by any bank must be approved by CBK prior to
roll out.
3) Any proposed change to and/or in any feature of an approved product must be
approved by CBK. Each product has its own unique feature s. It is these features
that constitute the product, which must be approved by CBK. Approval by CBK of
a product means appro val of the feature s of the product as described by an
institution to the CBK. Any change in the features of the product changes the
product as earlier approved and therefore the changed product with less. more or
otherwise varied feature(s ) must be approved by CBK prior to rollout.
1
.,
"
4) Any charges on any product must be approved by CBK.
5) Any increase in charges on any product must be approved by CBK.
6) Institutions are required to exp lain to their customers the reasons behind any
decision to vary charges or terms & conditions of a contract.
7) Institutions are required to notify their customers within a reasonable time
(preferably one month) prior to varying any charges.
8) Institutions must disclose to their customers the total cost of credit.
We draw your attention to the following :
i) Any change of and/or in any feature of an approved product without the prior
approval of CBK is illegal.
ii) A savings, seven-day, ca ll or fixed deposit account product which by law does not
attract any charge cannot be converted to a transaction account (which may attract
charges) without the prior consent of the customer and without the prior approval
of CBK.
iii) Institutions need to amend their respective contracts with their customers to
incorporate the new legal requirements on disclosure of charges and terms.
iv) Any changes which may have been effected by institutions without the requisite
CBK approval should be reversed immediately.
v) Any conversion of a savings, seven-day , call or fixed deposit account product to a
transaction account which may have been effected by any institution should be
reversed immediately.
CBK will follow up, on a case by case basis, with any institution which may have violated
the law relating to approval of charges and products and appropriate action shall be taken
against the affec ted institution.
"
In case of any query or clarification, please contact:
Th e Director,
Bank Supervision Department
Central Bank of Kenya
P.O. Box 60000 - 00200
NAIROBI
Tel: 2863005
Email: fin@centralbank.go.ke
GERAlJYAOMA
DIRECTOR, BANK SUPERVISION
Cc: Chief Executive Officer
Kenya Bankers Association
13th Floor, International Life House
Mama Ngina Street
NAIROBI

CBK trying to rip open the wound created by members of parliament. Cant wait for Q4 2016 and Q1 2017. For now I have put a pause in banking stocks purchases till i see the extent of the injuries.
sparkly
#440 Posted : Wednesday, October 05, 2016 8:55:11 PM
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hisah wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Guys are very quiet.
kwani wako mourning

I like the silence. The crowd is spooked and it feels hopeless. Perfect ground for bottom fishing smile

@ Hidah which banks are on your cross hairs
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