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Of IEBC exit and Kriegler warning - A trap?
limanika
#1 Posted : Monday, August 08, 2016 7:30:47 PM
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The negotiated exit of IEBC commissioners has been hailed across the board, however did anybody consider what Kriegler said? That you should never attempt to form a fresh commission less than 2 years to election?

Does it then follow that we've been set up for failure next year either by some mischievous design or by default?

The condition for IEBC exit should have been extension of current parliament term by 1 year min..from where i sit..
chemirocha
#2 Posted : Monday, August 08, 2016 7:44:56 PM
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limanika wrote:
The negotiated exit of IEBC commissioners has been hailed across the board, however did anybody consider what Kriegler said? That you should never attempt to form a fresh commission less than 2 years to election?

Does it then follow that we've been set up for failure next year either by some mischievous design or by default?

The condition for IEBC exit should have been extension of current parliament term by 1 year min..from where i sit..


Even if it was possible, postponing the election date creates more problems than what you seek to solve.
Angelica _ann
#3 Posted : Monday, August 08, 2016 7:49:25 PM
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limanika
#4 Posted : Monday, August 08, 2016 8:02:39 PM
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chemirocha wrote:
limanika wrote:
The negotiated exit of IEBC commissioners has been hailed across the board, however did anybody consider what Kriegler said? That you should never attempt to form a fresh commission less than 2 years to election?

Does it then follow that we've been set up for failure next year either by some mischievous design or by default?

The condition for IEBC exit should have been extension of current parliament term by 1 year min..from where i sit..


Even if it was possible, postponing the election date creates more problems than what you seek to solve.

By 'condition', we don't necessarily mean outright postponement..but that some 'middle-ground' is necessary..@ angel, what's if there's no bridge to cross???
Jump-steady
#5 Posted : Monday, August 08, 2016 8:29:54 PM
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limanika wrote:
The negotiated exit of IEBC commissioners has been hailed across the board, however did anybody consider what Kriegler said? That you should never attempt to form a fresh commission less than 2 years to election?

Does it then follow that we've been set up for failure next year either by some mischievous design or by default?

The condition for IEBC exit should have been extension of current parliament term by 1 year min..from where i sit..



May be it was meant to mean not creating a whole new electoral body. The commissioners are employees of the IEBC institution. No memory of the IEBC as an institution will be lost by their departure.Problem would be if we sent home the directors and other employees down the hierarchy.

They should even allow qualified sitting employees of the IEBC to apply for the vacant top jobs. But the prevailing politics might to allow it.
chemirocha
#6 Posted : Monday, August 08, 2016 8:34:28 PM
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limanika wrote:
chemirocha wrote:
limanika wrote:
The negotiated exit of IEBC commissioners has been hailed across the board, however did anybody consider what Kriegler said? That you should never attempt to form a fresh commission less than 2 years to election?

Does it then follow that we've been set up for failure next year either by some mischievous design or by default?

The condition for IEBC exit should have been extension of current parliament term by 1 year min..from where i sit..


Even if it was possible, postponing the election date creates more problems than what you seek to solve.

By 'condition', we don't necessarily mean outright postponement..but that some 'middle-ground' is necessary..@ angel, what's if there's no bridge to cross???


The election date is set in the constitution so your point is moot.

I agree its not an ideal situation but we have to work with that restriction in place.
sitaki.kujulikana
#7 Posted : Monday, August 08, 2016 10:50:30 PM
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Jump-steady wrote:
limanika wrote:
The negotiated exit of IEBC commissioners has been hailed across the board, however did anybody consider what Kriegler said? That you should never attempt to form a fresh commission less than 2 years to election?

Does it then follow that we've been set up for failure next year either by some mischievous design or by default?

The condition for IEBC exit should have been extension of current parliament term by 1 year min..from where i sit..



May be it was meant to mean not creating a whole new electoral body. The commissioners are employees of the IEBC institution. No memory of the IEBC as an institution will be lost by their departure.Problem would be if we sent home the directors and other employees down the hierarchy.

They should even allow qualified sitting employees of the IEBC to apply for the vacant top jobs. But the prevailing politics might to allow it.

but its the commissioners who create and, or alter that memory.
masukuma
#8 Posted : Tuesday, August 09, 2016 12:01:20 AM
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
Jump-steady wrote:
limanika wrote:
The negotiated exit of IEBC commissioners has been hailed across the board, however did anybody consider what Kriegler said? That you should never attempt to form a fresh commission less than 2 years to election?

Does it then follow that we've been set up for failure next year either by some mischievous design or by default?

The condition for IEBC exit should have been extension of current parliament term by 1 year min..from where i sit..



May be it was meant to mean not creating a whole new electoral body. The commissioners are employees of the IEBC institution. No memory of the IEBC as an institution will be lost by their departure.Problem would be if we sent home the directors and other employees down the hierarchy.

They should even allow qualified sitting employees of the IEBC to apply for the vacant top jobs. But the prevailing politics might to allow it.

but its the commissioners who create and, or alter that memory.

it's a recipe for disaster - 365 days to voting day. So we need to advertise, interview and hire commissioners. halafu - they will decide (on their own) what to do in the commission with the directors and managers. some will go - halafu. they will look at what is in place - looks at the EOP and says... hmm... I don't like that!! remove it. how does that work? looks at the systems and say... we don't want these - they will fail. lets get a new bunch.
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limanika
#9 Posted : Tuesday, August 09, 2016 8:08:48 AM
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Jump-steady wrote:
limanika wrote:
The negotiated exit of IEBC commissioners has been hailed across the board, however did anybody consider what Kriegler said? That you should never attempt to form a fresh commission less than 2 years to election?

Does it then follow that we've been set up for failure next year either by some mischievous design or by default?

The condition for IEBC exit should have been extension of current parliament term by 1 year min..from where i sit..



May be it was meant to mean not creating a whole new electoral body. The commissioners are employees of the IEBC institution. No memory of the IEBC as an institution will be lost by their departure.Problem would be if we sent home the directors and other employees down the hierarchy.

They should even allow qualified sitting employees of the IEBC to apply for the vacant top jobs. But the prevailing politics might to allow it.


That assumes the commissioners are largely ceremonial, which begs the question, why not send home the secretariat instead? Again if recent history is anything to go by, there's one man whenever he influences the constitution of the electoral commission, we have had disputes - in 2007 he threw tantrums and we were forced to retain Kivuitu. What happened? In 2012 he threw tantrums again so Hassan could be retained, and picked the CEO himself. He then claimed there was rigging. In 2016....we can only hope history will not repeat itself. But you're left wondering how brand new commissioners will manage competently while still going through the learning curve. Or is our kenyan soul / economy doomed to slow down after every election on account of rigging claims, so much so that we have to subconsciously create ways to fail even when there's no reason?
masukuma
#10 Posted : Tuesday, August 09, 2016 10:43:28 AM
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Think of the Commissioners as the Board of directors (in kenya). In some countries (and in the IIEC) they take on thematic roles and end up clashing with the people in the secretariat in change of those areas. But in Kenya they are like board of directors - they set policy and approve direction. So the secretariat proposes how to execute that policy i.e. We shall do X and the commission says - Yes or No. Commissioners rarely propose (coz if you propose and implementation and it fails... hehehe.. Raila goes for your neck). So the secretariat does the actual work on the ground. There is a culture of fear. A culture where people fail to try - you know why? you try and fail - your neck is on the board. You don't ever do anything - you stay in the service. You try and it works - your superior takes the credit. Terrible culture - I think we need a cultural shift... a cultural shift that examines failure and determines whether the failure was a failure when trying to do a great thing and somehow the execution failed or was it theft or negligence.
I love this clip by Steve Blank - it's really profound. I am not sure how many times I have listened to this man speak. Quite profound.

Experience means failure and recovery. A experienced person who has never failed is not exactly experienced. We need to examine our culture and ask ourselves... this culture of firing and resigning people after failure - imetufikisha wapi? How many coaches have we had in soccer? When a coach steps into a position where they know their first failure will be punished - what do they do? those guys come here to take as much as they can upfront. We will never go anywhere!! You can go around saying...oh... shida ni management.. oh shida ni grass roots! oh shida no [INSERT EXCUSE HERE]. Now back to the commission - let me ask you. Why were the commissioners hounded out of office? Coz they 'failed', everything else was an excuse - chicken gate was an excuse.
My greatest fear is that the new board will not leave the secretariat as it was and will meddle with it. we are already in the pre-election period and it's going to get crazier.
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