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Chase Bank loss...another case of cooking the books?
2012
#721 Posted : Monday, September 11, 2017 8:36:10 AM
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Morning members. We are seeking advise. We've heard many views but we want to hear yours too. We are a group of people who have sold property though law firms and the money is purportedly held in the firms accounts in Chase Bank. We are looking for joint legal action against the firms and probably even the LSK. Please advice. Thanks.

BBI will solve it
:)
Gathige
#722 Posted : Monday, September 11, 2017 12:34:55 PM
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2012 wrote:
Morning members. We are seeking advise. We've heard many views but we want to hear yours too. We are a group of people who have sold property though law firms and the money is purportedly held in the firms accounts in Chase Bank. We are looking for joint legal action against the firms and probably even the LSK. Please advice. Thanks.



@2012, Taking the legal route on the firms and LSK has a snow balls chance in hell. Chase bank was doing a legit business and had a banking license to engage in banking. The firms you engaged were dealing with a legal bank and the only recourse you may have is to sue the directors of Chase to recover the losses from them, again a snow ball chance as they may have engaged in criminal activity leading to the collapse.
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mkenyan
#723 Posted : Monday, September 11, 2017 3:11:27 PM
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2012 wrote:
Morning members. We are seeking advise. We've heard many views but we want to hear yours too. We are a group of people who have sold property though law firms and the money is purportedly held in the firms accounts in Chase Bank. We are looking for joint legal action against the firms and probably even the LSK. Please advice. Thanks.

you may sue the law firms. If the money was paid to them to hold as stakeholders, then it is immaterial whether they deposited in a licensed bank which went under. that is not a viable defence to them (maybe a mitigation to allow them to pay in instalments). forget what gathige has posted above, it is ill-advised and has no basis in law as a defence. advocates usually have an indemnity cover but it is mostly for negligence and fidelity issues. but best find out if the insurance cover for yours had an extension to cover such eventualities. if yes then you sue the law firm and the insurance pays. if not then you sue the law firm and hope the proprietor/partners has/have enough money to pay you otherwise you may have judgement with no money. as for lsk, they have no liability in this. so don’t waste your time with them.
2012
#724 Posted : Monday, September 11, 2017 6:41:48 PM
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mkenyan wrote:
2012 wrote:
Morning members. We are seeking advise. We've heard many views but we want to hear yours too. We are a group of people who have sold property though law firms and the money is purportedly held in the firms accounts in Chase Bank. We are looking for joint legal action against the firms and probably even the LSK. Please advice. Thanks.

you may sue the law firms. If the money was paid to them to hold as stakeholders, then it is immaterial whether they deposited in a licensed bank which went under. that is not a viable defence to them (maybe a mitigation to allow them to pay in instalments). forget what gathige has posted above, it is ill-advised and has no basis in law as a defence. advocates usually have an indemnity cover but it is mostly for negligence and fidelity issues. but best find out if the insurance cover for yours had an extension to cover such eventualities. if yes then you sue the law firm and the insurance pays. if not then you sue the law firm and hope the proprietor/partners has/have enough money to pay you otherwise you may have judgement with no money. as for lsk, they have no liability in this. so don’t waste your time with them.



Thank you for that. That's the direction we've chosen to take although everyone seems to be discouraging it.

BBI will solve it
:)
Chaka
#725 Posted : Monday, September 11, 2017 6:56:01 PM
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The sale was done just before Chase bank went under?Whats the proof that the proceeds were banked at Chase?

2012 wrote:
Morning members. We are seeking advise. We've heard many views but we want to hear yours too. We are a group of people who have sold property though law firms and the money is purportedly held in the firms accounts in Chase Bank. We are looking for joint legal action against the firms and probably even the LSK. Please advice. Thanks.

Chaka
#726 Posted : Monday, September 11, 2017 6:57:35 PM
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The sale was done just before Chase bank went under?Whats the proof that the proceeds were banked at Chase?

2012 wrote:
Morning members. We are seeking advise. We've heard many views but we want to hear yours too. We are a group of people who have sold property though law firms and the money is purportedly held in the firms accounts in Chase Bank. We are looking for joint legal action against the firms and probably even the LSK. Please advice. Thanks.

Angelica _ann
#727 Posted : Tuesday, September 12, 2017 12:13:58 PM
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maka
#728 Posted : Tuesday, September 12, 2017 12:21:16 PM
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Chaka wrote:
The sale was done just before Chase bank went under?Whats the proof that the proceeds were banked at Chase?

2012 wrote:
Morning members. We are seeking advise. We've heard many views but we want to hear yours too. We are a group of people who have sold property though law firms and the money is purportedly held in the firms accounts in Chase Bank. We are looking for joint legal action against the firms and probably even the LSK. Please advice. Thanks.



Thats a genuine question...

Ummmh but I thought Chase bank is operational or there is a limit you cant access...Sad
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mkenyan
#729 Posted : Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:28:20 PM
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maka wrote:
Chaka wrote:
The sale was done just before Chase bank went under?Whats the proof that the proceeds were banked at Chase?

2012 wrote:
Morning members. We are seeking advise. We've heard many views but we want to hear yours too. We are a group of people who have sold property though law firms and the money is purportedly held in the firms accounts in Chase Bank. We are looking for joint legal action against the firms and probably even the LSK. Please advice. Thanks.



Thats a genuine question...

Ummmh but I thought Chase bank is operational or there is a limit you cant access...Sad

last they told me (chase bank) is that 'new' money can be withdrawn while 'old' money is still not accessible. that was some time this year. not much has changed to the best of my knowledge.
washiku
#730 Posted : Thursday, September 28, 2017 2:08:42 PM
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maka
#731 Posted : Thursday, September 28, 2017 5:17:16 PM
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washiku wrote:
Eh? Eh?


Whats up?
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Bigchick
#732 Posted : Friday, September 29, 2017 3:15:03 PM
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maka wrote:
washiku wrote:
Eh? Eh?


Whats up?


@Washiku we are waiting!
Kuna nini?
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#733 Posted : Friday, September 29, 2017 4:36:38 PM
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Bigchick wrote:
maka wrote:
washiku wrote:
Eh? Eh?


Whats up?


@Washiku we are waiting!
Kuna nini?


d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!
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obiero
#734 Posted : Saturday, September 30, 2017 3:35:17 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Bigchick wrote:
maka wrote:
washiku wrote:
Eh? Eh?


Whats up?


@Washiku we are waiting!
Kuna nini?


d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!


Are we still discussing this fraud

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#735 Posted : Thursday, October 05, 2017 2:37:50 PM
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obiero
#736 Posted : Thursday, October 05, 2017 10:48:22 PM
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Pesa Nane wrote:

Sad state of affairs

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Bigchick
#737 Posted : Monday, October 09, 2017 9:23:55 AM
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There has been a story about SBM taking only the good book.Sorry am yet to get my tutorials on how to put a link here.It was in the Standard on Sato.

Would like to hear more ftom experts here.
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#738 Posted : Monday, October 09, 2017 10:08:51 AM
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Bigchick wrote:
There has been a story about SBM taking only the good book.Sorry am yet to get my tutorials on how to put a link here.It was in the Standard on Sato.

Would like to hear more ftom experts here.


Must loudly wonder about the denial many engaged in when CBK governor brought the farce to judgement - 12 institutions (3 local, 4 foreign, 5 consortiums) all gave up after taking a closer look at Chase Bank's ugliness!
https://www.standardmedi...ry-picks-premium-assets

Good Bank - SBM
57bn in performing loans
57bn in deposits
- quarter in current account
- quarter in savings account
- half in 7% term deposit maturing in 3 installments over 3 years

Bad Bank - CBK
35bn hole, awaiting court cases, made up of:
20bn guys who stopped paying after receivership
15bn management assets frozen


Ericsson
#739 Posted : Monday, October 09, 2017 10:09:18 AM
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Bigchick wrote:
There has been a story about SBM taking only the good book.Sorry am yet to get my tutorials on how to put a link here.It was in the Standard on Sato.

Would like to hear more ftom experts here.


That is a good move;it will allow depositors whose money has been stuck for the past 18 months to access the money and improve liquidity in the market.
The restrictions on deposits is going to be done away with once money moves to SBM
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KulaRaha
#740 Posted : Monday, October 09, 2017 11:27:11 AM
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muganda wrote:
Bigchick wrote:
There has been a story about SBM taking only the good book.Sorry am yet to get my tutorials on how to put a link here.It was in the Standard on Sato.

Would like to hear more ftom experts here.


Must loudly wonder about the denial many engaged in when CBK governor brought the farce to judgement - 12 institutions (3 local, 4 foreign, 5 consortiums) all gave up after taking a closer look at Chase Bank's ugliness!
https://www.standardmedi...ry-picks-premium-assets

Good Bank - SBM
57bn in performing loans
57bn in deposits
- quarter in current account
- quarter in savings account
- half in 7% term deposit maturing in 3 installments over 3 years

Bad Bank - CBK
35bn hole, awaiting court cases, made up of:
20bn guys who stopped paying after receivership
15bn management assets frozen




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