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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Construction has been stopped. It would have saved us alot of time and money, just like the link road from westlands to yaya has eased transport. Sad. http://www.the-star.co.k...-after-dispute_c1302466
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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That construction has been undertaken by some 'barbaric' terms and it's good that residents filed a petition.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/5/2011 Posts: 1,059
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Who said only leaders grab land the kibera poor are also land grabbers, they are now holding a project that can ease movement since they want compensation, funny thing is you will find the loudest guy is a landlord at the slum upgrade flats and now lives in the slum to wait for another chance to milk the government. To Each His Own
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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kayhara wrote:Who said only leaders grab land the kibera poor are also land grabbers, they are now holding a project that can ease movement since they want compensation, funny thing is you will find the loudest guy is a landlord at the slum upgrade flats and now lives in the slum to wait for another chance to milk the government. Someone thinks the flats are in heaven and the government shouldn't be milked back. Thank God opinion is free...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Kweli mnyonge (maskini) hana haki. And you don't feel them coz you are able, you have your house, and no one is touching you...
Let the government do its job. Compensate the affected people, and continue with the project. We have seen many similar cases (City Cabanas, Galeria interchange) who were eventually compensated. Why not Kibera poor people?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,068 Location: nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:Kweli mnyonge (maskini) hana haki. And you don't feel them coz you are able, you have your house, and no one is touching you...
Let the government do its job. Compensate the affected people, and continue with the project. We have seen many similar cases (City Cabanas, Galeria interchange) who were eventually compensated. Why not Kibera poor people? Serikali should bring out the kali in them.. Flatten the mabatis along that path. I have used that bypass and it will definitely improve the lives of the same people who are objecting to the road KQ ABP 4.26
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Kweli mnyonge (maskini) hana haki. And you don't feel them coz you are able, you have your house, and no one is touching you...
Let the government do its job. Compensate the affected people, and continue with the project. We have seen many similar cases (City Cabanas, Galeria interchange) who were eventually compensated. Why not Kibera poor people? Serikali should bring out the kali in them.. Flatten the mabatis along that path. I have used that bypass and it will definitely improve the lives of the same people who are objecting to the road Mixing up issues. Now I believe Bernard Shaw when he said thinking is hard that he could only do it once a week when many others didn't do it at all.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/10/2010 Posts: 2,264
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i dont know about this. where does this road start , where does it pass through and where does it end? Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/22/2009 Posts: 2,449 Location: Africa
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Compensate who? Kibera land is public land
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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mpobiz wrote:i dont know about this. where does this road start , where does it pass through and where does it end? This is the map of the bypass. Work has just began. 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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tycho wrote:That construction has been undertaken by some 'barbaric' terms and it's good that residents filed a petition. So you want the country to be held at ransom by squatters and slumlords on road reserves. BTW this the current state of the "proposed bypass", all muddy. 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@Hardwood, how does my support for application of the law translate to holding the country 'at ransom'?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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tycho wrote:@Hardwood, how does my support for application of the law translate to holding the country 'at ransom'? The law says no one should encroach on anyone's land including govt road reserves. It also says that no one should put up illegal/unapproved/unsanitary structures within the city or any other jurisdiction. You cannot purport to support an illegality. The law gives the land owner (in this case the govt) the right to develop/utilise his land in any way he deems fit. And to remove any illegal structures within their land.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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hardwood wrote:tycho wrote:@Hardwood, how does my support for application of the law translate to holding the country 'at ransom'? The law says no one should encroach on anyone's land including govt road reserves. It also says that no one should put up illegal/unapproved/unsanitary structures within the city or any other jurisdiction. You cannot purport to support an illegality. The law gives the land owner (in this case the govt) the right to develop/utilise his land in any way he deems fit. And to remove any illegal structures within their land. In this case there are at least three reasons that would suffice to file a petition in court: 1. Contracts, rights and privileges, and exemptions to certain laws may be achieved implicitly and constructively 2. Correct interpretation of law isn't always straight forward 3. Certain interpretations of law may not optimal with respect to the welfare of the country As such, if a party in any relationship may find such reasons to hold, then that party has right to seek legal redress. These conditions hold in this particular case and therefore my support is qualified.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2011 Posts: 4,818 Location: -1.2107, 36.8831
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NKT. Kibera is GOVERNMENT land. Its not under anyone's title. I have worked there in many Water and Sanitation Projects and wonder why the residents are blocking the GoK from developing public infrastructure in its own land. Ati compensation, to a title basi!!!!! Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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dunkang wrote:NKT. Kibera is GOVERNMENT land. Its not under anyone's title. I have worked there in many Water and Sanitation Projects and wonder why the residents are blocking the GoK from developing public infrastructure in its own land.
Ati compensation, to a title basi!!!!! that is where you go wrong! just because adjudication has not happened it does not mean it' "government land". this british type thinking about the crown owning everything and we are living at it's mercy is what has made government big headed. land is a resource and belongs to the community that stays there. titles are to facilitate trading and using it as collateral first not identity. government just works to adjudicate land to facilitate owners transact with the land. another point is citizenship! An ID is not the document that makes you a citizen but it just shows you are a registered citizen! the document is to be used to demonstrate your 'citizenship' to others who are curious about your citizenship but does not make you a citizen. Citizenship and Land ownership are not derived from the state. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/1/2009 Posts: 1,884
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masukuma wrote:dunkang wrote:NKT. Kibera is GOVERNMENT land. Its not under anyone's title. I have worked there in many Water and Sanitation Projects and wonder why the residents are blocking the GoK from developing public infrastructure in its own land.
Ati compensation, to a title basi!!!!! that is where you go wrong! just because adjudication has not happened it does not mean it' "government land". this british type thinking about the crown owning everything and we are living at it's mercy is what has made government big headed. land is a resource and belongs to the community that stays there. titles are to facilitate trading and using it as collateral first not identity. government just works to adjudicate land to facilitate owners transact with the land. another point is citizenship! An ID is not the document that makes you a citizen but it just shows you are a registered citizen! the document is to be used to demonstrate your 'citizenship' to others who are curious about your citizenship but does not make you a citizen. Citizenship and Land ownership are not derived from the state.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Road nearing completion. #TanoTena
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/29/2011 Posts: 2,242
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hardwood wrote:Road nearing completion. #TanoTena
Great! I normally use this link road and it is amazing it can at times take one 10 minutes to drive from Ngong road to langata road via the link. Main challenge remains the traders who operate along the road in the Kibera stretch "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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