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Now Imperial Bank under receivership for 12 months
muganda
#21 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2015 12:08:33 PM
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Boris Boyka wrote:
obiero wrote:
a polite reminder on companies/stocks not to touch in the short term: transcentury, sameer, britam, eveready, express, kq, marshalls, olympia, carbacid, eabl, eapc, msc, home afrika, tpsea, kurwitu, uchumi

Finally KQ is on list

Curiously, Mr. Chris Diaz sits on the board of Imperial Bank.
Othelo
#22 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2015 12:09:46 PM
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majimaji wrote:

The GM Janmohammed died a few months back, no?

So he was the one hiding stuff under the carpet d'oh!
Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
Mainat
#23 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2015 12:17:05 PM
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A Shah was appointed CEO some 3 weeks ago.

Sehemu ndio nyumba
Mainat
#24 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2015 12:18:46 PM
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Notice we seem to be confusing liquidity with P&L(capital). A bank can survive capital shortage if it has strong liquidity, but will never survive liquidity shortage no matter how profitable or well capitalised.
Sehemu ndio nyumba
mugwanja
#25 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2015 12:34:16 PM
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It's not liquidity guys, Imperial bank's profile in the money markets has been very solid. Especially of late helped by cash from their bond issue. It's also not profits/ bad books, I work in the banking industry, everyone is shocked! We need to know what Gov.Patrick knows, there must be something cooking, maybe something illegal, money laundering... I can't think of anything else.
Msa Liti
#26 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2015 12:53:13 PM
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Hearing G*** too is in sh#t as well!


Don't quote me
rosa
#27 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2015 12:55:34 PM
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with imperial bank,what happens to the bond holders?
Mainat
#28 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2015 1:14:19 PM
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Please note that Imperial has not been declared bankrupt, its just been placed under CBK management.
If it goes into bankruptcy, the bondholders will be 2nd lowest rank i.e. just before shareholders
rosa wrote:
with imperial bank,what happens to the bond holders?

Sehemu ndio nyumba
Chaka
#29 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2015 1:24:15 PM
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Mainat wrote:
Please note that Imperial has not been declared bankrupt, its just been placed under CBK management.
If it goes into bankruptcy, the bondholders will be 2nd lowest rank i.e. just before shareholders
rosa wrote:
with imperial bank,what happens to the bond holders?



Who will be first?
majimaji
#30 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2015 1:30:10 PM
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Reminds me of the late 90's during Moi's days when political banks went down like a pack of cards.
Question is, is this the money that has been funding massive real estate developments in Nairobi?
Merit
#31 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2015 1:34:19 PM
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Do you think this happened just overnight and that no Branch Manager would have had any knowledge of the situation. I believe i was cheated and lied by a Branch Manager who said the Bank is more healthier today than it has been in the last 8 years causing me to transfer substanial sums of money in the last 5 days. This morning, i hear the bad news that Imperial Bank is under receivership by CBK. Talked with Branch Manager and she is leaving on vacation starting Thursday. The FDR was for a 4 month period. When can i expect to be paid and what about the 19.5% interest?
Sober
#32 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2015 1:46:36 PM
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So this means any account holder can only withdraw Ksh 100,000 or how does it go?
African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
Boris Boyka
#33 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2015 1:47:26 PM
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mugwanja wrote:
It's not liquidity guys, Imperial bank's profile in the money markets has been very solid. Especially of late helped by cash from their bond issue. It's also not profits/ bad books, I work in the banking industry, everyone is shocked! We need to know what Gov.Patrick knows, there must be something cooking, maybe something illegal, money laundering... I can't think of anything else.

If there is a problem, which is,then indeed Money Laundering is most probable.
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
willin2learn
#34 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2015 1:50:10 PM
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lisaox wrote:
For a bank that recently posted KES 2 billion profits after tax in the quarter ending March 2015 (https://www.imperialbankgroup.com/ke/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Q1-2015-financials.pdf) this is incredible. CBK should take responsibility for this now, they are clearly not performing their supervisory role as effectively as they should.


When it comes to Banks..Profit is a really Loose Word. Very Loose
Mainat
#35 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2015 1:51:46 PM
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Beancounters can give the gold advice, but my understanding is that it is usually people who for example have mortgages or have a fixed payment. Employees also rank pretty high
However, whoever is affected needs to contact KDIC fast.

Chaka wrote:
Mainat wrote:
Please note that Imperial has not been declared bankrupt, its just been placed under CBK management.
If it goes into bankruptcy, the bondholders will be 2nd lowest rank i.e. just before shareholders
rosa wrote:
with imperial bank,what happens to the bond holders?



Who will be first?

Sehemu ndio nyumba
willin2learn
#36 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2015 1:59:04 PM
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Mainat wrote:
Notice we seem to be confusing liquidity with P&L(capital). A bank can survive capital shortage if it has strong liquidity, but will never survive liquidity shortage no matter how profitable or well capitalised.


I believe even liquidity can be managed as long as the warning the dashboard provide early warning signs and corrective measures are taken way early enough. Clever banks reorient their focus to growing deposits as go slow on lending....
Mainat
#37 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2015 2:00:23 PM
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Mainat wrote:
Beancounters can give the gold advice, but my understanding is that it is usually people who for example have mortgages or have a fixed payment. Employees also rank pretty high
However, whoever is affected needs to contact KDIC fast.

Chaka wrote:
Mainat wrote:
Please note that Imperial has not been declared bankrupt, its just been placed under CBK management.
If it goes into bankruptcy, the bondholders will be 2nd lowest rank i.e. just before shareholders
rosa wrote:
with imperial bank,what happens to the bond holders?



Who will be first?



Below is the KDIC view
Residual payment.
57. (1) Subject to section 33, there shall be paid out of the assets
of the institution in liquidation in priority to all other debts-
(a) the following statutory debts—
40 No. 10 Kenya Deposit Insurance 2012
(i) all taxes and local rates due from the institution at the
relevant date and having become due and payable within
twelve months next before that date not exceeding in the
whole, one year's assessment;
(ii) all amounts due by the institution as the employer of any
person under National Social Security Fund in respect of
contributions payable during the period of twelve months
immediately preceding the relevant date;
(iii) all Government rents not more than one year in arrears;
(b) all proper costs, charges and expenses, including the
remuneration of staff of the Corporation appointed to liquidate
an institution;
(c) all wages or salaries in respect of services rendered to the
institution by any employee other than a director during four
months next before the relevant date and all wages, whether
payable for time or for piece work, or any workman or
labourer in respect of services so rendered;
(d) all amounts due in respect of any compensation or liability for
compensation under the Work Injury Benefits Act, No. 13 of
2007,being amounts which have accrued before the relevant
date.
(2) The debts in subsection (1) shall—
(a) rank equally to be paid in full, unless the assets are
insufficient to meet them, in which case the debts shall abate
in equal proportions; and
(b) so far as the assets of the institution available for payment of
general creditors are insufficient to meet them, have priority
over the claims of holders of debentures under any floating
charge created by the institution, and be paid accordingly out
of any property comprised in or subject to that charge.
(3) In the event of a landlord distraining or having distrained on
any goods or effects of the institution within six months next before the
date of a winding-up order, the debts to which priority is given by this
section shall be a first charge on the goods or effects so distrained on,
or the proceeds of the sale of the goods or effects.
Sehemu ndio nyumba
Mainat
#38 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2015 2:04:03 PM
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I think you missed my comment which is based on practical reality. Once a bank has serious liquidity issues, nobody can give you enough mbeca at a good price. In any case, liquidity is not about your ability to collect expensive deposits...

willin2learn wrote:
Mainat wrote:
Notice we seem to be confusing liquidity with P&L(capital). A bank can survive capital shortage if it has strong liquidity, but will never survive liquidity shortage no matter how profitable or well capitalised.


I believe even liquidity can be managed as long as the warning the dashboard provide early warning signs and corrective measures are taken way early enough. Clever banks reorient their focus to growing deposits as go slow on lending....

Sehemu ndio nyumba
gmg
#39 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2015 2:13:40 PM
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CBK bank supervision unit has been a cashcow foe many but with the new Governor mtu hana tamaa ya pesa its bound to happen. Citizen weekly the gutter had reported this issue sometimes last week
Bigchick
#40 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2015 2:13:53 PM
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There is another bank with a bond trading at very high rates???

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