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Smallest legal subdivision: Ruiru-Murera 40x60
lekamu
#1 Posted : Sunday, February 22, 2015 1:38:31 PM
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Hello Wazuans,

Does anyone know what the smallest legal subdivision in Ruiru-Murera is or a document I can find these zoning restrictions?

I read in an old post here that with 40x60 you can not get a title deed, yet there are these guys selling claiming to have title deeds for their plots!

http://shelta.co.ke/properties/ruiru-by-pass-plots/



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MaichBlack
#2 Posted : Sunday, February 22, 2015 4:52:41 PM
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50 by 100 is the minimum courtesy of Governor Bogs.

But if you got your title long ago, no one can stop you from selling your land because it is less than 50 by 100. You can sell and transfer your title.

There are fellows who get titles for smaller parcels by greasing some hands but the title will read 50 by 100 (in ha). There is always the word approx before the size after all.
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lekamu
#3 Posted : Sunday, February 22, 2015 5:11:41 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
50 by 100 is the minimum courtesy of Governor Bogs.

But if you got your title long ago, no one can stop you from selling your land because it is less than 50 by 100. You can sell and transfer your title.

There are fellows who get titles for smaller parcels by greasing some hands but the title will read 50 by 100 (in ha). There is always the word approx before the size after all.


Thank you for the info. These Shelta guys' titles show the size as approx 0.0213ha . So I bet then the only logical explanation is that they got the titles 'long time ago' for the small parcels they are transferring now.. although my first impression was that its a 'relatively new' (2002) company buying land and subdividing.

Any other insights?
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lekamu
#4 Posted : Sunday, February 22, 2015 11:50:43 PM
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lekamu wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
50 by 100 is the minimum courtesy of Governor Bogs.

But if you got your title long ago, no one can stop you from selling your land because it is less than 50 by 100. You can sell and transfer your title.

There are fellows who get titles for smaller parcels by greasing some hands but the title will read 50 by 100 (in ha). There is always the word approx before the size after all.


Thank you for the info. These Shelta guys' titles show the size as approx 0.0213ha . So I bet then the only logical explanation is that they got the titles 'long time ago' for the small parcels they are transferring now.. although my first impression was that its a 'relatively new' (2002) company buying land and subdividing.

Any other insights?



For the benefit of other Wazuans, I contacted one of the sales persons for Shelta and 'innocently' informed them that am aware of the embargo on 40x 60 registration. She informed me they already registered the parcels before the new bylaw and already have titles (hence its just transfering as [quote=MaichBlack] mentioned earlier).

Moreover, I have stumbled on this document specifying the new regulation on subdivisions in Kiambu county
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so
#5 Posted : Monday, February 23, 2015 10:50:08 AM
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MaichBlack wrote:
50 by 100 is the minimum courtesy of Governor Bogs.

But if you got your title long ago, no one can stop you from selling your land because it is less than 50 by 100. You can sell and transfer your title.

There are fellows who get titles for smaller parcels by greasing some hands but the title will read 50 by 100 (in ha). There is always the word approx before the size after all.



In such case, will the title be valid, out of ignorance
Ngogoyo
#6 Posted : Monday, February 23, 2015 10:53:58 AM
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lekamu wrote:
Hello Wazuans,

Does anyone know what the smallest legal subdivision in Ruiru-Murera is or a document I can find these zoning restrictions?

I read in an old post here that with 40x60 you can not get a title deed, yet there are these guys selling claiming to have title deeds for their plots!

http://shelta.co.ke/properties/ruiru-by-pass-plots/



https://www.facebook.com/699403220070110/photos/pcb.951282811548815/951282121548884/?type=1&theater


Its possible they got the titles before the new directive by Ka-buffalo. I got mine slightly bigger .031Ha ruiru/ruiru east/ block 2/..... about 2km from Ha-kairu. i could sell it to you smile
MaichBlack
#7 Posted : Monday, February 23, 2015 12:20:02 PM
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so wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
50 by 100 is the minimum courtesy of Governor Bogs.

But if you got your title long ago, no one can stop you from selling your land because it is less than 50 by 100. You can sell and transfer your title.

There are fellows who get titles for smaller parcels by greasing some hands but the title will read 50 by 100 (in ha). There is always the word approx before the size after all.



In such case, will the title be valid, out of ignorance

Yes!!! 100% valid. If someone bought a plot when 40 by 60 was a 'legal' size, you don't expect him to get 10 by 40 extra from outer space. Neither do you expect him/her never to sell or transfer the land. After all, you cannot recall the title.

Those who grease hands make sure the plot is larger than 40 by 80 but smaller than 50 by 100. It is next to impossible to get away with 40 by 60!! Last year there was a time they were too strict that ANYTHING less than 50 by 100 was not being cleared. I know of companies that had to re - subdivide their land again, have the buyers add more money and look for alternative for the guys who missed.

Unless these 40 by 60 fellows got their titles (early) 2013 or earlier, there is something very fishy!!!
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Sober
#8 Posted : Monday, February 23, 2015 12:35:48 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
so wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
50 by 100 is the minimum courtesy of Governor Bogs.

But if you got your title long ago, no one can stop you from selling your land because it is less than 50 by 100. You can sell and transfer your title.

There are fellows who get titles for smaller parcels by greasing some hands but the title will read 50 by 100 (in ha). There is always the word approx before the size after all.



In such case, will the title be valid, out of ignorance

Yes!!! 100% valid. If someone bought a plot when 40 by 60 was a 'legal' size, you don't expect him to 10 by 40 extra from outer space. Neither do you expect him/her never to sell or transfer the land. After all, you cannot recall the title.

Those who grease hands make sure the plot is larger than 40 by 80 but smaller than 50 by 100. It is next to impossible to get away with 40 by 60!! Last year there was a time they were too strict that ANYTHING less than 50 by 100 was not being cleared. I know of companies that had to re - subdivide their land again, have the buyers add more money and look for alternative for the guys who missed.

Unless these 40 by 60 fellows got their titles (early) 2013 or earlier, there is something very fishy!!!


Very true. If they go it earlier then there is no option, because i've not heard of land amalgamation
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Speculz
#9 Posted : Monday, February 23, 2015 12:39:36 PM
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What is the going rate for a 40*60 at murera? and how are people getting their plans approved for house construction on this pieces?
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lekamu
#10 Posted : Monday, February 23, 2015 1:10:10 PM
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Ngogoyo wrote:
lekamu wrote:
Hello Wazuans,

Does anyone know what the smallest legal subdivision in Ruiru-Murera is or a document I can find these zoning restrictions?

I read in an old post here that with 40x60 you can not get a title deed, yet there are these guys selling claiming to have title deeds for their plots!

http://shelta.co.ke/properties/ruiru-by-pass-plots/



https://www.facebook.com/699403220070110/photos/pcb.951282811548815/951282121548884/?type=1&theater


Its possible they got the titles before the new directive by Ka-buffalo. I got mine slightly bigger .031Ha ruiru/ruiru east/ block 2/..... about 2km from Ha-kairu. i could sell it to you smile


[quote=Ngogoyo] for how much is yours going?
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