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mkeiy wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Impunity wrote:And now freight charge is halved to only kes.35K for 20 TEU.
Tough times! The latest strategy is to force importers to use SGR. The clearing agents are up in arms. Will most likely end in court. Someone is really trying to paint this white elephant black. One month in operation and the reality is sinking in. David Ndii saw it four years ago. How will they force us? Apart from the large entities,most importers indicate Mombasa as the final destination. How will they know the ones to bring to Nairobi? Strange how when it comes to solving nairobi's transport crisis everyone recommends a public funded efficient transport system (light rail or bus). But when it comes to moving goods and people from mbs to nairobi everyone wants to go the "matatu way" even after govt has built an efficient and safe transport system (SGR).
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hardwood wrote:mkeiy wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Impunity wrote:And now freight charge is halved to only kes.35K for 20 TEU.
Tough times! The latest strategy is to force importers to use SGR. The clearing agents are up in arms. Will most likely end in court. Someone is really trying to paint this white elephant black. One month in operation and the reality is sinking in. David Ndii saw it four years ago. How will they force us? Apart from the large entities,most importers indicate Mombasa as the final destination. How will they know the ones to bring to Nairobi? Strange how when it comes to solving nairobi's transport crisis everyone recommends a public funded efficient transport system (light rail or bus). But when it comes to moving goods and people from mbs to nairobi everyone wants to go the "matatu way" even after govt has built an efficient and safe transport system (SGR). The SGR is not a white elephant. The fact is, it might not break even within the next four or five years given the huge capital outlay. Give it time, the market dynamics will sort out the fake political fears David Ndii and his ilk have.
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Iganamagana wrote:hardwood wrote:mkeiy wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Impunity wrote:And now freight charge is halved to only kes.35K for 20 TEU.
Tough times! The latest strategy is to force importers to use SGR. The clearing agents are up in arms. Will most likely end in court. Someone is really trying to paint this white elephant black. One month in operation and the reality is sinking in. David Ndii saw it four years ago. How will they force us? Apart from the large entities,most importers indicate Mombasa as the final destination. How will they know the ones to bring to Nairobi? Strange how when it comes to solving nairobi's transport crisis everyone recommends a public funded efficient transport system (light rail or bus). But when it comes to moving goods and people from mbs to nairobi everyone wants to go the "matatu way" even after govt has built an efficient and safe transport system (SGR). The SGR is not a white elephant. The fact is, it might not break even within the next four or five years given the huge capital outlay. Give it time, the market dynamics will sort out the fake political fears David Ndii and his ilk have. Ni siasa tu. Bonga points. They never process what they say. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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murchr wrote:Iganamagana wrote:hardwood wrote:mkeiy wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Impunity wrote:And now freight charge is halved to only kes.35K for 20 TEU.
Tough times! The latest strategy is to force importers to use SGR. The clearing agents are up in arms. Will most likely end in court. Someone is really trying to paint this white elephant black. One month in operation and the reality is sinking in. David Ndii saw it four years ago. How will they force us? Apart from the large entities,most importers indicate Mombasa as the final destination. How will they know the ones to bring to Nairobi? Strange how when it comes to solving nairobi's transport crisis everyone recommends a public funded efficient transport system (light rail or bus). But when it comes to moving goods and people from mbs to nairobi everyone wants to go the "matatu way" even after govt has built an efficient and safe transport system (SGR). The SGR is not a white elephant. The fact is, it might not break even within the next four or five years given the huge capital outlay. Give it time, the market dynamics will sort out the fake political fears David Ndii and his ilk have. Ni siasa tu. Bonga points. They never process what they say. The cargo train has been operational for a month and they want to label it a failure. They should talk to their most successful local Mama Mboga or Mutura vendor and gather how long it took them to break even (amidst daily losses and rotten stock). Business takes a while before picking. Remember the Safaricom Big Box marketing blitz. They sold only like 15,000 before going back to strategy meetings!
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Iganamagana wrote:murchr wrote:Iganamagana wrote:hardwood wrote:mkeiy wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Impunity wrote:And now freight charge is halved to only kes.35K for 20 TEU.
Tough times! The latest strategy is to force importers to use SGR. The clearing agents are up in arms. Will most likely end in court. Someone is really trying to paint this white elephant black. One month in operation and the reality is sinking in. David Ndii saw it four years ago. How will they force us? Apart from the large entities,most importers indicate Mombasa as the final destination. How will they know the ones to bring to Nairobi? Strange how when it comes to solving nairobi's transport crisis everyone recommends a public funded efficient transport system (light rail or bus). But when it comes to moving goods and people from mbs to nairobi everyone wants to go the "matatu way" even after govt has built an efficient and safe transport system (SGR). The SGR is not a white elephant. The fact is, it might not break even within the next four or five years given the huge capital outlay. Give it time, the market dynamics will sort out the fake political fears David Ndii and his ilk have. Ni siasa tu. Bonga points. They never process what they say. The cargo train has been operational for a month and they want to label it a failure. They should talk to their most successful local Mama Mboga or Mutura vendor and gather how long it took them to break even (amidst daily losses and rotten stock). Business takes a while before picking. Remember the Safaricom Big Box marketing blitz. They sold only like 15,000 before going back to strategy meetings! In my public finance unit many years ago, i was taught that Gava investment in infrastructure doesn't have to break even provided it promotes tangible economic, social aspects to 'we - the people' - provides a platform that can be exploited to better peoples life in whatever way. SGR is a good investment, only two downsides are the cost because of thieving Kenyans and probably maintenance as this aspect is always wanting in anything public be it county or national. Let us give it time!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Angelica _ann wrote:Iganamagana wrote:murchr wrote:Iganamagana wrote:hardwood wrote:mkeiy wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Impunity wrote:And now freight charge is halved to only kes.35K for 20 TEU.
Tough times! The latest strategy is to force importers to use SGR. The clearing agents are up in arms. Will most likely end in court. Someone is really trying to paint this white elephant black. One month in operation and the reality is sinking in. David Ndii saw it four years ago. How will they force us? Apart from the large entities,most importers indicate Mombasa as the final destination. How will they know the ones to bring to Nairobi? Strange how when it comes to solving nairobi's transport crisis everyone recommends a public funded efficient transport system (light rail or bus). But when it comes to moving goods and people from mbs to nairobi everyone wants to go the "matatu way" even after govt has built an efficient and safe transport system (SGR). The SGR is not a white elephant. The fact is, it might not break even within the next four or five years given the huge capital outlay. Give it time, the market dynamics will sort out the fake political fears David Ndii and his ilk have. Ni siasa tu. Bonga points. They never process what they say. The cargo train has been operational for a month and they want to label it a failure. They should talk to their most successful local Mama Mboga or Mutura vendor and gather how long it took them to break even (amidst daily losses and rotten stock). Business takes a while before picking. Remember the Safaricom Big Box marketing blitz. They sold only like 15,000 before going back to strategy meetings! In my public finance unit many years ago, i was taught that Gava investment in infrastructure doesn't have to break even provided it promotes tangible economic, social aspects to 'we - the people' - provides a platform that can be exploited to better peoples life in whatever way. SGR is a good investment, only two downsides are the cost because of thieving Kenyans and probably maintenance as this aspect is always wanting in anything public be it county or national. Let us give it time!!! We the people,plus our peoples president Rao Portfolio: Sold
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Angelica _ann wrote:Iganamagana wrote:murchr wrote:Iganamagana wrote:hardwood wrote:mkeiy wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Impunity wrote:And now freight charge is halved to only kes.35K for 20 TEU.
Tough times! The latest strategy is to force importers to use SGR. The clearing agents are up in arms. Will most likely end in court. Someone is really trying to paint this white elephant black. One month in operation and the reality is sinking in. David Ndii saw it four years ago. How will they force us? Apart from the large entities,most importers indicate Mombasa as the final destination. How will they know the ones to bring to Nairobi? Strange how when it comes to solving nairobi's transport crisis everyone recommends a public funded efficient transport system (light rail or bus). But when it comes to moving goods and people from mbs to nairobi everyone wants to go the "matatu way" even after govt has built an efficient and safe transport system (SGR). The SGR is not a white elephant. The fact is, it might not break even within the next four or five years given the huge capital outlay. Give it time, the market dynamics will sort out the fake political fears David Ndii and his ilk have. Ni siasa tu. Bonga points. They never process what they say. The cargo train has been operational for a month and they want to label it a failure. They should talk to their most successful local Mama Mboga or Mutura vendor and gather how long it took them to break even (amidst daily losses and rotten stock). Business takes a while before picking. Remember the Safaricom Big Box marketing blitz. They sold only like 15,000 before going back to strategy meetings! In my public finance unit many years ago, i was taught that Gava investment in infrastructure doesn't have to break even provided it promotes tangible economic, social aspects to 'we - the people' - provides a platform that can be exploited to better peoples life in whatever way. SGR is a good investment, only two downsides are the cost because of thieving Kenyans and probably maintenance as this aspect is always wanting in anything public be it county or national. Let us give it time!!! It's like when a man builds his family a house or buys a car to take the kids to school. The aim is not to break even or get a return on investment, rather it is to uplift the standard of living of "his people". Likewise the primary aim of ohuru on building the reli is for people to travel safely and efficiently and also move goods more efficiently. To uplift the standard of living of kenyans. Also SGR was expensive because a large chunk of the sgr money went to compensating people for their land from nrb to mombasa. So a huge portion of the sgr was eaten by wananchi via compensation. https://www.capitalfm.co...nsation-in-sgr-phase-i/
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Iganamagana wrote:murchr wrote:Iganamagana wrote:hardwood wrote:mkeiy wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Impunity wrote:And now freight charge is halved to only kes.35K for 20 TEU.
Tough times! The latest strategy is to force importers to use SGR. The clearing agents are up in arms. Will most likely end in court. Someone is really trying to paint this white elephant black. One month in operation and the reality is sinking in. David Ndii saw it four years ago. How will they force us? Apart from the large entities,most importers indicate Mombasa as the final destination. How will they know the ones to bring to Nairobi? Strange how when it comes to solving nairobi's transport crisis everyone recommends a public funded efficient transport system (light rail or bus). But when it comes to moving goods and people from mbs to nairobi everyone wants to go the "matatu way" even after govt has built an efficient and safe transport system (SGR). The SGR is not a white elephant. The fact is, it might not break even within the next four or five years given the huge capital outlay. Give it time, the market dynamics will sort out the fake political fears David Ndii and his ilk have. Ni siasa tu. Bonga points. They never process what they say. The cargo train has been operational for a month and they want to label it a failure. They should talk to their most successful local Mama Mboga or Mutura vendor and gather how long it took them to break even (amidst daily losses and rotten stock). Business takes a while before picking. Remember the Safaricom Big Box marketing blitz. They sold only like 15,000 before going back to strategy meetings! Finally, someone has given the best example. The Safaricom big box has been re-launched for the third time. This time with amazing data offers. 3000 for 30GB. It has been a total flop in the market. Out of those 15,000 you are mentioning, only a third of them are active. It is safaricom's worst performing product of all time. Blaze comes a close second. They have both eaten millions in marketing. SGR was meant to reduce transport costs by 40%. That was the message from the president and his deputy. It hasn't and it will never achieve that objective. Now it's even unable to pay its loans. And cannot even get customers to utilize it. It wasn't meant to save Mombasa road from congestion. It wasn't meant to reduce accidents. No wonder the govt is throwing another 300bn to expand Mombasa highway.
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FRM2011 wrote:Iganamagana wrote:murchr wrote:Iganamagana wrote:hardwood wrote:mkeiy wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Impunity wrote:And now freight charge is halved to only kes.35K for 20 TEU.
Tough times! The latest strategy is to force importers to use SGR. The clearing agents are up in arms. Will most likely end in court. Someone is really trying to paint this white elephant black. One month in operation and the reality is sinking in. David Ndii saw it four years ago. How will they force us? Apart from the large entities,most importers indicate Mombasa as the final destination. How will they know the ones to bring to Nairobi? Strange how when it comes to solving nairobi's transport crisis everyone recommends a public funded efficient transport system (light rail or bus). But when it comes to moving goods and people from mbs to nairobi everyone wants to go the "matatu way" even after govt has built an efficient and safe transport system (SGR). The SGR is not a white elephant. The fact is, it might not break even within the next four or five years given the huge capital outlay. Give it time, the market dynamics will sort out the fake political fears David Ndii and his ilk have. Ni siasa tu. Bonga points. They never process what they say. The cargo train has been operational for a month and they want to label it a failure. They should talk to their most successful local Mama Mboga or Mutura vendor and gather how long it took them to break even (amidst daily losses and rotten stock). Business takes a while before picking. Remember the Safaricom Big Box marketing blitz. They sold only like 15,000 before going back to strategy meetings! Finally, someone has given the best example. The Safaricom big box has been re-launched for the third time. This time with amazing data offers. 3000 for 30GB. It has been a total flop in the market. Out of those 15,000 you are mentioning, only a third of them are active. It is safaricom's worst performing product of all time. Blaze comes a close second. They have both eaten millions in marketing. SGR was meant to reduce transport costs by 40%. That was the message from the president and his deputy. It hasn't and it will never achieve that objective. Now it's even unable to pay its loans. And cannot even get customers to utilize it. It wasn't meant to save Mombasa road from congestion. It wasn't meant to reduce accidents. No wonder the govt is throwing another 300bn to expand Mombasa highway. You are seriously comparing SGR to Safcom's Big Box?  When did the road to King'ong'o break even and give returns to GOK? Come on people we are more intelligent than this "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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FRM2011 wrote:Iganamagana wrote:murchr wrote:Iganamagana wrote:hardwood wrote:mkeiy wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Impunity wrote:And now freight charge is halved to only kes.35K for 20 TEU.
Tough times! The latest strategy is to force importers to use SGR. The clearing agents are up in arms. Will most likely end in court. Someone is really trying to paint this white elephant black. One month in operation and the reality is sinking in. David Ndii saw it four years ago. How will they force us? Apart from the large entities,most importers indicate Mombasa as the final destination. How will they know the ones to bring to Nairobi? Strange how when it comes to solving nairobi's transport crisis everyone recommends a public funded efficient transport system (light rail or bus). But when it comes to moving goods and people from mbs to nairobi everyone wants to go the "matatu way" even after govt has built an efficient and safe transport system (SGR). The SGR is not a white elephant. The fact is, it might not break even within the next four or five years given the huge capital outlay. Give it time, the market dynamics will sort out the fake political fears David Ndii and his ilk have. Ni siasa tu. Bonga points. They never process what they say. The cargo train has been operational for a month and they want to label it a failure. They should talk to their most successful local Mama Mboga or Mutura vendor and gather how long it took them to break even (amidst daily losses and rotten stock). Business takes a while before picking. Remember the Safaricom Big Box marketing blitz. They sold only like 15,000 before going back to strategy meetings! Finally, someone has given the best example. The Safaricom big box has been re-launched for the third time. This time with amazing data offers. 3000 for 30GB. It has been a total flop in the market. Out of those 15,000 you are mentioning, only a third of them are active. It is safaricom's worst performing product of all time. Blaze comes a close second. They have both eaten millions in marketing. SGR was meant to reduce transport costs by 40%. That was the message from the president and his deputy. It hasn't and it will never achieve that objective. Now it's even unable to pay its loans. And cannot even get customers to utilize it. It wasn't meant to save Mombasa road from congestion. It wasn't meant to reduce accidents. No wonder the govt is throwing another 300bn to expand Mombasa highway. Reducing transport cost of cargo containers from 80k to current 35k is more than 40% reduction. As a businessman what would you choose to pay - 80k or 35k? Also the railway is being funded via a 1.5% Railway development levy for all cargo imports and this has been raising 20B each year meaning the SGR will be fully paid for in about 15yrs. FYI i imported a Toyota Rav 4 2yrs ago and paid thousands to the levy. I want to add that only an idiot would claim that SGR hasn't reduced road accidents or reduced congestion at kilindini. Also this railway will serve kenya for the next 200yrs plus and therefore we should not pass a judgement after only 6 months, your opinion should come after 199yrs....if you will be alive by then. https://www.businessdail...123320-pimsci/index.html
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Building a railway is like building a power line to a previously unconnected town. Thus you do not judge the powerline based on the number of KPLC tokens sold but rather by the economic output and lifestyle/security improvements on the town due to the power supply.
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I do not see the need to electrify the rail yet, I mean, KPLC would need to get things in order first and we all know that is a tall order. But....I have noted an interesting trend on "reduction" of costs on most infrastructure projects. SubStandard Nov 3 2017 wrote:
Plans to electrify the Mombasa-Nairobi Standard Gauge Railway (SGR) in four years’ time could cost the taxpayer an additional Sh65 billion.
The Ministry of Transport had initially put the cost of upgrading the 609km of railway track between the two cities at Sh49 billion, which is 15 per cent of the overall cost of Sh327 billion. The upgrade is expected to boost the speed and efficiency of train services along the line as well as bring down the cost of running the diesel-powered locomotives as the electricity used will be generated from cheap energy sources.
https://www.standardmedi...set-to-hit-sh65-billion
Kenyanwallstreet wrote:Kenyans can now expect an electric railway system in two years after Kenya Electricity Transmission Company (KETRACO) signed a KES 24.2 billion contract with CET (China Electric Power Equipment and Technology Company Limited) to electrify the SGR. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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hardwood wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Iganamagana wrote:murchr wrote:Iganamagana wrote:hardwood wrote:mkeiy wrote:FRM2011 wrote:[quote=Impunity]And now freight charge is halved to only kes.35K for 20 TEU.
Tough times! The latest strategy is to force importers to use SGR. The clearing agents are up in arms. Will most likely end in court. Someone is really trying to paint this white elephant black. One month in operation and the reality is sinking in. David Ndii saw it four years ago. How will they force us? Apart from the large entities,most importers indicate Mombasa as the final destination. How will they know the ones to bring to Nairobi? Strange how when it comes to solving nairobi's transport crisis everyone recommends a public funded efficient transport system (light rail or bus). But when it comes to moving goods and people from mbs to nairobi everyone wants to go the "matatu way" even after govt has built an efficient and safe transport system (SGR). The SGR is not a white elephant. The fact is, it might not break even within the next four or five years given the huge capital outlay. Give it time, the market dynamics will sort out the fake political fears David Ndii and his ilk have. Ni siasa tu. Bonga points. They never process what they say. The cargo train has been operational for a month and they want to label it a failure. They should talk to their most successful local Mama Mboga or Mutura vendor and gather how long it took them to break even (amidst daily losses and rotten stock). Business takes a while before picking. Remember the Safaricom Big Box marketing blitz. They sold only like 15,000 before going back to strategy meetings! Finally, someone has given the best example. The Safaricom big box has been re-launched for the third time. This time with amazing data offers. 3000 for 30GB. It has been a total flop in the market. Out of those 15,000 you are mentioning, only a third of them are active. It is safaricom's worst performing product of all time. Blaze comes a close second. They have both eaten millions in marketing. SGR was meant to reduce transport costs by 40%. That was the message from the president and his deputy. It hasn't and it will never achieve that objective. Now it's even unable to pay its loans. And cannot even get customers to utilize it. It wasn't meant to save Mombasa road from congestion. It wasn't meant to reduce accidents. No wonder the govt is throwing another 300bn to expand Mombasa highway. Reducing transport cost of cargo containers from 80k to current 35k is more than 40% reduction. As a businessman what would you choose to pay - 80k or 35k? Also the railway is being funded via a 1.5% Railway development levy for all cargo imports and this has been raising 20B each year meaning the SGR will be fully paid for in about 15yrs. FYI i imported a Toyota Rav 4 2yrs ago and paid thousands to the levy. I want to add that only an idiot would claim that SGR hasn't reduced road accidents or reduced congestion at kilindini. Also this railway will serve kenya for the next 200yrs plus and therefore we should not pass a judgement after only 6 months, your opinion should come after 199yrs....if you will be alive by then. https://www.businessdail...23320-pimsci/index.html[/quote] If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Swenani wrote:hardwood wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Iganamagana wrote:murchr wrote:Iganamagana wrote:hardwood wrote:mkeiy wrote:FRM2011 wrote:[quote=Impunity]And now freight charge is halved to only kes.35K for 20 TEU.
Tough times! The latest strategy is to force importers to use SGR. The clearing agents are up in arms. Will most likely end in court. Someone is really trying to paint this white elephant black. One month in operation and the reality is sinking in. David Ndii saw it four years ago. How will they force us? Apart from the large entities,most importers indicate Mombasa as the final destination. How will they know the ones to bring to Nairobi? Strange how when it comes to solving nairobi's transport crisis everyone recommends a public funded efficient transport system (light rail or bus). But when it comes to moving goods and people from mbs to nairobi everyone wants to go the "matatu way" even after govt has built an efficient and safe transport system (SGR). The SGR is not a white elephant. The fact is, it might not break even within the next four or five years given the huge capital outlay. Give it time, the market dynamics will sort out the fake political fears David Ndii and his ilk have. Ni siasa tu. Bonga points. They never process what they say. The cargo train has been operational for a month and they want to label it a failure. They should talk to their most successful local Mama Mboga or Mutura vendor and gather how long it took them to break even (amidst daily losses and rotten stock). Business takes a while before picking. Remember the Safaricom Big Box marketing blitz. They sold only like 15,000 before going back to strategy meetings! Finally, someone has given the best example. The Safaricom big box has been re-launched for the third time. This time with amazing data offers. 3000 for 30GB. It has been a total flop in the market. Out of those 15,000 you are mentioning, only a third of them are active. It is safaricom's worst performing product of all time. Blaze comes a close second. They have both eaten millions in marketing. SGR was meant to reduce transport costs by 40%. That was the message from the president and his deputy. It hasn't and it will never achieve that objective. Now it's even unable to pay its loans. And cannot even get customers to utilize it. It wasn't meant to save Mombasa road from congestion. It wasn't meant to reduce accidents. No wonder the govt is throwing another 300bn to expand Mombasa highway. Reducing transport cost of cargo containers from 80k to current 35k is more than 40% reduction. As a businessman what would you choose to pay - 80k or 35k? Also the railway is being funded via a 1.5% Railway development levy for all cargo imports and this has been raising 20B each year meaning the SGR will be fully paid for in about 15yrs. FYI i imported a Toyota Rav 4 2yrs ago and paid thousands to the levy.
I want to add that only an idiot would claim that SGR hasn't reduced road accidents or reduced congestion at kilindini. Also this railway will serve kenya for the next 200yrs plus and therefore we should not pass a judgement after only 6 months, your opinion should come after 199yrs....if you will be alive by then. https://www.businessdail...23320-pimsci/index.html[/quote] PM ama MYK?
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Gordon Gekko wrote:YoungMulla wrote:Lolest! wrote:Uram wrote:Wamunyota wrote:streetwise wrote:Great. This was the right move which ever way.
Just for curisity sake what will be the maximum speed for the train..I want to calculate how long it will take from Msa to NBI
Must be faxe. Speed 120 km/h 120 km/hr for passenger train and 80km/hr for cargo train That would be great.it would mean getting to Msa in approx 5hrs. I hear the current reli will take you days Good stuff  So I can eat fish in Msa for lunch and be back in Nbo before dark? You're assuming at least twice daily service. The lunatic express can't manage three trips a week..... I haven't seen @Gordon_Gekko of late.
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https://www.businessdail...92980-11r6yg1/index.htmlIn the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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FRM2011 wrote:mkeiy wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Impunity wrote:And now freight charge is halved to only kes.35K for 20 TEU.
Tough times! The latest strategy is to force importers to use SGR. The clearing agents are up in arms. Will most likely end in court. Someone is really trying to paint this white elephant black. One month in operation and the reality is sinking in. David Ndii saw it four years ago. How will they force us? Apart from the large entities,most importers indicate Mombasa as the final destination. How will they know the ones to bring to Nairobi? Kifwa released a statement on Friday. Apparently, KPA has stopped nomination of CFS effective today and that all unnominated containers consigned to importers upcountry have to be railed to Embakasi via SGR. My question was & is,how will they know what is for Nairobi and what is for Mombasa? My offices could be in Nairobi but I sell to agents in Mombasa. They are opening themselves up for litigation. More taxpayers' money to the drain. Nchi ya majambazi.
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hardwood wrote:mkeiy wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Impunity wrote:And now freight charge is halved to only kes.35K for 20 TEU.
Tough times! The latest strategy is to force importers to use SGR. The clearing agents are up in arms. Will most likely end in court. Someone is really trying to paint this white elephant black. One month in operation and the reality is sinking in. David Ndii saw it four years ago. How will they force us? Apart from the large entities,most importers indicate Mombasa as the final destination. How will they know the ones to bring to Nairobi? Strange how when it comes to solving nairobi's transport crisis everyone recommends a public funded efficient transport system (light rail or bus). But when it comes to moving goods and people from mbs to nairobi everyone wants to go the "matatu way" even after govt has built an efficient and safe transport system (SGR). @hardwood. What is strange is your inability to appreciate concerns raised. Ni ujingaaaaa ama ni ugonjwa?
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hardwood wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Iganamagana wrote:murchr wrote:Iganamagana wrote:hardwood wrote:mkeiy wrote:FRM2011 wrote:[quote=Impunity]And now freight charge is halved to only kes.35K for 20 TEU.
Tough times! The latest strategy is to force importers to use SGR. The clearing agents are up in arms. Will most likely end in court. Someone is really trying to paint this white elephant black. One month in operation and the reality is sinking in. David Ndii saw it four years ago. How will they force us? Apart from the large entities,most importers indicate Mombasa as the final destination. How will they know the ones to bring to Nairobi? Strange how when it comes to solving nairobi's transport crisis everyone recommends a public funded efficient transport system (light rail or bus). But when it comes to moving goods and people from mbs to nairobi everyone wants to go the "matatu way" even after govt has built an efficient and safe transport system (SGR). The SGR is not a white elephant. The fact is, it might not break even within the next four or five years given the huge capital outlay. Give it time, the market dynamics will sort out the fake political fears David Ndii and his ilk have. Ni siasa tu. Bonga points. They never process what they say. The cargo train has been operational for a month and they want to label it a failure. They should talk to their most successful local Mama Mboga or Mutura vendor and gather how long it took them to break even (amidst daily losses and rotten stock). Business takes a while before picking. Remember the Safaricom Big Box marketing blitz. They sold only like 15,000 before going back to strategy meetings! Finally, someone has given the best example. The Safaricom big box has been re-launched for the third time. This time with amazing data offers. 3000 for 30GB. It has been a total flop in the market. Out of those 15,000 you are mentioning, only a third of them are active. It is safaricom's worst performing product of all time. Blaze comes a close second. They have both eaten millions in marketing. SGR was meant to reduce transport costs by 40%. That was the message from the president and his deputy. It hasn't and it will never achieve that objective. Now it's even unable to pay its loans. And cannot even get customers to utilize it. It wasn't meant to save Mombasa road from congestion. It wasn't meant to reduce accidents. No wonder the govt is throwing another 300bn to expand Mombasa highway. Reducing transport cost of cargo containers from 80k to current 35k is more than 40% reduction. As a businessman what would you choose to pay - 80k or 35k? Also the railway is being funded via a 1.5% Railway development levy for all cargo imports and this has been raising 20B each year meaning the SGR will be fully paid for in about 15yrs. FYI i imported a Toyota Rav 4 2yrs ago and paid thousands to the levy. I want to add that only an idiot would claim that SGR hasn't reduced road accidents or reduced congestion at kilindini. Also this railway will serve kenya for the next 200yrs plus and therefore we should not pass a judgement after only 6 months, your opinion should come after 199yrs....if you will be alive by then. https://www.businessdail...23320-pimsci/index.html[/quote] I ask again.
Why is the government forcefully loading shipments to SGR without importer's authority?
In my sector, most guys have their offices here in Nairobi yet some sell their imports in Mombasa. They never bring them to Nairobi. Especially Kenyans of Arab descent.
You forcefully bring such a shipment to Nairobi then what?
Ujinga ingine watu waache!
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mkeiy wrote:hardwood wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Iganamagana wrote:murchr wrote:Iganamagana wrote:hardwood wrote:mkeiy wrote:FRM2011 wrote:[quote=Impunity]And now freight charge is halved to only kes.35K for 20 TEU.
Tough times! The latest strategy is to force importers to use SGR. The clearing agents are up in arms. Will most likely end in court. Someone is really trying to paint this white elephant black. One month in operation and the reality is sinking in. David Ndii saw it four years ago. How will they force us? Apart from the large entities,most importers indicate Mombasa as the final destination. How will they know the ones to bring to Nairobi? Strange how when it comes to solving nairobi's transport crisis everyone recommends a public funded efficient transport system (light rail or bus). But when it comes to moving goods and people from mbs to nairobi everyone wants to go the "matatu way" even after govt has built an efficient and safe transport system (SGR). The SGR is not a white elephant. The fact is, it might not break even within the next four or five years given the huge capital outlay. Give it time, the market dynamics will sort out the fake political fears David Ndii and his ilk have. Ni siasa tu. Bonga points. They never process what they say. The cargo train has been operational for a month and they want to label it a failure. They should talk to their most successful local Mama Mboga or Mutura vendor and gather how long it took them to break even (amidst daily losses and rotten stock). Business takes a while before picking. Remember the Safaricom Big Box marketing blitz. They sold only like 15,000 before going back to strategy meetings! Finally, someone has given the best example. The Safaricom big box has been re-launched for the third time. This time with amazing data offers. 3000 for 30GB. It has been a total flop in the market. Out of those 15,000 you are mentioning, only a third of them are active. It is safaricom's worst performing product of all time. Blaze comes a close second. They have both eaten millions in marketing. SGR was meant to reduce transport costs by 40%. That was the message from the president and his deputy. It hasn't and it will never achieve that objective. Now it's even unable to pay its loans. And cannot even get customers to utilize it. It wasn't meant to save Mombasa road from congestion. It wasn't meant to reduce accidents. No wonder the govt is throwing another 300bn to expand Mombasa highway. Reducing transport cost of cargo containers from 80k to current 35k is more than 40% reduction. As a businessman what would you choose to pay - 80k or 35k? Also the railway is being funded via a 1.5% Railway development levy for all cargo imports and this has been raising 20B each year meaning the SGR will be fully paid for in about 15yrs. FYI i imported a Toyota Rav 4 2yrs ago and paid thousands to the levy. I want to add that only an idiot would claim that SGR hasn't reduced road accidents or reduced congestion at kilindini. Also this railway will serve kenya for the next 200yrs plus and therefore we should not pass a judgement after only 6 months, your opinion should come after 199yrs....if you will be alive by then. https://www.businessdail...23320-pimsci/index.html[/quote] I ask again.
Why is the government forcefully loading shipments to SGR without importer's authority?
In my sector, most guys have their offices here in Nairobi yet some sell their imports in Mombasa. They never bring them to Nairobi. Especially Kenyans of Arab descent.
You forcefully bring such a shipment to Nairobi then what?
Ujinga ingine watu waache!
Clearly wrong. Someone should be surcharged for such folly!
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