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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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Rahatupu wrote:Impunity wrote:Rahatupu wrote:@hardwood @impunity,why can't these trains make more than 1 trip per day.....Eg morning, afternoon and evening? Coz we have dimwits running the railways. I'd suspected the same. BTW what became of an operator to run the railway? Heard bids were invited. Who EXACTLY are the dimwits? Is it the Government of the Republic of Kenya? Is it The Government of the Peoples' Republic of China? Is it the China Road and Bridge Corporation? Who, What, and where is this animal called the "Standard Gauge Railway Oversight Authority" Who should address issues, such as those raised herein below? Pray would someone enlighten me (us). Quote:A storm is brewing between newly-trained Standard Gauge Railway (SGR) staff, the Chinese and the government, The Nairobian can reveal.
This comes after 102 students trained on SGR operations at the Railways Training Institute accused the China Road and Bridge Corporation (CRBC) of discrimination, harassment, corruption and underpayment.
The team has also accused the Kenya Railways Corporation (KRC) and the Standard Gauge Railway Oversight Authority of “failing in their mandate” after they raised the matter only to be given empty promises.
They accuse the CRBC human resource boss Navy Wang of demeaning them by saying that, “You Kenyans are very many and desperate for jobs, so this is a favour we are doing you”.
The pioneer students wrote to State House, KRC boss Atanas Maina and government ministries, protesting discrimination against Kenyans by the Chinese and especially against ladies perceived as not capable of delivering in some areas they trained in. Source Article Link:
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/16/2011 Posts: 2,260
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Who can help me in these Mathematics/accounting?
-Spent shs 430 Billions to build SGR
-Ticket range from shs 700- 3000
-Capacity per travel......?
-Operation costs per day (Labour, food, water, fuel, taxes and commissions, )
Question- How long will it take to repay that 430 billions roughly?
This is all I want!!!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/8/2008 Posts: 1,575
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Realtreaty wrote:Who can help me in these Mathematics/accounting?
-Spent shs 430 Billions to build SGR
-Ticket range from shs 700- 3000
-Capacity per travel......?
-Operation costs per day (Labour, food, water, fuel, taxes and commissions, )
Question- How long will it take to repay that 430 billions roughly?
This is all I want!!! You forgot Teus, the supposedly money minting machine  I care!
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/15/2009 Posts: 371
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Realtreaty wrote:Who can help me in these Mathematics/accounting?
-Spent shs 430 Billions to build SGR
-Ticket range from shs 700- 3000, cargo?, non-express trains?
-Capacity per travel......?
-Operation costs per day (Labour, food, water, fuel, taxes and commissions, )
Question- How long will it take to repay that 430 billions roughly?
This is all I want!!! Government is not in the business of making returns on investment.It is facilitating business and providing basic amenities. I can also pose these questions: How long will Thika Highway break even? How long will it take the government to recoup its money on the security cameras? .......etc
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,517
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2015 stats. Total Port Cargo Volume = 27 million ton (includes transit/bulk,conventional cargo) No record of humanitarian cargo but my estimates are 9,000teus(will ignore this) Containerised cargo only was 1.1million teus 2017- (Additional cargo handling capacity) Teus Projection=1.6 million Assuming that 1million teus will use SGR 1m× kes 50,000= Kes 50,000,000,000 430b payable in approx 9yrs. We have not factored other types of non-containerised cargo or revenue from passenger services. Correct me if I am wrong. "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/15/2009 Posts: 359
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essyk wrote:2015 stats.
Total Port Cargo Volume = 27 million ton
(includes transit/bulk,conventional cargo)
No record of humanitarian cargo but my estimates are 9,000teus(will ignore this)
Containerised cargo only was 1.1million teus
2017- (Additional cargo handling capacity)
Teus Projection=1.6 million
Assuming that 1million teus will use SGR
1m× kes 50,000= Kes 50,000,000,000
430b payable in approx 9yrs.
We have not factored other types of non-containerised cargo or revenue from passenger services.
Correct me if I am wrong.
The 1.1 million is both incoming and outgoing, and I doubt empty containers going back to the port will be charged the same, I think at best sgr will be handling 1/3 of all containers, that will be about 400k containers in 2018.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,517
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shocks wrote:essyk wrote:2015 stats.
Total Port Cargo Volume = 27 million ton
(includes transit/bulk,conventional cargo)
No record of humanitarian cargo but my estimates are 9,000teus(will ignore this)
Containerised cargo only was 1.1million teus
2017- (Additional cargo handling capacity)
Teus Projection=1.6 million
Assuming that 1million teus will use SGR
1m× kes 50,000= Kes 50,000,000,000
430b payable in approx 9yrs.
We have not factored other types of non-containerised cargo or revenue from passenger services.
Correct me if I am wrong.
The 1.1 million is both incoming and outgoing, and I doubt empty containers going back to the port will be charged the same, I think at best sgr will be handling 1/3 of all containers, that will be about 400k containers in 2018. 1.1 m was Incoming (Imports) and Outgoing (Exports) Full Container Loads or Teus 2 yrs ago. There has been tremendous growth in volume with the addition of a 2nd container terminal whose cargo handling capacity is apprx 500k teus.I have therefore put my 2017 projections at an average 1.6m TEUS. So if SGR=1/3 of 1.6m ×50,000/= Annual TEUS revenue= 27billion Now add conventional cargo,(it's billed per weight or volume and not teus) transit cargo (give a low estimate of 20,000 teus yrly)and passenger revenue. Less the operating costs.. and give us the time. "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/1/2009 Posts: 1,882
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Caveman wrote:Realtreaty wrote:Who can help me in these Mathematics/accounting?
-Spent shs 430 Billions to build SGR
-Ticket range from shs 700- 3000, cargo?, non-express trains?
-Capacity per travel......?
-Operation costs per day (Labour, food, water, fuel, taxes and commissions, )
Question- How long will it take to repay that 430 billions roughly?
This is all I want!!! Government is not in the business of making returns on investment.It is facilitating business and providing basic amenities. I can also pose these questions: How long will Thika Highway break even? How long will it take the government to recoup its money on the security cameras? .......etc i wonder how long it would take the government recoup all the money it has spent in hospitals too.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Realtreaty wrote:Who can help me in these Mathematics/accounting?
-Spent shs 430 Billions to build SGR
-Ticket range from shs 700- 3000
-Capacity per travel......?
-Operation costs per day (Labour, food, water, fuel, taxes and commissions, )
Question- How long will it take to repay that 430 billions roughly?
This is all I want!!! Also, who can help you in this other mathematics/accounting? Government spent billions to build ndakaini dam and tunnels to supply water to nairobians, which they sell very cheaply. How will they recover the billions? They should have abandoned the projects and let mkokoteni guys sell borehole water to you at 5 bob per mtungi.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/4/2015 Posts: 241 Location: Kahno
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/5/2011 Posts: 1,059
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A welcome relief BUT why complicate this by calling, they sure don't have enough lines to handle the traffic, a website like jambojets, an app or ussd like the okoa stima one would have been better, lets see how it works. To Each His Own
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,325 Location: Masada
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essyk wrote:shocks wrote:essyk wrote:2015 stats.
Total Port Cargo Volume = 27 million ton
(includes transit/bulk,conventional cargo)
No record of humanitarian cargo but my estimates are 9,000teus(will ignore this)
Containerised cargo only was 1.1million teus
2017- (Additional cargo handling capacity)
Teus Projection=1.6 million
Assuming that 1million teus will use SGR
1m× kes 50,000= Kes 50,000,000,000
430b payable in approx 9yrs.
We have not factored other types of non-containerised cargo or revenue from passenger services.
Correct me if I am wrong.
The 1.1 million is both incoming and outgoing, and I doubt empty containers going back to the port will be charged the same, I think at best sgr will be handling 1/3 of all containers, that will be about 400k containers in 2018. 1.1 m was Incoming (Imports) and Outgoing (Exports) Full Container Loads or Teus 2 yrs ago. There has been tremendous growth in volume with the addition of a 2nd container terminal whose cargo handling capacity is apprx 500k teus.I have therefore put my 2017 projections at an average 1.6m TEUS. So if SGR=1/3 of 1.6m ×50,000/= Annual TEUS revenue= 27billion Now add conventional cargo,(it's billed per weight or volume and not teus) transit cargo (give a low estimate of 20,000 teus yrly)and passenger revenue. Less the operating costs.. and give us the time. Passenger service will bear no profit. Do not count it. It can't even pay the fuel for the locos. Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,517
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Forget Passenger then. Increase wagons and daily frequency, improve timelines to clear. Cargo alone is good enough business. "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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They can actually do 10 passenger trains per day (5 from nbi and 5 from mbs) and also do 10 cargo trains each night (5 from mbs and 5 from nbi). That is 20 trains every 24hrs. That way the reli will be well utilized.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,325 Location: Masada
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hardwood wrote:They can actually do 10 passenger trains per day (5 from nbi and 5 from mbs) and also do 10 cargo trains each night (5 from mbs and 5 from nbi). That is 20 trains every 24hrs. That way the reli will be well utilized. Who are these guys making all those 10 trips? Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/17/2010 Posts: 572
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hardwood wrote:They can actually do 10 passenger trains per day (5 from nbi and 5 from mbs) and also do 10 cargo trains each night (5 from mbs and 5 from nbi). That is 20 trains every 24hrs. That way the reli will be well utilized. How many passing loops does this track have, how many trains can be safely and efficiently deployed every hour on this track, We need the numbers on these queries so as to speculate on the anticipated revenue, The single track coupled with issues of efficiency and safety will be the bane of this project, How I wish they would have done the double track then open up the rail to different investors of passenger and cargo services 'One headache for famous medieval holy people was that someone might murder you to acquire your body parts for the relics trade'
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,517
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Impunity wrote:hardwood wrote:They can actually do 10 passenger trains per day (5 from nbi and 5 from mbs) and also do 10 cargo trains each night (5 from mbs and 5 from nbi). That is 20 trains every 24hrs. That way the reli will be well utilized. Who are these guys making all those 10 trips? What is the train's full passenger capacity? "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,325 Location: Masada
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essyk wrote:Impunity wrote:hardwood wrote:They can actually do 10 passenger trains per day (5 from nbi and 5 from mbs) and also do 10 cargo trains each night (5 from mbs and 5 from nbi). That is 20 trains every 24hrs. That way the reli will be well utilized. Who are these guys making all those 10 trips? What is the train's full passenger capacity? One train,one way max 1,200 pax. Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Six trains per day starting tomorrow...3 each way.... http://www.businessdaily...2754-j959gvz/index.html
Quote:The first train, which will make stopovers at stations like Voi and Mtito Andei along the way, will depart from Mombasa at 8 a.m. while the second - which will be express - will depart at 9 a.m.
The third train will also be express and will depart from the port city at 3 p.m. ..
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/17/2010 Posts: 572
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hardwood wrote:Six trains per day starting tomorrow...3 each way.... http://www.businessdaily...2754-j959gvz/index.html
Quote:The first train, which will make stopovers at stations like Voi and Mtito Andei along the way, will depart from Mombasa at 8 a.m. while the second - which will be express - will depart at 9 a.m.
The third train will also be express and will depart from the port city at 3 p.m. .. i can wager there will be no inter county train leaving tomorrow, was there yesterday and what is in the article above is a stark contrast to what the seemingly clueless officials at the station told me 'One headache for famous medieval holy people was that someone might murder you to acquire your body parts for the relics trade'
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