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kapedo massacre
Angelica _ann
#41 Posted : Tuesday, November 04, 2014 2:24:03 PM
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ZZE123 wrote:
McReggae wrote:
"These people (Pokot) are Kalenjins and I am one of them. Kalenjins don't kill people without a reason. I don't want you to use force on these people because that will not help anything; it will only be a temporary measure!". This is Gideon Moi to Uhuru.

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limanika
#42 Posted : Tuesday, November 04, 2014 6:58:39 PM
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Why did the police travel in only one lorry? If it never crossed the ‘commander’s mind that the police could be surrounded and outnumbered by bandits, this means there are no covert intelligence personnel ‘operating alongside’ the bandits, but that in fact the bandits have covert intelligence personnel ‘operating within’ the disciplined forces? I am so angry that our police still wait to act after heinous crimes are committed by gangs, 12 century mentality, instead of deploying covert intelligence to pre-empt and dismantle these networks. Why do we pay taxes?
harrydre
#43 Posted : Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:19:19 PM
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newfarer
#44 Posted : Wednesday, November 05, 2014 6:55:28 AM
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shame on the mutura and avocado bellied bosses. the blood of these poor youngmen is crying for you.


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#45 Posted : Wednesday, November 05, 2014 9:19:30 AM
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kiash
#46 Posted : Wednesday, November 05, 2014 12:13:23 PM
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Kihara joni wrote:
Uhuru is squarely to blame for this, IG is a pastor maybe he says the bandits are forgiven as the book says when one cheek is hit turn the other,
then we have the cook who in one interview said he is reading books and watching YouTube videos on how to deal with security, my suggestion send the military, ban cattle movement past 6pm,or better still subdivide and give titles for those community lands.


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#47 Posted : Wednesday, November 05, 2014 2:55:31 PM
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kiash wrote:
Kihara joni wrote:
Uhuru is squarely to blame for this, IG is a pastor maybe he says the bandits are forgiven as the book says when one cheek is hit turn the other,
then we have the cook who in one interview said he is reading books and watching YouTube videos on how to deal with security, my suggestion send the military, ban cattle movement past 6pm,or better still subdivide and give titles for those community lands.


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Wainadi
#48 Posted : Wednesday, November 05, 2014 4:27:47 PM
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[quote=newfarer]shame on the mutura and avocado bellied bosses. the blood of these poor youngmen is crying for you.


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30hrs, with no help? Thats is Kenya for you.
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Angelica _ann
#49 Posted : Wednesday, November 05, 2014 5:37:15 PM
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Flags at half mast now is the honour! Shame!
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#50 Posted : Wednesday, November 05, 2014 8:03:56 PM
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Peace negotiations in northern Kenya makes the Kibaki-Raila thing look like child's play.

-First,you negotiate with the elders (very old men),whereas they may not(usually) necessarily have started the conflict.
-Before the negotiations begin,you are there thinking that is it just some border conflict,or stolen cows. But once they begin, you will usually be referred to conflicts that happened generations ago (maybe 200 years ago), which you cannot in any way trivialize.
-Both sides have more than one set of weapons, so voluntary disarmament makes no sense.They will always agree to it.
-Disarming one side means declaring genocide to the other side. The other side here may also include ethnicities from Uganda or Ethiopia.
-Most of the times, things look cool,calm. But when shit happens, it really does happen.
-The fact that things are most of the times calm means that it doesn't make sense permanently station high number of police in these regions.
-The fact that things are most of the times calm also means that it is easier to lay ambush or make surprise attacks to the police camps over there. For along time, the attacking group would attack police posts and steal bullets, guns, na mafuta ya bunduki. The police would call for reinforcement later and follow the rustlers. These days they seem to have dropped that practice, they ambush and kill.
-Also,the communities here are very secretive and they do not trust each other,a fact that makes the negotiations harder.
-The young here are hardened both by the weather, and the harsh conditions.After stealing the cows they hide deep in the dry forests.They also know how to aim well.
-They are Kenyans, you can't just kill them the way you'd kill an external invading army.The local leaders will also oppose any efforts to involve the military.

All in all, a lot of work (and time) needs to be invested in these regions if things are to change.
Nevertheless,with the ultimatum that the President has given, and with the type of Police that we have, worsened by the fact that over 20 policemen were killed(not counting the Baragoi ones), kuna watu hiyo area wata tii, for quite some time.
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#51 Posted : Wednesday, November 05, 2014 8:41:40 PM
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if only insecurity cld be sorted out, Kenya will be a first world country by 2030

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Boris Boyka
#52 Posted : Wednesday, November 05, 2014 8:56:54 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Flags at half mast now is the honour! Shame!

That's the First honour for men in arms who die! no shame. failure to do so ni madharau. Though I don't mean it's the last.
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
Boris Boyka
#53 Posted : Wednesday, November 05, 2014 8:59:09 PM
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obiero wrote:
if only insecurity cld be sorted out, Kenya will be a first world country by 2030

Insecurity CAN'T be sorted out by the GVT but by CITIZENS!!! tafakari.
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
newfarer
#54 Posted : Saturday, November 08, 2014 7:10:57 AM
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now we are talking

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Njung'e
#55 Posted : Saturday, November 08, 2014 1:42:17 PM
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Sema kunyorothwo.....The residents will know to never invite the army.
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Kaigangio
#56 Posted : Saturday, November 08, 2014 3:23:37 PM
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On a serious note how do you expect the policeman below to go looking for bandits in the ragged areas of kapedo or even suguta valley???



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kyt
#57 Posted : Saturday, November 08, 2014 6:46:27 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
Sema kunyorothwo.....The residents will know to never invite the army.

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D32
#58 Posted : Saturday, November 08, 2014 7:49:04 PM
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Bandits do what bandits do, it's just that our security did not, what security is supposed to.

Intelligence, planning, tactics, backup, equipment - all lacking. Those in office have been put there for a specific purpose.

They've failed over and over again, how many times do they have to fail before heads roll?



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newfarer
#59 Posted : Saturday, November 08, 2014 9:34:31 PM
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time to go for the inciters in the name of leaders. one by one

kdf should get them one by one to tell us what they know about kapedo massacre.


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madhaquer
#60 Posted : Wednesday, January 27, 2021 1:00:02 AM
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Judging by the current events around the area, I wonder how focused and organised our security forces are around maters security in the marginalized areas.
This rustlers just get braver and braver and in each case, the govt is left to lick wounds while they get away with lackluster disarmament programs.
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