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Is Semenya a Man or is He a Woman?
Ken K
#21 Posted : Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:32:00 PM
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Tajiri,

'the other extreme are females who have male genetic make up...live all their lives as females only to found as males during infertility investigation.'

Just wondering... the chap gets kaangwad all her life only to figure out that he could be kanyangaing? That's emotional confusion.
Wendz
#22 Posted : Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:57:00 PM
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@Njung'e

Yeah,now i confirm what someone said!!! You are still smoking it,alot of it!!! looooolest!

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kaza
#23 Posted : Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:15:00 PM
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Magigi
#24 Posted : Wednesday, August 19, 2009 4:13:00 PM
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...eureka...eureka...eureka!!! She is neither...!!!
m water
#25 Posted : Wednesday, August 19, 2009 8:02:00 PM
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she/he has just nyakua-d the gold in 1.55
jepkosgei silver in 1.57
a whole 2 sec gap!!!!!!!!!
left the rest of the field in her wake
na hacheki na watu..................literally

tuweke amani for all the people
Mpenzi
#26 Posted : Thursday, August 20, 2009 12:18:00 AM
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Gender-row runner wins 800m world title





Semenya streets the field to take gold in the women's 800m final.

Dan Silkstone,Berlin







August 20,2009 - 8:12AM



Faced with plenty of questions and no satisfactory answers,the IAAF chose to delay a decision on the eligibilty of controversial 800m runner Caster Semenya last night,allowing the South African to win the women's 800m in a performance so dominant it verged on mockery.

Semenya was cleared to run but not cleared of the allegations and questions that have dogged her all week,as South African officials were ordered to organise more complex gender testing to determine whether her world title will stand or fall.

In a way it was the worst possible outcome,but one that was hard to avoid. With plenty of questions and few answers hanging over her head,the South African powered home to annihilate a world class field,winning by more than 20 metres.

Afterwards,the reception form the passionate athletics crowd in Berlin's Olympic Stadium was muted to say the least. While second-placed Kenyan Janeth Jepkosgei and third placed Jennifer Meadows of Great Britain stayed out on the track and soaked up applause during a victory lap,the South African quickly disappeared into the bowels of the stadium.

IAAF secretary general Pierre Weiss took Semenya's place at the press conference.

'I am replacing the winner here tonight. A double investigation is being conducted - one in South Africa,one in Berlin,' he said.

Weiss said that it would be improper to put such an inexperienced athlete up for interview given the circumstances.

'We know you want to talk to her,but she is young,she is inexperienced and she is not able to reply properly to all your questions,'' he said.

'I will answer for her. The decision not to put her up her was taken by the IAAF and the South African federation.''

'If at the end of the investigation we find out she is not a woman,we will withdraw the medal and redistribute it. But there is nothing which would have stopped her from running today.'

http://www.theage.com.au...08/20/1250362146133.html
Mpenzi
#27 Posted : Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:11:00 AM
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I wonder whether a similarly talented white athlete would be subjected to these kinds of genetic tests. Like someone suggested below the presence of a vagina and absence of a penis should be sufficient. Does anyone know of similar tests conducted in the past?
Mpenzi
#28 Posted : Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:21:00 AM
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Further to my last comment below,I have found some information on these genetic tests and instances where they have been used in the past. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/..._verification_in_sports

At the very least they remain controversial - quoting from the abovementioned source:

'A commentary published in the Journal of the American Medical Association stated,
'gender verification tests are difficult,expensive,and potentially inaccurate. Furthermore,these tests fail to exclude all potential impostors (eg,some 46,XX males),are discriminatory against women with disorders of sexual development,and may have shattering consequences for athletes who 'fail' a test.' [3]


The article also states:


'Gender verification has long been criticized by geneticists,endocrinologists,and others in the medical community. One major problem was unfairly excluding women who had a birth defect involving gonads and external genitalia (i.e.,male pseudohermaphroditism). ...
A second problem is that only women,not men,were stigmatized by gender verification testing. Systematic follow-up was rarely available for female athletes 'failing' the test,which often was performed under very public circumstances. Follow-up was crucial because the problem was not male impostors,but rather confusion caused by misunderstanding of male pseudohermaphroditism.' [3]



simonkabz
#29 Posted : Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:48:00 AM
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In which category would a shemale participate? M or F?

The only reason why some people are still alive is coz its illegal to shoot them!!
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
Magigi
#30 Posted : Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:39:00 AM
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...so does all these mean that the fact that one has one or the other organ is not prove enough that he is a male of female...? asi!! Then we all need to be tested...


vin
#31 Posted : Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:43:00 AM
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After wining a race,athletes hug and shake hands,how many ladies hugged Semenya.

viento
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FundamentAli
#32 Posted : Thursday, August 20, 2009 6:42:00 AM
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I would hate to be in his*/her shoes.

He*/she will need a lot of conselling after this saga. If she happens to be verified as a he,his life will be destroyed.




Fundamentals + Sentiments = Position
smano
#33 Posted : Thursday, August 20, 2009 7:25:00 AM
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If she's declared a he,maybe with proper training he can beat kina Kamel and Asbel. Someone pointed out in another post (not sure which) that they conducted the same test for Mutola a while back,never made public the results but allowed her to continue running...

smano
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Impunity
#34 Posted : Thursday, August 20, 2009 8:52:00 AM
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@smano..........Mutola is better coz she even have obvious big breast and some butts.Lakini huyu Semeaya hana hizi.

@vin............ladies fear greating/hugging her/him coz u never know,in that tired state she/he can just enter u.


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Pierce
#35 Posted : Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:00:00 AM
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@ Impunity,

'enter u'...........................ooooooooh my G you are crazy!!
Njunge
#36 Posted : Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:14:00 AM
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Jameni..........!!....From that picture i can see a 'gearbox' outline

Old man about town....
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kamaumash
#37 Posted : Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:40:00 AM
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In south Africa,Zimbabwe and even Uganda. women having men features is a very common thing.

invest slowly on a monthly basis dont wait till ati u get millions
smano
#38 Posted : Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:42:00 AM
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@Njung'e,LMAO,ni fudhi mingi,ama fat lips,lets give her the benefit of doubt until after testing.

smano
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Wendz
#39 Posted : Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:46:00 AM
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If the results turn out that she is a SHE,can she sue these two institutions for 'Emotional Distress?'

Some deals are like glass. Sometimes it's better to leave them broken than try to hurt yourself putting it back together.
Mtu Biz
#40 Posted : Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:47:00 AM
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@ kamaumash..... Hata hapa south C

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