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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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I just hope the 2.2 billion locos were brand new and not refurbished engines which once operated in some coal mines in Arizona desert. I hope also that this will herald a new chapter in the railway industry. I am glad the management faced west and got those GE locos, I was afraid they would have faced East and come bought some uglish looking locos, like the one proposed for the subStandard railways!... Congrats and I believe a few locos at least 4 locos will be dedicated for the ailing or non existence passenger service between Mombasa-Nairobi-Kisumu. One thing they need to urgently do is the fast track the repair of the rail tracks since a new train will not move any faster on a poor track! Ni hayo tu. ION: Is TransCentury still part of RVR? Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/30/2008 Posts: 6,029
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Impunity wrote:I just hope the 2.2 billion locos were brand new and not refurbished engines which once operated in some coal mines in Arizona desert. I hope also that this will herald a new chapter in the railway industry. I am glad the management faced west and got those GE locos, I was afraid they would have faced East and come bought some uglish looking locos, like the one proposed for the subStandard railways!... Congrats and I believe a few locos at least 4 locos will be dedicated for the ailing or non existence passenger service between Mombasa-Nairobi-Kisumu. One thing they need to urgently do is the fast track the repair of the rail tracks since a new train will not move any faster on a poor track! Ni hayo tu. ION: Is TransCentury still part of RVR? It is unfortunate you were not selected to be part of the transport advisory committee,if only Nduva Muli and Michael Kamau could appoint you to replace the lacklustre Atanas Maina as MD Kenya Railways!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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A confused lot who dont knw the relationship btn RVR, and TCL. RVR and KR even more comical is the fact that a dude drives a 3rd hand car but wants to see new trains in a 3rd world contry mmh!...#whistlingasiwalkaway "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/11/2007 Posts: 694
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mawinder wrote:Impunity wrote:I just hope the 2.2 billion locos were brand new and not refurbished engines which once operated in some coal mines in Arizona desert. I hope also that this will herald a new chapter in the railway industry. I am glad the management faced west and got those GE locos, I was afraid they would have faced East and come bought some uglish looking locos, like the one proposed for the subStandard railways!... Congrats and I believe a few locos at least 4 locos will be dedicated for the ailing or non existence passenger service between Mombasa-Nairobi-Kisumu. One thing they need to urgently do is the fast track the repair of the rail tracks since a new train will not move any faster on a poor track! Ni hayo tu. ION: Is TransCentury still part of RVR? It is unfortunate you were not selected to be part of the transport advisory committee,if only Nduva Muli and Michael Kamau could appoint you to replace the lacklustre Atanas Maina as MD Kenya Railways!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! @ Impunity was just raising his concerns and he is happy they didn't go to shaina 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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I am saddened to have learnt a very bitter truths about these "brand new" locos...The newest loco among the 20 being bought is actually 30 years old. These locos are re-furbished afetr extensive usage by Santa Fe,in Dixmoor, Illinois, USA!!!! A bright chap just went to some scrap yard huko Illinois and picked some heavy scrap metal, dusted them, cleaned them, sprayed them with fresh paintwork and then sell them to Nyeuthi at 2.2 Billion Kenya shilling! @Peter Tosh(pbuhr) once sung that "...unajiringa na kumbe you are just nothing but a brand new second hand..."  ION: Some the class 94 diesel electric locos (U26C) currently in Kenya and which were bought in mid 80s by the Moi regime are actually newer than these Locos just bought by RVR.pbuhr = peace be upon his rasta. Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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These guys didnt even know that SA manufactures locos under licence from GE, they should have considered that option. Afadhali 5 really brand new locos that will not fail/stall than 20 brand new second hands that will spend half of their lives in loco-sheds. Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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Assuming the price is right, does the age matter, the thing is just being dragged and on a century old track, may be these were the only fit available. Also remember that our line is a narrow gauge, is it a case of having no alternatives due to phase out. I ain't no expert but I do believe RVR are the experts on matters rail. However having said that @impunity seems to have serious passion railway and I do reepect your views as well. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Assuming the price is right, does the age matter, the thing is just being dragged and on a century old track, may be these were the only fit available.
Also remember that our line is a narrow gauge, is it a case of having no alternatives due to phase out.
I ain't no expert but I do believe RVR are the experts on matters rail. However having said that @impunity seems to have serious passion railway and I do reepect your views as well. The meter-gauge we have is not obsolete, its our minds that have been made to be obsolete by dimwits! Brazil is the largest meter-gauge operator in the world and they track haul massive tonnage that will shame most European countries running on Standard gauge. Brazil narrow gauge/meter gauge is a massive 23,000km while the standard gauge is a mere 200!!!! Brazil has some of the heaviest trains in the world, and you know what,these run on the meter gauge track Nyeuthi in Kenya are cursing. Th standard gauge was just an arbitrarily size set by some fat muzungu so that we could have a world wide uniformity of tracks but its does not have absolute superiority/advantage to other track-gauges. Brazil is hilly and so is Switzerland and so is Kenya (Rift valley etal), the best affordable track to run is the narrow gauge coz it negotiates the bends very well...Brazil trains are doing safe speeds in the region of 120km/h, na hawaringi... My main beef is with the RVR management which called these locos brand new and worse is our Nyeuthis media who ran with the hook plus the sinker!!!  Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/27/2010 Posts: 951 Location: Nyumbani
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Impunity wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Assuming the price is right, does the age matter, the thing is just being dragged and on a century old track, may be these were the only fit available.
Also remember that our line is a narrow gauge, is it a case of having no alternatives due to phase out.
I ain't no expert but I do believe RVR are the experts on matters rail. However having said that @impunity seems to have serious passion railway and I do reepect your views as well. The meter-gauge we have is not obsolete, its our minds that have been made to be obsolete by dimwits! Brazil is the largest meter-gauge operator in the world and they track haul massive tonnage that will shame most European countries running on Standard gauge. Brazil narrow gauge/meter gauge is a massive 23,000km while the standard gauge is a mere 200!!!! Brazil has some of the heaviest trains in the world, and you know what,these run on the meter gauge track Nyeuthi in Kenya are cursing. Th standard gauge was just an arbitrarily size set by some fat muzungu so that we could have a world wide uniformity of tracks but its does not have absolute superiority/advantage to other track-gauges. Brazil is hilly and so is Switzerland and so is Kenya (Rift valley etal), the best affordable track to run is the narrow gauge coz it negotiates the bends very well...Brazil trains are doing safe speeds in the region of 120km/h, na hawaringi... My main beef is with the RVR management which called these locos brand new and worse is our Nyeuthis media who rain with hook plus the sinker!!! 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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kiash wrote:Impunity wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Assuming the price is right, does the age matter, the thing is just being dragged and on a century old track, may be these were the only fit available.
Also remember that our line is a narrow gauge, is it a case of having no alternatives due to phase out.
I ain't no expert but I do believe RVR are the experts on matters rail. However having said that @impunity seems to have serious passion railway and I do reepect your views as well. The meter-gauge we have is not obsolete, its our minds that have been made to be obsolete by dimwits! Brazil is the largest meter-gauge operator in the world and they track haul massive tonnage that will shame most European countries running on Standard gauge. Brazil narrow gauge/meter gauge is a massive 23,000km while the standard gauge is a mere 200!!!! Brazil has some of the heaviest trains in the world, and you know what,these run on the meter gauge track Nyeuthi in Kenya are cursing. Th standard gauge was just an arbitrarily size set by some fat muzungu so that we could have a world wide uniformity of tracks but its does not have absolute superiority/advantage to other track-gauges. Brazil is hilly and so is Switzerland and so is Kenya (Rift valley etal), the best affordable track to run is the narrow gauge coz it negotiates the bends very well...Brazil trains are doing safe speeds in the region of 120km/h, na hawaringi... My main beef is with the RVR management which called these locos brand new and worse is our Nyeuthis media who rain with hook plus the sinker!!! @kisah hapo kwenyu mnatumia which class of diesel electric locomotives? I was astonished last time I was in Long beach California to learn that nearly 90% of all trains in that prosperous state are diesel-electric...and mind you we dont have a truly high speed train in the whole US!!!! Yet the nyeuthis in Jubilee and wazua think Kenya should be having a high speed line from JKIA to City centre...shock on them! To them anything doing 150kh/h is "highspeed" The Danish-made DMEUs can do 200km/h comfortably, Israel just bought a couple of units recently! DMEU = Diesel Multiple Electric Units.Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/27/2010 Posts: 951 Location: Nyumbani
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Impunity wrote:kiash wrote:Impunity wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Assuming the price is right, does the age matter, the thing is just being dragged and on a century old track, may be these were the only fit available.
Also remember that our line is a narrow gauge, is it a case of having no alternatives due to phase out.
I ain't no expert but I do believe RVR are the experts on matters rail. However having said that @impunity seems to have serious passion railway and I do reepect your views as well. The meter-gauge we have is not obsolete, its our minds that have been made to be obsolete by dimwits! Brazil is the largest meter-gauge operator in the world and they track haul massive tonnage that will shame most European countries running on Standard gauge. Brazil narrow gauge/meter gauge is a massive 23,000km while the standard gauge is a mere 200!!!! Brazil has some of the heaviest trains in the world, and you know what,these run on the meter gauge track Nyeuthi in Kenya are cursing. Th standard gauge was just an arbitrarily size set by some fat muzungu so that we could have a world wide uniformity of tracks but its does not have absolute superiority/advantage to other track-gauges. Brazil is hilly and so is Switzerland and so is Kenya (Rift valley etal), the best affordable track to run is the narrow gauge coz it negotiates the bends very well...Brazil trains are doing safe speeds in the region of 120km/h, na hawaringi... My main beef is with the RVR management which called these locos brand new and worse is our Nyeuthis media who rain with hook plus the sinker!!! @kisah hapo kwenyu mnatumia which class of diesel electric locomotives? I was astonished last time I was in Long beach California to learn that nearly 90% of all trains in that prosperous state are diesel-electric...and mind you we dont have a truly high speed train in the whole US!!!! Yet the nyeuthis in Jubilee and wazua think Kenya should be having a high speed line from JKIA to City centre...shock on them! To them anything doing 150kh/h is "highspeed" The Danish-made DMEUs can do 200km/h comfortably, Israel just bought a couple of units recently! DMEU = Diesel Multiple Electric Units. Hehe nilihama, nowadays using Shinkansen. aka TGV aka Bullet train. Funny thing is the Americans prefer bus and planes as their mode of transport whereas in some countries in Europe like France they prefer the TGV (Train Grand Vitesse) which do more than 300KPH. I do not expect anything doing more than 200KPH in Kenya soon. Look at the accidents that happen on railway crossings just because guys did not obey the lights. Now come to Kenya where almost no one obeys the lights and see how many will die. As for the 2 Billions on old engines i wonder how much one costs.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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kiash wrote:Impunity wrote:kiash wrote:Impunity wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Assuming the price is right, does the age matter, the thing is just being dragged and on a century old track, may be these were the only fit available.
Also remember that our line is a narrow gauge, is it a case of having no alternatives due to phase out.
I ain't no expert but I do believe RVR are the experts on matters rail. However having said that @impunity seems to have serious passion railway and I do reepect your views as well. The meter-gauge we have is not obsolete, its our minds that have been made to be obsolete by dimwits! Brazil is the largest meter-gauge operator in the world and they track haul massive tonnage that will shame most European countries running on Standard gauge. Brazil narrow gauge/meter gauge is a massive 23,000km while the standard gauge is a mere 200!!!! Brazil has some of the heaviest trains in the world, and you know what,these run on the meter gauge track Nyeuthi in Kenya are cursing. Th standard gauge was just an arbitrarily size set by some fat muzungu so that we could have a world wide uniformity of tracks but its does not have absolute superiority/advantage to other track-gauges. Brazil is hilly and so is Switzerland and so is Kenya (Rift valley etal), the best affordable track to run is the narrow gauge coz it negotiates the bends very well...Brazil trains are doing safe speeds in the region of 120km/h, na hawaringi... My main beef is with the RVR management which called these locos brand new and worse is our Nyeuthis media who rain with hook plus the sinker!!! @kisah hapo kwenyu mnatumia which class of diesel electric locomotives? I was astonished last time I was in Long beach California to learn that nearly 90% of all trains in that prosperous state are diesel-electric...and mind you we dont have a truly high speed train in the whole US!!!! Yet the nyeuthis in Jubilee and wazua think Kenya should be having a high speed line from JKIA to City centre...shock on them! To them anything doing 150kh/h is "highspeed" The Danish-made DMEUs can do 200km/h comfortably, Israel just bought a couple of units recently! DMEU = Diesel Multiple Electric Units. Hehe nilihama, nowadays using Shinkansen. aka TGV aka Bullet train. Funny thing is the Americans prefer bus and planes as their mode of transport whereas in some countries in Europe like France they prefer the TGV (Train Grand Vitesse) which do more than 300KPH. I do not expect anything doing more than 200KPH in Kenya soon. Look at the accidents that happen on railway crossings just because guys did not obey the lights. Now come to Kenya where almost no one obeys the lights and see how many will die. As for the 2 Billions on old engines i wonder how much one costs. Eti one engine costs Kes. 110 million, thats the price of a regular Bugatti Veyron! Portfolio: Sold
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