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Elliott Wave Analysis Of The NSE 20
moneydust
#601 Posted : Friday, July 31, 2015 2:58:32 PM
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Metasploit wrote:
Its bad..very bad

Those critical multi year support are being broken like i dont know what

This is where one is required to have the nerves of steel..
Metasploit
#602 Posted : Friday, July 31, 2015 3:03:16 PM
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Greed came in Equity and KCB to sustain price above 37 and 45 respectively.

But for how long ? Holes have been poked and weaknesses exposed.

For equity 35-36 was the entire 2013 support level!!!!

Next support is 20s.This is worse and fast than we thought

“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.”
Metasploit
#603 Posted : Friday, July 31, 2015 3:09:44 PM
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oct 2013 to june 2014 KCB support at 48.Already breached.

Next support is 40-41 and then we hit the 2012 lows.

@ Hisah its unimaginable that this is now a real possibility.Just shocked at the speed..If soo how will 2016 behave considering banks will report flat or negative figuresPray Pray

“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.”
hisah
#604 Posted : Friday, July 31, 2015 4:10:46 PM
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Metasploit wrote:
oct 2013 to june 2014 KCB support at 48.Already breached.

Next support is 40-41 and then we hit the 2012 lows.

@ Hisah its unimaginable that this is now a real possibility.Just shocked at the speed..If soo how will 2016 behave considering banks will report flat or negative figuresPray Pray

The swift reversal of the entire 2014 and 2013 rally is indeed a shocker! d'oh!

If we continue this way PPT will start being active openly when the market circuit breakers start triggering!

Top 5 Losers board reads
KAPC - 9.92% down @218
KQ - 9.52% down @5.70
ARM - 8.70% down @63
BAT - 7.14% down @741
NBK - 5.50% down @18.90

Been a while since I saw such heavy losses in the top 5 losers board.

2016 will be a bargains galore at this rate!

$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
Aguytrying
#605 Posted : Friday, July 31, 2015 4:47:21 PM
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@hisah. If things are happening faster than anticipated, would it not mean that the end and recovery will be ahead of schedule. Or the bear has to run its course no matter what
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hisah
#606 Posted : Friday, July 31, 2015 5:13:03 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
@hisah. If things are happening faster than anticipated, would it not mean that the end and recovery will be ahead of schedule. Or the bear has to run its course no matter what

We're not yet at that point. Panic central will be very clear. E.g. the index falling by 5% or more in a week.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#607 Posted : Friday, July 31, 2015 7:19:50 PM
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NSE20 closes @4404. Very slippery here as support levels get sliced.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
Aguytrying
#608 Posted : Friday, July 31, 2015 7:56:52 PM
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hisah wrote:
NSE20 closes @4404. Very slippery here as support levels get sliced.


I'm loving the madness. It's beautiful. Today 1.84% was shed.

The hopefuls will soon dissappear. I'm surprised my laggards have hardly moved. I think they already hammered to begin with. I cashed out of overvalued stocks like a year before this bear point, but I wasn't trying to predict the future. Just process
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
snipermnoma
#609 Posted : Saturday, August 01, 2015 6:33:04 AM
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Having a target is excellent advice. Like your tagline says "The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself." This rings true for me. I have had to learn to watch my appetite, to enable me set reasonable targets and book profits when they are reached. Then re-enter if it makes sense. Now it is time to wait for the bear to rampage then re-enter just after the recovery begins.

Aguytrying wrote:
snipermnoma wrote:
I have been sitting it out, exited a bit too early but the clouds turned grey and my risk tolerance threshold was crossed so I liquidated a couple of months ago. Now the bear is roaming in town and bargains are going to be available. I dare say with the oncoming dip, the problem is going to be too many options available. Which counters to pick up and which ones to pass. Better start your planning now so that when time comes you strike without second guessing yourself.


Way ahead of you. I have targets and target prices(range). compiled in february 2015. But I see you are hunting them in sniperly fashion as well
snipermnoma
#610 Posted : Saturday, August 01, 2015 6:43:41 AM
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I know you said "may" but it is looking ever so unlikely. The macro economy doesn't point to a bounce. Looking at the chart you posted we are in a wave iii, unless I'm not seeing something.

Do your chats show you otherwise?

mnandii wrote:
Relax!

Don't panic.

A strong bounce in the NSE 20 Share Index may yet be on the cards!

mnandii
#611 Posted : Saturday, August 01, 2015 2:10:22 PM
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snipermnoma wrote:
I know you said "may" but it is looking ever so unlikely. The macro economy doesn't point to a bounce. Looking at the chart you posted we are in a wave iii, unless I'm not seeing something.

Do your chats show you otherwise?

mnandii wrote:
Relax!

Don't panic.

A strong bounce in the NSE 20 Share Index may yet be on the cards!



Am posting soon.

If you look at the sentence I have underlined, do you know the reason you have said that? smile

If you read The Wave Principle of Human Social Behaviour you'll find out the why.



It is called linear thinking. And don't worry. smile Majority of people practice it.

Basically you contend that the market will continue falling because it has been falling. Read that sloowwlly. And it means you are predicting the past.



Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
snipermnoma
#612 Posted : Saturday, August 01, 2015 6:01:36 PM
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mnandii wrote:
snipermnoma wrote:
I know you said "may" but it is looking ever so unlikely. The macro economy doesn't point to a bounce. Looking at the chart you posted we are in a wave iii, unless I'm not seeing something.

Do your chats show you otherwise?

mnandii wrote:
Relax!

Don't panic.

A strong bounce in the NSE 20 Share Index may yet be on the cards!



Am posting soon.

If you look at the sentence I have underlined, do you know the reason you have said that? smile

If you read The Wave Principle of Human Social Behaviour you'll find out the why.



It is called linear thinking. And don't worry. smile Majority of people practice it.

Basically you contend that the market will continue falling because it has been falling. Read that sloowwlly. And it means you are predicting the past.





Thanks, I'm open to learning so I will look for the book. If you are right and a bounce is on the way then being in the majority sucks! smile
hisah
#613 Posted : Saturday, August 01, 2015 9:40:38 PM
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NSE20 aiming for the 4000pts zone.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
mnandii
#614 Posted : Saturday, August 01, 2015 11:46:37 PM
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hisah wrote:


NSE20 aiming for the 4000pts zone.

Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
mnandii
#615 Posted : Sunday, August 02, 2015 1:15:29 AM
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Here is the analysis.

I have looked at the NSE 20 share Index Chart several times and as yet I don't see any responsible way to label the fall from March '2015 high of 5499.64 as a continuing C wave.

My reasons are as outlined below.



I posted a similar chart this year. The labels are maintained except that in the case I am outlining now, black wave (B) is not complete. Instead, the rise from the Nov. 2011 low of 3103.04 (here labelled as green wave X) upto the Mar.'15 high of 5499.64 is labelled as an impulse wave [a] (in blue colour). The pattern is clearer in a chart from www.investing.com which I'll use to analyse the short term.

From the outset, I believe that a large Elliott Wave flat pattern is forming in the NSE 20 Index ever since the all-time top at 6161.46.

A flat consists of waves A, B and C where wave A is a three (i.e a corrective pattern), Wave B is a three and Wave C is a motive wave (a diagonal or an impulse wave, or simply a five-wave pattern). In our case here, black wave (A) of the flat consists of a zigzag (i.e green waves A, B and C). Black Wave (B) is the formation currently underway and should eventually consist of green waves W, X and Y.

W, X and Y are compound waves consisting of simpler corrective patterns (In Elliott Wave Literature the simple corrective patterns are ZigZags (5-3-5), Flats (3-3-5) and Triangles (3-3-3-3-3).

Now, there are rules pertaining to the formation of flats. Rules must never be broken. The guiding rule in this case is that in a flat, the B wave is always at least 90% of the A wave.

Now, if I assume that black wave (B) ended at 5499.64 in Mar.'15 then how much will it have retraced wave (A)?

Black wave (A) = {6161.46 - 2360.01} = 3801.45

If black wave (B) ended at 5499.64 then

Black wave (B) = {5499.64 - 2360.01} = 3139.63

3139.63 /3801.45 = 82.59%

i.e black wave (B) will be 82.59% of wave (A) and therefore less than the required 90%.

This therefore suggests that we should expect the NSE 20 Share Index to rise at least above 5499.64 level before calling the end of wave (B). And this is why I have hinted in the past that the Index should rise soon.

And there are targets to aim for as outlined below:

Target 1:

In a flat correction, the B wave is usually a Fibonacci 1.236 times the A wave.

Black wave (A) = {6161.46 - 2360.01} = 3801.45

Wave (A) X Fib. 1.236 = Wave (B) = {1.236 X 3801.45} = 4698.59

Adding 4698.59 to wave (A) low in order to target the end of wave (B):

4698.59 + 2360.01 = 7058.60

A mind-boggling target now. smile

Also, the B wave of a flat should not exceed Fib. 1.382 times the A wave, thus:

1.382 X 3801.45 = 5253.60

Adding this to wave (A) low gives

5253.60 + 2360.01 = 7613.61

We should not expect the rise to exceed 7613.61.

Target 2:

Another way to target the end of the black wave (B) is to consider the relation between waves W and Y. We look for a Fib. 0.618, equality, Fib. 1.618, double wave W or a Fib. 2.618.

Green wave W = {4678.1 - 2360.01} = 2318.09

If wave Y should equal Wave W then:

2318.09 + 3103.04 = 5421.13 In this case 5499, a level beyond 5421, was hit.

We however, expect a much farther wave Y, the next level should be a Fib. 1.618 X wave W:

So 1.618 X 2318.09 = 3750.67

Therefore,

3750.67 + 3103.04 = 6853.71

Summary:

Elliott suggests as per our discussion above that the current fall in the NSE 20 Share Index is temporary. My expectation is for the NSE 20 Share Index to do a spectacular rise above 5499 in the coming weeks.







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mnandii
#616 Posted : Sunday, August 02, 2015 1:22:33 AM
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I'll post on the shorter term later today.
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enyands
#617 Posted : Sunday, August 02, 2015 7:56:01 AM
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mnandii wrote:
I'll post on the shorter term later today.

It boils down to what are the best pick for shares that are down the wave A B or C that will rise exponentially when there is a correction after this temporal situation has corrected itself ,just a general question .

Pesanane hinted britam , KCB and some others .what are yours @mnadii
mnandii
#618 Posted : Sunday, August 02, 2015 4:26:37 PM
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Continuing from post 615 above.



This chart is similar to the long term one in post 615 but it is from www.investing.com. My aim here is to show the sub-divisions within blue wave [a]. The fall from 5499.64 is therefore blue wave ...[..b] and is analysed below.



This is the best interpretation I have for the fall from 5499.64 high and part of the reason I am skeptical that the fall is a full-blown bear. The pattern is distinctly a zigzag pattern (5-3-5).

Now, while it is possible that the move (5499.64 to 4404.72), our zigzag, may be the first leg of a leading diagonal (3-3-3-3-3), the sharpness of the fall signifies otherwise. I am therefore convinced the fall is a zigzag wave ..[..b] and should eventually be fully retraced. Please note that zigzags can be single, double or triple.

The beauty with Elliott is that it is evidence-based. Thus, if price patterns would suggest a different scenario other than the rise to the 7000 mark be assured that I will be the first to jump onto that count. Sad For now though I will be looking for a small 5 wave move to slightly above 4906.07 to satisfy that this bullish scenario is indeed the case.

A little math:

Red wave (a) = {5499.64 - 4404.72} = 1094.92

We expect a Fibonacci relation between waves (a) and (c) of the zigzag.

1). If wave (c) is 0.618 X Wave (a) then our target for wave (c) becomes:

0.618 X 1094.92 = 676.66

Subtracting 676.66 from wave (b) high gives:

4906.07 - 676.66 = 4229.41 NB: This has been surpassed.

2). If wave (c) equals wave (a) then:

4906.07 - 1094.92 = 3811.15 NB: Quite likely.

3)If wave (c) is the next Fibonacci target of 1.618 X Wave (a) then:

1.618 X 1094.92 = 1771.58

The target in this case becomes:

4906.07 - 1771.58 = 3134.49 NB: Quite unlikely.

Summary:

I expect NSE 20 share Index to fall to about 3811 points then start a strong move up toward 4907s level.

Nice trading.

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mnandii
#619 Posted : Sunday, August 02, 2015 4:34:46 PM
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enyands wrote:
mnandii wrote:
I'll post on the shorter term later today.

It boils down to what are the best pick for shares that are down the wave A B or C that will rise exponentially when there is a correction after this temporal situation has corrected itself ,just a general question .

Pesanane hinted britam , KCB and some others .what are yours @mnadii


The NSE 20 Share Index is an index of about 20 stocks. Individual stocks may perform better or worse than the NSE. To trade a stock I would want to analyse its Elliott Wave pattern which I don't do presently. I was really looking forward to the market for derivatives but as always the powers that be are all talk and little action. The derivatives market would be nice to play because of the instantaneous settlement.
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#620 Posted : Sunday, August 02, 2015 4:40:46 PM
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