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Elliott Wave Analysis Of The NSE 20
Ericsson
#2261 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2016 6:58:24 PM
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@hisah
3,000 mark barrier will be broken.
If not in December then in January.
Right now pension schemes and insurance companies are trying to prop up the equity prices to minimise losses but it's hard
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
VituVingiSana
#2262 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2016 11:43:10 PM
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hisah wrote:
3084.48 yesterday
3084.16 today

Clutching at straws here...

PPT trying hard to ensure the index doesn't break below the 3000 mark.

Since the index is not traded, why would anyone want to prop up the index [vs an individual stock]
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
snipermnoma
#2263 Posted : Wednesday, December 21, 2016 11:03:06 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
hisah wrote:
3084.48 yesterday
3084.16 today

Clutching at straws here...

PPT trying hard to ensure the index doesn't break below the 3000 mark.

Since the index is not traded, why would anyone want to prop up the index [vs an individual stock]


PPT held 4000 in Dec 2015, on the very last day. This year holding 3000 will be the aim. Will it be held?
iris
#2264 Posted : Wednesday, December 21, 2016 11:03:08 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
hisah wrote:
3084.48 yesterday
3084.16 today

Clutching at straws here...

PPT trying hard to ensure the index doesn't break below the 3000 mark.

Since the index is not traded, why would anyone want to prop up the index [vs an individual stock]


Not anyone individual but gava would be interested to keep it respectable and the economy to be seen to be doing well. I also found it suspicious that one day Safaricom had very many sellers and the next day, very many buyers. The PPT know which stocks to prop..
hisah
#2265 Posted : Wednesday, December 21, 2016 12:24:20 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
hisah wrote:
3084.48 yesterday
3084.16 today

Clutching at straws here...

PPT trying hard to ensure the index doesn't break below the 3000 mark.

Since the index is not traded, why would anyone want to prop up the index [vs an individual stock]

You prop the heavyweights of the target index.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
lochaz-index
#2266 Posted : Wednesday, December 21, 2016 5:52:32 PM
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NSE20 closed at 3074.43 today. 4 points shy of the 2011 low. It seems this minuscule loss pattern is going to be the norm for a while until PPT tires itself out.
The main purpose of the stock market is to make fools of as many people as possible.
Aguytrying
#2267 Posted : Thursday, December 22, 2016 5:08:47 PM
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lochaz-index wrote:
NSE20 closed at 3074.43 today. 4 points shy of the 2011 low. It seems this minuscule loss pattern is going to be the norm for a while until PPT tires itself out.


It's been a slow grind, but eventually sub 3100 points has printed. The economy is not doing well. Elections around the corner. Alot of negative mood all round
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
sparkly
#2268 Posted : Thursday, December 22, 2016 5:24:12 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
lochaz-index wrote:
NSE20 closed at 3074.43 today. 4 points shy of the 2011 low. It seems this minuscule loss pattern is going to be the norm for a while until PPT tires itself out.


It's been a slow grind, but eventually sub 3100 points has printed. The economy is not doing well. Elections around the corner. Alot of negative mood all round


Being propped by Safcom, BAT and EABL.
Life is short. Live passionately.
Cornelius Vanderbilt
#2269 Posted : Friday, December 23, 2016 9:31:44 AM
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sparkly wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
lochaz-index wrote:
NSE20 closed at 3074.43 today. 4 points shy of the 2011 low. It seems this minuscule loss pattern is going to be the norm for a while until PPT tires itself out.


It's been a slow grind, but eventually sub 3100 points has printed. The economy is not doing well. Elections around the corner. Alot of negative mood all round


Being propped by Safcom, BAT and EABL.


we have the fakest bulls in this market.just when a recovery has started the bulls lost it.nkt.
littledove
#2270 Posted : Friday, December 23, 2016 10:24:15 AM
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Metasploit wrote:
December DISCOUNTS

it seems this year december discounts are not very fat.
There are only two emotions in the stock market, fear and hope. The problem is, you hope when you should fear and fear when you should hope
sparkly
#2271 Posted : Sunday, December 25, 2016 8:40:13 AM
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Smart Money preparing to raid Africa for discounts. Expect some of the money to come to NSE.


https://www.bloomberg.co...for-investing-in-africa


Fairfax Financial Holdings Ltd., the Canadian insurer that made its largest acquisition this week, is selling shares in an initial public offering for a fund that will make investments in Africa. The company is seeking to raise as much as $1 billion from the sale, people familiar with the matter said.


Life is short. Live passionately.
Cornelius Vanderbilt
#2272 Posted : Monday, December 26, 2016 3:31:23 PM
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Anybody know the ALL TIME LOW of the 20 share index?
snipermnoma
#2273 Posted : Wednesday, January 04, 2017 6:42:56 PM
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Cornelius Vanderbilt wrote:
Anybody know the ALL TIME LOW of the 20 share index?


Not sure what the all time low is. What I can confirm is that 1966 = 100. I do not know if it dipped below that 100 level. The most recent lows I know of are: just over 1000 in Sep 2002.
Then around 2570 in Mar 2009.
Then around 3070 in Dec 2011.
Then around 3070 in Dec 2016.
Hope it helps.
snipermnoma
#2274 Posted : Wednesday, January 04, 2017 6:47:24 PM
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snipermnoma wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
hisah wrote:
3084.48 yesterday
3084.16 today

Clutching at straws here...

PPT trying hard to ensure the index doesn't break below the 3000 mark.

Since the index is not traded, why would anyone want to prop up the index [vs an individual stock]


PPT held 4000 in Dec 2015, on the very last day. This year holding 3000 will be the aim. Will it be held?


3000 held for 2016. Now we go through the slog that is January. Expect lots of sideways action.
hisah
#2275 Posted : Thursday, January 05, 2017 1:46:44 PM
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snipermnoma wrote:
snipermnoma wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
hisah wrote:
3084.48 yesterday
3084.16 today

Clutching at straws here...

PPT trying hard to ensure the index doesn't break below the 3000 mark.

Since the index is not traded, why would anyone want to prop up the index [vs an individual stock]


PPT held 4000 in Dec 2015, on the very last day. This year holding 3000 will be the aim. Will it be held?


3000 held for 2016. Now we go through the slog that is January. Expect lots of sideways action.

It was crucial for the NSE20 to hold above that psychological support level if the index is to test 3300 and 3500. The index has shed more than 2300 points since topping out at 5499. Reference point this year is 3079 the low for 2016. If the index closes below that level by year end that will be 3 years in a row for the bears d'oh!

If the index chalks up 3 years of losses then the ensuing rebound will be a crazy bull run!

Curveballs for any bullish attempt are

1. USDKES breaking above 107: This will mess up the current account deficit and balloon the foreign debt payments
2. Oil breaking above $60 and sustaining till year end with a weak KES
3. Inflation spike due to high oil prices and weak KES
4. Any messy election affair is an outlier that needs keen observation

Caution while buying the fat tails.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
mlennyma
#2276 Posted : Thursday, January 05, 2017 2:20:50 PM
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hisah wrote:
snipermnoma wrote:
snipermnoma wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
hisah wrote:
3084.48 yesterday
3084.16 today

Clutching at straws here...

PPT trying hard to ensure the index doesn't break below the 3000 mark.

Since the index is not traded, why would anyone want to prop up the index [vs an individual stock]


PPT held 4000 in Dec 2015, on the very last day. This year holding 3000 will be the aim. Will it be held?


3000 held for 2016. Now we go through the slog that is January. Expect lots of sideways action.

It was crucial for the NSE20 to hold above that psychological support level if the index is to test 3300 and 3500. The index has shed more than 2300 points since topping out at 5499. Reference point this year is 3079 the low for 2016. If the index closes below that level by year end that will be 3 years in a row for the bears d'oh!

If the index chalks up 3 years of losses then the ensuing rebound will be a crazy bull run!

Curveballs for any bullish attempt are

1. USDKES breaking above 107: This will mess up the current account deficit and balloon the foreign debt payments
2. Oil breaking above $60 and sustaining till year end with a weak KES
3. Inflation spike due to high oil prices and weak KES
4. Any messy election affair is an outlier that needs keen observation

Caution while buying the fat tails.

the bull's earliest return could be 2018
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
lochaz-index
#2277 Posted : Thursday, January 05, 2017 7:03:03 PM
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The confluence of negative factors for KE kicking in to the new year is quite remarkable to say the least. It looks like a replay of 2011 but several octane levels higher:

1. KES held its ground in 2016 vs the USD but has started 2017 on reverse gear. Once we exhaust the reserves and the IMF loan what next? A third IMF loan? Dollar shortage? A continuous depreciation will trigger a run on KES or worse still force a devaluation (outside chance). My base case scenario is 120 to the $ before the year is out. Our debt position is precarious especially if it blows past the 70% mark vs the GDP and debt service is above 50% of revenue on the back of recessionary economic conditions. KES weakness and dollar strength equals imported inflation.

2. Food inflation is picking up and if the weather guys got it right this time - extended drought - then this will push overall inflation into double digits.

3. More thermal energy is being used up in the grid thanks to low hydro levels driving up the fixed electricity charges. If KES weakness persists, pass through fx elec. costs will increase...two elec. cost items increasing means more price burden is passed to the consumer feeding the inflation monster once again.

4. Interbank rate spiked in Xmas week and has remained at those elevated levels to date. Bank distress? If it crosses the 10% then it would signal a liquidity shortage. The interbank rate tends to lead the 91 day Tbill rate trend wise. Assuming the same correlation then GOK will have a nasty funding headache. 91 day Tbill bottomed out in sync with the international markets back in June/July of 2016. KE cannot fight the global trend. Expensive cost of funds is a wrecking ball if GOK is forced to square it out with the banks in a survival match.

5. KES down, tbill/bond up necessitates hiking the CBR regardless of a recessionary threat. With credit growth back to GFC/post PEV levels and a wobbly economy to boot, I am not sure KE has much wiggle room on this front. In illiquidity, asset values/prices will tank heavily - NSE and real estate.

6. Oil is still inching up to $60. Which is the lesser evil as far as KE is concerned; strong USD or high oil prices? I think it is the latter but the former will prevail.

7. KE still has a budget to fund and judging by CBK's actions to reject funds on the basis of high bids implies domestic borrowing will do the heavy lifting for the remainder of the current financial year and the one that follows. CBK even cancelled an auction last week - no reasons given. Private sector crowded out.

8.Elections...contrary to popular opinion this one does not worry me much. My hunch is that by the time the elections come around, the aforementioned factors will have already caused too much havoc for electioneering to have much of an impact. Could make things worse if PEV erupts but I highly doubt it will be a game changer. The first order of business for the next govt will be damage assessment followed by damage mitigation.

NSE20 has held onto the 3,000 mark to close out 2016 but that could be challenged as soon as next week. Even assuming the best case scenario where inflation is contained and we steady the ship in 2017 I still don't see how 3000 will be defended.

If the above issues get out of hand, there is no telling the extent of the ensuing repercussions for both the economy and the NSE. More so since all the above situations have assumed limited or no external factors will come into play and there are plenty of those.

A KE recession is a distinct possibility in Q3/4 or early 2018 especially if real estate takes a huge knock or a severe bank/GOK funding crisis develops.

Sub 2000 still remains my working theory. However, the harder NSE20 falls the stronger the bull when it's all over - possibly late 2018 or early 2019. Discounts abound, load up stealthily.
The main purpose of the stock market is to make fools of as many people as possible.
heri
#2278 Posted : Thursday, January 05, 2017 8:10:00 PM
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lochaz-index wrote:
The confluence of negative factors for KE kicking in to the new year is quite remarkable to say the least. It looks like a replay of 2011 but several octane levels higher:

1. KES held its ground in 2016 vs the USD but has started 2017 on reverse gear. Once we exhaust the reserves and the IMF loan what next? A third IMF loan? Dollar shortage? A continuous depreciation will trigger a run on KES or worse still force a devaluation (outside chance). My base case scenario is 120 to the $ before the year is out. Our debt position is precarious especially if it blows past the 70% mark vs the GDP and debt service is above 50% of revenue on the back of recessionary economic conditions. KES weakness and dollar strength equals imported inflation.

2. Food inflation is picking up and if the weather guys got it right this time - extended drought - then this will push overall inflation into double digits.

3. More thermal energy is being used up in the grid thanks to low hydro levels driving up the fixed electricity charges. If KES weakness persists, pass through fx elec. costs will increase...two elec. cost items increasing means more price burden is passed to the consumer feeding the inflation monster once again.

4. Interbank rate spiked in Xmas week and has remained at those elevated levels to date. Bank distress? If it crosses the 10% then it would signal a liquidity shortage. The interbank rate tends to lead the 91 day Tbill rate trend wise. Assuming the same correlation then GOK will have a nasty funding headache. 91 day Tbill bottomed out in sync with the international markets back in June/July of 2016. KE cannot fight the global trend. Expensive cost of funds is a wrecking ball if GOK is forced to square it out with the banks in a survival match.

5. KES down, tbill/bond up necessitates hiking the CBR regardless of a recessionary threat. With credit growth back to GFC/post PEV levels and a wobbly economy to boot, I am not sure KE has much wiggle room on this front. In illiquidity, asset values/prices will tank heavily - NSE and real estate.

6. Oil is still inching up to $60. Which is the lesser evil as far as KE is concerned; strong USD or high oil prices? I think it is the latter but the former will prevail.

7. KE still has a budget to fund and judging by CBK's actions to reject funds on the basis of high bids implies domestic borrowing will do the heavy lifting for the remainder of the current financial year and the one that follows. CBK even cancelled an auction last week - no reasons given. Private sector crowded out.

8.Elections...contrary to popular opinion this one does not worry me much. My hunch is that by the time the elections come around, the aforementioned factors will have already caused too much havoc for electioneering to have much of an impact. Could make things worse if PEV erupts but I highly doubt it will be a game changer. The first order of business for the next govt will be damage assessment followed by damage mitigation.

NSE20 has held onto the 3,000 mark to close out 2016 but that could be challenged as soon as next week. Even assuming the best case scenario where inflation is contained and we steady the ship in 2017 I still don't see how 3000 will be defended.

If the above issues get out of hand, there is no telling the extent of the ensuing repercussions for both the economy and the NSE. More so since all the above situations have assumed limited or no external factors will come into play and there are plenty of those.

A KE recession is a distinct possibility in Q3/4 or early 2018 especially if real estate takes a huge knock or a severe bank/GOK funding crisis develops.

Sub 2000 still remains my working theory. However, the harder NSE20 falls the stronger the bull when it's all over - possibly late 2018 or early 2019. Discounts abound, load up stealthily.


Nice analysis. Nothing seems to be in favour of KE aka nyamaland
muandiwambeu
#2279 Posted : Thursday, January 05, 2017 8:49:00 PM
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heri wrote:
lochaz-index wrote:
The confluence of negative factors for KE kicking in to the new year is quite remarkable to say the least. It looks like a replay of 2011 but several octane levels higher:

1. KES held its ground in 2016 vs the USD but has started 2017 on reverse gear. Once we exhaust the reserves and the IMF loan what next? A third IMF loan? Dollar shortage? A continuous depreciation will trigger a run on KES or worse still force a devaluation (outside chance). My base case scenario is 120 to the $ before the year is out. Our debt position is precarious especially if it blows past the 70% mark vs the GDP and debt service is above 50% of revenue on the back of recessionary economic conditions. KES weakness and dollar strength equals imported inflation.

2. Food inflation is picking up and if the weather guys got it right this time - extended drought - then this will push overall inflation into double digits.

3. More thermal energy is being used up in the grid thanks to low hydro levels driving up the fixed electricity charges. If KES weakness persists, pass through fx elec. costs will increase...two elec. cost items increasing means more price burden is passed to the consumer feeding the inflation monster once again.

4. Interbank rate spiked in Xmas week and has remained at those elevated levels to date. Bank distress? If it crosses the 10% then it would signal a liquidity shortage. The interbank rate tends to lead the 91 day Tbill rate trend wise. Assuming the same correlation then GOK will have a nasty funding headache. 91 day Tbill bottomed out in sync with the international markets back in June/July of 2016. KE cannot fight the global trend. Expensive cost of funds is a wrecking ball if GOK is forced to square it out with the banks in a survival match.

5. KES down, tbill/bond up necessitates hiking the CBR regardless of a recessionary threat. With credit growth back to GFC/post PEV levels and a wobbly economy to boot, I am not sure KE has much wiggle room on this front. In illiquidity, asset values/prices will tank heavily - NSE and real estate.

6. Oil is still inching up to $60. Which is the lesser evil as far as KE is concerned; strong USD or high oil prices? I think it is the latter but the former will prevail.

7. KE still has a budget to fund and judging by CBK's actions to reject funds on the basis of high bids implies domestic borrowing will do the heavy lifting for the remainder of the current financial year and the one that follows. CBK even cancelled an auction last week - no reasons given. Private sector crowded out.

8.Elections...contrary to popular opinion this one does not worry me much. My hunch is that by the time the elections come around, the aforementioned factors will have already caused too much havoc for electioneering to have much of an impact. Could make things worse if PEV erupts but I highly doubt it will be a game changer. The first order of business for the next govt will be damage assessment followed by damage mitigation.

NSE20 has held onto the 3,000 mark to close out 2016 but that could be challenged as soon as next week. Even assuming the best case scenario where inflation is contained and we steady the ship in 2017 I still don't see how 3000 will be defended.

If the above issues get out of hand, there is no telling the extent of the ensuing repercussions for both the economy and the NSE. More so since all the above situations have assumed limited or no external factors will come into play and there are plenty of those.

A KE recession is a distinct possibility in Q3/4 or early 2018 especially if real estate takes a huge knock or a severe bank/GOK funding crisis develops.

Sub 2000 still remains my working theory. However, the harder NSE20 falls the stronger the bull when it's all over - possibly late 2018 or early 2019. Discounts abound, load up stealthily.


Nice analysis. Nothing seems to be in favour of KE aka nyamaland

Choosing between petro and dollar horrors is choosing a recepie from best of horror movies. Petrol price hikes fans inflation like a rdx fueled rocket, stronger dollar is barbaric with multi sectoral ramifications.
But, when you thought of choosing in between the two, you have both. Definitely, this is nothing of the ordinary horror movie script but real balkanization.
This play scene zooms past 2017 horizon easily on many PA metrics. Only hope is financials to take a breather, otherwise sub 3000 shall be definite, and this time round in a bad way and for sometime to settle the dust.
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
muandiwambeu
#2280 Posted : Thursday, January 05, 2017 8:57:16 PM
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heri wrote:
lochaz-index wrote:
The confluence of negative factors for KE kicking in to the new year is quite remarkable to say the least. It looks like a replay of 2011 but several octane levels higher:

1. KES held its ground in 2016 vs the USD but has started 2017 on reverse gear. Once we exhaust the reserves and the IMF loan what next? A third IMF loan? Dollar shortage? A continuous depreciation will trigger a run on KES or worse still force a devaluation (outside chance). My base case scenario is 120 to the $ before the year is out. Our debt position is precarious especially if it blows past the 70% mark vs the GDP and debt service is above 50% of revenue on the back of recessionary economic conditions. KES weakness and dollar strength equals imported inflation.

2. Food inflation is picking up and if the weather guys got it right this time - extended drought - then this will push overall inflation into double digits.

3. More thermal energy is being used up in the grid thanks to low hydro levels driving up the fixed electricity charges. If KES weakness persists, pass through fx elec. costs will increase...two elec. cost items increasing means more price burden is passed to the consumer feeding the inflation monster once again.

4. Interbank rate spiked in Xmas week and has remained at those elevated levels to date. Bank distress? If it crosses the 10% then it would signal a liquidity shortage. The interbank rate tends to lead the 91 day Tbill rate trend wise. Assuming the same correlation then GOK will have a nasty funding headache. 91 day Tbill bottomed out in sync with the international markets back in June/July of 2016. KE cannot fight the global trend. Expensive cost of funds is a wrecking ball if GOK is forced to square it out with the banks in a survival match.

5. KES down, tbill/bond up necessitates hiking the CBR regardless of a recessionary threat. With credit growth back to GFC/post PEV levels and a wobbly economy to boot, I am not sure KE has much wiggle room on this front. In illiquidity, asset values/prices will tank heavily - NSE and real estate.

6. Oil is still inching up to $60. Which is the lesser evil as far as KE is concerned; strong USD or high oil prices? I think it is the latter but the former will prevail.

7. KE still has a budget to fund and judging by CBK's actions to reject funds on the basis of high bids implies domestic borrowing will do the heavy lifting for the remainder of the current financial year and the one that follows. CBK even cancelled an auction last week - no reasons given. Private sector crowded out.

8.Elections...contrary to popular opinion this one does not worry me much. My hunch is that by the time the elections come around, the aforementioned factors will have already caused too much havoc for electioneering to have much of an impact. Could make things worse if PEV erupts but I highly doubt it will be a game changer. The first order of business for the next govt will be damage assessment followed by damage mitigation.

NSE20 has held onto the 3,000 mark to close out 2016 but that could be challenged as soon as next week. Even assuming the best case scenario where inflation is contained and we steady the ship in 2017 I still don't see how 3000 will be defended.

If the above issues get out of hand, there is no telling the extent of the ensuing repercussions for both the economy and the NSE. More so since all the above situations have assumed limited or no external factors will come into play and there are plenty of those.

A KE recession is a distinct possibility in Q3/4 or early 2018 especially if real estate takes a huge knock or a severe bank/GOK funding crisis develops.

Sub 2000 still remains my working theory. However, the harder NSE20 falls the stronger the bull when it's all over - possibly late 2018 or early 2019. Discounts abound, load up stealthily.


Nice analysis. Nothing seems to be in favour of KE aka nyamaland

Choosing between petro and dollar horrors is choosing a recepie from best of horror movies. Petrol price hikes fans inflation like a rdx fueled rocket, stronger dollar is barbaric with multi sectoral ramifications.
But, when you thought of choosing in between the two, you have both. Definitely, this is nothing of the ordinary horror movie script but real balkanization.
This play scene zooms past 2017 horizon easily on many PA metrics. In meanwhile, the only hope is financials to take a breather, otherwise sub 3000 shall be definite, and this time round in a bad way and it will take a well before dust settles.
But to the contrary, I'm eager to hear of any latent positive non defensive indicators if they really are.
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
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